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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 04 2016 15:55 GMT
#54221
On January 05 2016 00:16 zeo wrote:
Donald Trumps first tv ad: http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/great-again-tv-spot


Make America Afraid again? Good lord, so much fear mongering and chest beating.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6344 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-04 16:12:27
January 04 2016 16:00 GMT
#54222
On January 05 2016 00:55 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 00:16 zeo wrote:
Donald Trumps first tv ad: http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/great-again-tv-spot


Make America Afraid again? Good lord, so much fear mongering and chest beating.

Eh, most political ads these days are fear mongering.

-If xy comes to power z will happen. Vote for me!
-Xy did yz thing 10 years ago. A vote for them is a vote for the apocalypse.
ect.

edit: Tbh US politics since 2001 has been one long fear mongering and domestic fear mongering is out of control under Obama:

-Guns will be the end of us!
-Abortion will be the end of us!
-Gay people are on the verge of extinction in America because of oppression!
-Offensive flags will be the end of us!
-Illegals will be the end of us!
-Putin ate my baby!
-The Chinese ate my baby!
-White people are going to be the end of us!
-Black people are going to be the end of us!
-XYZ group is being oppressed, burn down everything!

I don't remember people being this angry (about internal US problems/at everything) under Bush, maybe its the fault of the recession or social media or something.
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 04 2016 16:15 GMT
#54223
The armed occupation in Oregon is taking place on Sacred Native America Land and the Federal Government is one of the largest employers in that state. My irony cup overflows.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-04 17:03:23
January 04 2016 16:22 GMT
#54224
On January 05 2016 01:15 Plansix wrote:
The armed occupation in Oregon is taking place on Sacred Native America Land and the Federal Government is one of the largest employers in that state. My irony cup overflows.


This is seen throughout Oregon. A rural community in Oregon recently voted against a property tax to keep the police department open past normal business hours. As a result, calling the police past 5 PM will send you to voice mail. This is county wide. No police between 5 PM and 8 AM. They are sick and tired of taxes and gubment and just want to defend themselves. While we may be a fabulously progressive state in our modernized cities, our rural communities average us out.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 04 2016 17:43 GMT
#54225
lmao that trump ad is like a parody. he'll just drop dead if he runs a campaign on this issue
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
January 04 2016 17:44 GMT
#54226
On January 05 2016 02:43 oneofthem wrote:
lmao that trump ad is like a parody. he'll just drop dead if he runs a campaign on this issue


My thoughts about that ad was "ok hes just straight up trolling now".
Never Knows Best.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 04 2016 17:49 GMT
#54227
On January 05 2016 02:44 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 02:43 oneofthem wrote:
lmao that trump ad is like a parody. he'll just drop dead if he runs a campaign on this issue


My thoughts about that ad was "ok hes just straight up trolling now".


can't stump the trump tho

i'm going to assume he's running a real campaign despite the seeming idiocy until his polls tank or he fails in the caucuses.
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CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
January 04 2016 18:03 GMT
#54228
On January 05 2016 02:49 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 02:44 Slaughter wrote:
On January 05 2016 02:43 oneofthem wrote:
lmao that trump ad is like a parody. he'll just drop dead if he runs a campaign on this issue


My thoughts about that ad was "ok hes just straight up trolling now".


can't stump the trump tho

i'm going to assume he's running a real campaign despite the seeming idiocy until his polls tank or he fails in the caucuses.


He is running a real campaign for high school educated suburban whites with declining employment prospects and insufficient retirement funds. He is throwing any chance he has to the wind with any other demographic.
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
January 04 2016 18:05 GMT
#54229
On January 05 2016 03:03 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 02:49 ticklishmusic wrote:
On January 05 2016 02:44 Slaughter wrote:
On January 05 2016 02:43 oneofthem wrote:
lmao that trump ad is like a parody. he'll just drop dead if he runs a campaign on this issue


My thoughts about that ad was "ok hes just straight up trolling now".


can't stump the trump tho

i'm going to assume he's running a real campaign despite the seeming idiocy until his polls tank or he fails in the caucuses.


He is running a real campaign for high school educated suburban whites with declining employment prospects and insufficient retirement funds. He is throwing any chance he has to the wind with any other demographic.

He could never win a general election anyway so focussing on winning the Primary is the best he can do.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-04 18:25:30
January 04 2016 18:24 GMT
#54230
Followup on this Trump video, he must think his audience is pretty dumb to post a battleship. Anyone in the know knows that (1) an SSGN can deliver far more cruise missiles (~150), (2) the BBs are permanently retired and we aren't building more, and (3) the last time cruise missiles were tried to "cut the head off" of Al Qaeda, Bin Laden got out 30 minutes before the cruise missiles landed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)
"Osama bin Laden jokingly told militants at the al-Jihad merger that only a few camels and chickens had died."
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 04 2016 18:37 GMT
#54231
The founder of the Oath Keepers, a loosely organized anti-government militia group, criticized Ammon Bundy for protesting the arson convictions of a pair of Oregon ranchers shortly before Bundy led the takeover of an empty national wildlife refuge on Saturday.

Stewart Rhodes, president and founder of the Oath Keepers, posted a video statement on the ranchers' situation in which he criticized the son of infamous Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy for taking up the cause of Dwight and Stewart Hammond. Rhodes branded those involved with Ammon Bundy's protest as “potheads.”

“The Oath Keepers will not be involved in an armed stand off that’s being manufactured by potheads who want a fight because this is going to be a bad fight, not a righteous moral high ground fight,” Rhodes said in the video, which was posted Thursday.

On Saturday, Bundy led group of armed militia members who splintered off from a peaceful protest march in support of the Hammonds and occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

A lawyer for the Hammonds has said Bundy doesn’t speak for the father-son duo. Rhodes pointed to that as a reason why Bundy should call off his protest.

“If they don’t want their family in the middle of an armed stand off, I don’t think it’s right for us to go in there and try to force that on them,” Rhodes said. “I think that’s the wrong way to go.”

The Hammonds, who were convicted of arson in 2012, have already served time in jail for setting a fire that spread to federal land. But an appellate judge recently ruled that the two men needed to serve additional time in keeping with the federal mandatory minimum sentence for the crime.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 04 2016 19:39 GMT
#54232
Please tell me they are being labeled potheads purely because they are in Oregon lol.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 04 2016 20:20 GMT
#54233
On January 05 2016 02:43 oneofthem wrote:
lmao that trump ad is like a parody. he'll just drop dead if he runs a campaign on this issue

He's been running on those issues for the entirety of his campaign. I wouldn't expect him to change course any time soon.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 04 2016 20:27 GMT
#54234
On January 05 2016 03:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The founder of the Oath Keepers, a loosely organized anti-government militia group, criticized Ammon Bundy for protesting the arson convictions of a pair of Oregon ranchers shortly before Bundy led the takeover of an empty national wildlife refuge on Saturday.

Stewart Rhodes, president and founder of the Oath Keepers, posted a video statement on the ranchers' situation in which he criticized the son of infamous Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy for taking up the cause of Dwight and Stewart Hammond. Rhodes branded those involved with Ammon Bundy's protest as “potheads.”

“The Oath Keepers will not be involved in an armed stand off that’s being manufactured by potheads who want a fight because this is going to be a bad fight, not a righteous moral high ground fight,” Rhodes said in the video, which was posted Thursday.

On Saturday, Bundy led group of armed militia members who splintered off from a peaceful protest march in support of the Hammonds and occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

A lawyer for the Hammonds has said Bundy doesn’t speak for the father-son duo. Rhodes pointed to that as a reason why Bundy should call off his protest.

“If they don’t want their family in the middle of an armed stand off, I don’t think it’s right for us to go in there and try to force that on them,” Rhodes said. “I think that’s the wrong way to go.”

The Hammonds, who were convicted of arson in 2012, have already served time in jail for setting a fire that spread to federal land. But an appellate judge recently ruled that the two men needed to serve additional time in keeping with the federal mandatory minimum sentence for the crime.


Source

He states the obvious. This is all bad publicity and could buoy gun control legislation. Any militia group standing for land use and against fed overreach must pick their battles extremely sparingly. All the Feds have to do with those guys holed up is avoid a Waco-style disaster.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 04 2016 20:32 GMT
#54235
The US government has sued Volkswagen over allegations that the German company illegally installed special software to cheat emission tests.

The lawsuit filed by the Department of Justice in federal court in Detroit on Monday claims that VW violated the Clean Air Act by installing “defeat devices” in almost 600,000 diesel vehicles in the US.

After being caught by the regulator in September, VW admitted installing the software, which was designed to trick regulators into believing its cars are less polluting than they really are by producing low emissions only when undergoing official tests, in more than 11m vehicles across the world.

The allegations in the lawsuit, brought on behalf of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) carry penalties that could cost Volkswagen more than $30,000 per vehicle, which could total as much as $18bn.

The emissions scandal has already wiped tens of billions of euros off VW’s share price, and analysts have warned that the total cost of the scandal could be as high as €78bn ($84.4bn, £57.4bn), which would be 60% more than the Deepwater Horizon disaster cost BP. VW has so far set aside €6.7bn to cover the cost of the scandal.

John Cruden, assistant attorney general and head of the justice department’s environment and natural resources division, said: “Car manufacturers that fail to properly certify their cars and that defeat emission control systems breach the public trust, endanger public health, and disadvantage competitors.”

Cynthia Giles, assistant administrator for the EPA’s office of enforcement and compliance assurance, said: “With today’s filing, we take an important step to protect public health by seeking to hold Volkswagen accountable for any unlawful air pollution, setting us on a path to resolution.

“So far, recall discussions with the company have not produced an acceptable way forward. These discussions will continue in parallel with the federal court action.”

The civil lawsuit, which is being filed in the eastern district of Michigan before being transferred to California where class action lawsuits against the company are pending, does not preclude prosecutors from bringing criminal charges against VW executives, a justice department official said.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 04 2016 20:40 GMT
#54236
Good. My mother has one of those cars and we have been following the class actions to see which one she needs to jump on to. Hopefully this all resolves in a fast settlement with the government/class action that works its way down to car owners.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-04 20:43:00
January 04 2016 20:42 GMT
#54237
I'm just thinking if this had been Toyota or another Japanese car manufacturer we would have seen their CEO commit seppuku.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 04 2016 20:45 GMT
#54238
I will be super unhappy of people don’t go to jail for this. The cooperate trick of diffusing responsibility until no one can be blamed worked in 2007-2010 and I don’t want it to be a trend. Otherwise, we get one step closer to Robocop.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 04 2016 21:18 GMT
#54239
It'll be hard to jail any of em; iirc, Germany is one of the countries that won't extradite its own citizens (it tries them itself), and most of the people who might be culpable would be there.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 04 2016 21:20 GMT
#54240
Does Germany also have a poor history of convicting CEOs? This seems to be a big hit to their national pride, so I would somewhat expect them to redeem themselves by throwing a few people in prison.
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