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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-04 21:26:13
January 04 2016 21:22 GMT
#54241
I think the discrepancy in punishment is just very big. People usually don't serve a lot of prison time for white collar crime. Prison in Germany isn't primarily thought of as a form of punishment but rather a place where you lock genuinely dangerous people up.

The most recent famous case would be Uli Hoeneß who avoided about 30 million bucks in taxes. He currently serves 3 years in an 'open prison'.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
January 04 2016 21:28 GMT
#54242
On January 05 2016 06:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Does Germany also have a poor history of convicting CEOs? This seems to be a big hit to their national pride, so I would somewhat expect them to redeem themselves by throwing a few people in prison.

Did they break any German laws for Germany to convict them with?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 04 2016 21:39 GMT
#54243
See, this is the type of situation where Donald Trump would come in handy as president. He'd demand that Germany turn over the executives or face closure of the US auto market to VW/Audi imports. Time to get on board the Trump train, liberals.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
January 04 2016 21:41 GMT
#54244
On January 05 2016 06:28 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 06:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Does Germany also have a poor history of convicting CEOs? This seems to be a big hit to their national pride, so I would somewhat expect them to redeem themselves by throwing a few people in prison.

Did they break any German laws for Germany to convict them with?


The "defeat device" or whatever you want to call it was installed in german cars (partially) as well. So yes, they broke german law as well.
On track to MA1950A.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43533 Posts
January 04 2016 21:47 GMT
#54245
On January 05 2016 06:39 xDaunt wrote:
See, this is the type of situation where Donald Trump would come in handy as president. He'd demand that Germany turn over the executives or face closure of the US auto market to VW/Audi imports. Time to get on board the Trump train, liberals.

And then have a White House lawyer take him to one side and say "listen, Donald, you really need to run these ideas past us before you say them on live television", And that, kids, is how the trade war between the EU and the United States began.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-04 21:50:18
January 04 2016 21:49 GMT
#54246
And then we realize cutting off trade with the 4th largest economy in the world was a completely awful idea and suddenly we're in a recession again
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-04 21:54:41
January 04 2016 21:53 GMT
#54247
On January 05 2016 06:49 ticklishmusic wrote:
And then we realize cutting off trade with the 4th largest economy in the world was a completely awful idea and suddenly we're in a recession again


Not a problem, the mexicans gonna pay the wall. That's the important bit.

edit: and i doubt that trump would be happy with the fact that imports from china/russia would increase quite considerably.
On track to MA1950A.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 04 2016 21:59 GMT
#54248
On January 05 2016 05:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'm just thinking if this had been Toyota or another Japanese car manufacturer we would have seen their CEO commit seppuku.

Haha you're so funny!
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
January 04 2016 21:59 GMT
#54249
On January 05 2016 06:49 ticklishmusic wrote:
And then we realize cutting off trade with the 4th largest economy in the world was a completely awful idea and suddenly we're in a recession again


"The Germans are weak people. We destroyed the nazis in ww2 because we were a great nation. Now that we are great again, we will prosecute their CEOs and impose a tariff on their cars. They will pay up because we are great."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43533 Posts
January 04 2016 22:03 GMT
#54250
On January 05 2016 06:49 ticklishmusic wrote:
And then we realize cutting off trade with the 4th largest economy in the world was a completely awful idea and suddenly we're in a recession again

1st largest. For the purpose of imports and exports Germany does not exist, only the EU.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 04 2016 22:16 GMT
#54251
Re: the Oregon standoff

Oregon 'terrorists' don't plan siege very well, put out plea for snacks and supplies
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
January 04 2016 22:29 GMT
#54252
US should send drones against the VW bosses imo tbh
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 04 2016 22:36 GMT
#54253
On January 05 2016 07:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
Re: the Oregon standoff

Oregon 'terrorists' don't plan siege very well, put out plea for snacks and supplies

Did we really thing these guys were criminal, militia master minds? I've dealt with these sovereign citizen, free stater, wanna-be libertarian types for years. They are not the sharpest tools in the shed, which is why they get into so much trouble to begin with.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JumboJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
537 Posts
January 04 2016 23:46 GMT
#54254
I said it when it started they should just turn off their water.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 04 2016 23:47 GMT
#54255
President Obama is announcing a series of executive actions designed to combat gun violence, including a regulatory change designed to make it harder for gun buyers to avoid background checks. Obama plans to detail the moves on Tuesday with a statement in the White House East Room.

"It will potentially save lives in this country and spare families the pain and the extraordinary loss that they've suffered as a consequence of a firearm being in the hands of the wrong people," Obama said Monday, after meeting privately to discuss the measures with the attorney general, the FBI director, and the head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF).

ATF will play a central role in the administration's move, by clarifying what it means to be "engaged in the business" of selling guns. Until now, some collectors and hobbyists have been able to avoid that designation. As a result, they haven't needed a federal license to sell and they haven't been required to conduct background checks on their customers. The new guidance from that Bureau is designed to require more such sellers to conduct background checks, even if they're doing business only at gun shows or online.

"Let me be clear: it is not where you are located but what you are doing" that determines who must conduct background checks, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said in a conference call with reporters.

The administration is also working to improve the quality of background checks by encouraging states and government agencies to share more information about criminal histories, domestic violence, and mental illness that could disqualify a person from buying a gun. And the FBI is hiring 230 additional staff people to speed the processing of background checks. Under current law, a gun sale can go forward if a background check is not completed within three days.

The White House conceded its moves are not a substitute for congressional action. Obama was stymied in his effort to promote gun-control legislation three years ago in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.


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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 04 2016 23:58 GMT
#54256
On January 05 2016 06:59 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 06:49 ticklishmusic wrote:
And then we realize cutting off trade with the 4th largest economy in the world was a completely awful idea and suddenly we're in a recession again


"The Germans are weak people. We destroyed the nazis in ww2 because we were a great nation. Now that we are great again, we will prosecute their CEOs and impose a tariff on their cars. They will pay up because we are great."


The average Republican voter would eat that up too. I used to be a lot more optimistic about the American electorate, but it's clear that a lot of American voters are uninformed, and voting based on bigotry and fear, and these negative elements are really coming out in this election cycle.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23608 Posts
January 05 2016 00:15 GMT
#54257
On January 05 2016 07:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
Re: the Oregon standoff

Oregon 'terrorists' don't plan siege very well, put out plea for snacks and supplies



No wonder they called them potheads lol.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
January 05 2016 00:20 GMT
#54258
Having supplies/a supply line is one of the most basic necessities of warfare/armed resistance. So, they want people to mail them supplies...which means using a government service. Use your own two feet, lazy bastards.
I post only when my brain works.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-05 00:22:37
January 05 2016 00:22 GMT
#54259
"The government is evil!!"

-some guy in a godforsaken region where every single part of the infrastructure is sponsored by the government
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 05 2016 00:27 GMT
#54260
That and since they'r asking for supplies to be sent to to them to a address a Government entity would have to deliver to them. Most notably the Postal Service.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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