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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 17 2015 05:35 GMT
#53441
BLM isn't much more than the NAACP. There are real, systemic problems that they are best positioned to address, but they'd rather go for token Bush-style "mission accomplished" goals rather than try to actually fix things.

As far as tactics go, it kind of parallels what the Republican candidates are suggesting for the Middle East: carpet bomb that shit. It's a lot sexier than negotiating with involved parties to create a coalition and delegate responsibilities and coordinate efforts.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 17 2015 06:18 GMT
#53442
On December 17 2015 14:15 Deathstar wrote:
Everytime I think of BLM I think of those 2 black girls making Bernie look like a castrated weakling in Seattle. BLM lost me then and now I don't care too much for the group so this is all whatever to me. Good luck with their racial progress goals lol.
Well, that was more about laughing at Bernie's personal strength than black lives matter.

By the same token, Trump is the GOP's Black Lives Matter. I mean, talk about racial rhetoric
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 06:28:37
December 17 2015 06:22 GMT
#53443
I still think it's a little weird that again outsiders want to dictate black college students how the discourse is supposed to go. Historically it was "your race matters!". Now that black people are saying "okay. we identify with our race". White people are screaming "race doesn't matter! You know, you're the real racist, you have a college club for black students!"

It's like no matter what minorities do, there's a white guy lurking somewhere being upset about it. Why not for once let an activist movement do what they want without the condescending tone or without trying to lead the discussion.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44307 Posts
December 17 2015 06:31 GMT
#53444
I dunno. If it's a college sanctioned club it has to be inclusive. If they want to spend their time listening to black music and doing whatever the blacks do then that's fine but they have to let whites who want to be blacks do it too.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 07:27:40
December 17 2015 06:35 GMT
#53445
I don't think you can do this in a historical vacuum. Groups that suffer from historical oppression often form a strong identity around their culture. Jewish communities in Europe are often relatively narrow minded and reclusive. That's not because they're Jewish supremacists but because they've created a strong identity because of their history. If black people want to have a "black student" club it's not some vulgar skin color thing.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44307 Posts
December 17 2015 06:37 GMT
#53446
It'll do far more harm than good to have one rule for them and another for others. If it's a university sanctioned club then it abides by the university values and I'd bet anything that inclusivity is one of them.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44307 Posts
December 17 2015 06:45 GMT
#53447
Also we live in the age of social media. The students behind this aren't ever going to be able to hold a public office or run a large business without someone using this. And there is no good way to explain how your racially segregated organisation that you were active in wasn't like that. College would be doing them a favour by shutting it down.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10954 Posts
December 17 2015 08:42 GMT
#53448
campus where black people can "freely express themselves" and "be who they really are without having to conform to white culture". He explained that black people are strained every day by having to not be freely black


I wonder, what are black people doing when no white guys are around?
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
December 17 2015 08:43 GMT
#53449
Well, I've been campaigning for trump as part of my marketing classes. I think that it's a great learning experience to try to work with people and employ stuff i've learned from school in a political field. i find it's really fun to come up with strategies and tactics that will help get trump over with some of the voters.
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 08:54:55
December 17 2015 08:54 GMT
#53450
On December 17 2015 17:42 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
campus where black people can "freely express themselves" and "be who they really are without having to conform to white culture". He explained that black people are strained every day by having to not be freely black


I wonder, what are black people doing when no white guys are around?


not perceiving being perceived as black
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 17 2015 12:31 GMT
#53451
On December 17 2015 17:42 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
campus where black people can "freely express themselves" and "be who they really are without having to conform to white culture". He explained that black people are strained every day by having to not be freely black


I wonder, what are black people doing when no white guys are around?

knickstape
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 17 2015 12:34 GMT
#53452
On December 17 2015 15:45 KwarK wrote:
Also we live in the age of social media. The students behind this aren't ever going to be able to hold a public office or run a large business without someone using this. And there is no good way to explain how your racially segregated organisation that you were active in wasn't like that. College would be doing them a favour by shutting it down.

this is my preferred mechanism but conditional on exposure. if racist frats go underground then it wont work
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
December 17 2015 14:01 GMT
#53453
On December 17 2015 17:43 tshi wrote:
Well, I've been campaigning for trump as part of my marketing classes. I think that it's a great learning experience to try to work with people and employ stuff i've learned from school in a political field. i find it's really fun to come up with strategies and tactics that will help get trump over with some of the voters.


Apparently, to Boobus Americanus, all you have to do is say winning a lot, spout jingoistic drivel, utter entirely meaningless and off-topic platitudes, and throw speculative ad hominems all over the place. I also forgot - don't forget to shred the Bill of Rights. That one is real popular apparently.

Washington addresses the nation in a post-doctoral manner when there were no public education institutions, fast forward to 130 years after Government education, a litany of candidates Trump topping the list, speak to the public in an elementary school manner. It's the slow decay of a nation. How can anyone rationally support Trump? Ugh.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 17 2015 14:10 GMT
#53454
On December 17 2015 23:01 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 17:43 tshi wrote:
Well, I've been campaigning for trump as part of my marketing classes. I think that it's a great learning experience to try to work with people and employ stuff i've learned from school in a political field. i find it's really fun to come up with strategies and tactics that will help get trump over with some of the voters.


Apparently, to Boobus Americanus, all you have to do is say winning a lot, spout jingoistic drivel, utter entirely meaningless and off-topic platitudes, and throw speculative ad hominems all over the place. I also forgot - don't forget to shred the Bill of Rights. That one is real popular apparently.

Washington addresses the nation in a post-doctoral manner when there were no public education institutions, fast forward to 130 years after Government education, a litany of candidates Trump topping the list, speak to the public in an elementary school manner. It's the slow decay of a nation. How can anyone rationally support Trump? Ugh.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/polls-suggest-trump-will-win-between-8-percent-and-64-percent-of-the-vote/

I would read this to restore your faith in humanity a little. The polls at this point in the game are about as accurate as a weather forecast a month in advance.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22608 Posts
December 17 2015 14:12 GMT
#53455
On December 17 2015 23:01 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 17:43 tshi wrote:
Well, I've been campaigning for trump as part of my marketing classes. I think that it's a great learning experience to try to work with people and employ stuff i've learned from school in a political field. i find it's really fun to come up with strategies and tactics that will help get trump over with some of the voters.


Apparently, to Boobus Americanus, all you have to do is say winning a lot, spout jingoistic drivel, utter entirely meaningless and off-topic platitudes, and throw speculative ad hominems all over the place. I also forgot - don't forget to shred the Bill of Rights. That one is real popular apparently.

Washington addresses the nation in a post-doctoral manner when there were no public education institutions, fast forward to 130 years after Government education, a litany of candidates Trump topping the list, speak to the public in an elementary school manner. It's the slow decay of a nation. How can anyone rationally support Trump? Ugh.

Idiocracy was supposed to be a comedy. It has turned into a documentary.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 17 2015 14:17 GMT
#53456
trump trump trump
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
December 17 2015 15:19 GMT
#53457
You look at the Republican field and tell me who is worth supporting besides Trump. If we get someone like Rubio, it will be more of the same (more tax cuts, more deregulation, maybe a war) and besides that things will be uneventful.

If you want the status quo of the past decade to continue, then I guess Rubio (and on the flip side Hillary) is your guy. But Trump will rock the boat so much it will awaken our country to be more politically active going into the future.
rip passion
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22608 Posts
December 17 2015 15:26 GMT
#53458
On December 18 2015 00:19 Deathstar wrote:
You look at the Republican field and tell me who is worth supporting besides Trump. If we get someone like Rubio, it will be more of the same (more tax cuts, more deregulation, maybe a war) and besides that things will be uneventful.

If you want the status quo of the past decade to continue, then I guess Rubio (and on the flip side Hillary) is your guy. But Trump will rock the boat so much it will awaken our country to be more politically active going into the future.

Yeah you know sometimes rocking the boat is not something you wanne do. It sounds fun when your standing on the sideline but is a lot less enjoyable when your on the boat in high seas.

The Presidency is not a joke and if your only choice is between 'more of the same' and 'batshit crazy' its often better to go with more of the same.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 17 2015 15:27 GMT
#53459
That is not a compelling argument to elect someone that I am convinced is less informed, less educated and has less respect for government than George W. Bush. The Republican party doesn’t need rock the boat, they need to start selling the people who vote for them realistic expectations and not voodoo magic.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 15:48:20
December 17 2015 15:38 GMT
#53460
On December 17 2015 15:35 Nyxisto wrote:
I don't think you can do this in a historical vacuum. Groups that suffer from historical oppression often form a strong identity around their culture. Jewish communities in Europe are often relatively narrow minded and reclusive. That's not because they're Jewish supremacists but because they've created a strong identity because of their history. If black people want to have a "black student" club it's not some vulgar skin color thing.


While this is all true, this is becoming a self accelerating issue and is just not making sense. Advocating for the percentage of black professors to be many times the number of black PhD students is a perfect example. They are not being reasonable. They are not making demands based on what makes sense. It is just a horribly misguided attempt to feel some sort of retribution.
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