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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
August 26 2015 04:50 GMT
#44701
Trump will win the nomination.

He can't lose it. Trump losing the nomination will guarantee a Democrat wins in November.

The only way Trump doesn't get the nomination is if he chooses not to take it. Say what one wants about his rhetoric, but his game is tight. He saw a weakness in the Republican party and pounced on it and has the party by the jugular.

Do we have an over-under on how long before this thread turns into a full blown Stormfront lite page?

As long as the whoever is president can demand enough respect from European nations to do business with them then I'm happy with it.


Maybe I'm misreading Europeans, but it seems virtually all of the top tier Republicans would be laughed off the world stage as troglodytes (positions on climate change and evolution being prime reasons)?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-26 07:15:32
August 26 2015 07:11 GMT
#44702
If the Us government was a business, it would have gone bankrupt several times. No politician has ever gone bankrupt because they don't have to do anything but raise money from taxpayers and superpacs then squander it.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
August 26 2015 07:23 GMT
#44703
On August 26 2015 09:34 Danglars wrote:

Apparently comes back and has questions on the construction of the border fence and deportation (just google, RCP had some transcripts.

Ahh Ramos. Never stop anchoring for Univision. Oh and props to Trump, building 94 story buildings ezpz, border easier and less complicated.

Ann Coulter intro'd his Iowa speech.

Keep making headlines Trump. It's driving even ¡Jeb! to cover the issues. It's not the man it's the re-centering of the debate on issues the elites have dismissed (ala everybody knows illegal immigration is a net positive, everyone knows its only racists that are concerned with catch and release illegal alien policies and sanctuary cities).


Ann Coulter 53. She looks like she is using dead fetuses or something to maintain her looks.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6326 Posts
August 26 2015 08:16 GMT
#44704
On August 26 2015 10:21 m4ini wrote:
As a non-american, it's kinda mindboggling to see that so many people are for trump. Does he actually have a shot at the presidency? Realistically?

I don't mean to be rude, but even properly stupid people must see that he actually doesn't really have a concept, but just tries to fish for votes that are easy to get just by being more racist than others. He's an arrogant, ignorant bigot, that can't be a serious contender - for any sane person. European medias make fun of him (and his flip flopping, i think it's called?), why is that not even an issue? Trumps defenders in this thread praise him like a fricking saviour, a person who literally made money by driving his businesses against the wall?

Let's be honest here Europe has it's fair share of populism as well. European media making fun of Trump but not our own politicians is hypocritical at best.

These are the populists in EUrope out of the top of my head:
Jeremy Corbyn at Labour in Britain
Geert Wilders in NL
Front National in France
Podemos in Spain
Syriza before they got elected in Greece and Golden Dawn
AfD in Germany although they collapsed
Danish people's party in Denmark
Finns party in Finland
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10989 Posts
August 26 2015 08:23 GMT
#44705
Yeah, most of them don’t outright deny climate change. But acting against it over other interests is an entirely diffrent story.
The part that alienates/amuses europeans is the rethoric, mainly rightwing, US-Politicians use to actually justify their stances.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2015 11:22 GMT
#44706
EU has its own set of Trumps, but I don't see the same level of furor about them. But the EU has its own racial problems to deal with.

And I love that the only thing people took issue with my shot about his business filing BK several times. All that other stuff I said about him being a bigoted nightmare that is literally fueled by this own ego, denies climate change and is against vaccinating children. That stuff was just true.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46691 Posts
August 26 2015 11:24 GMT
#44707
Here's the Megyn Kelly / Trump timeline so far:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/25/politics/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-tweets/index.html?sr=fb082515trumpkellytirade930AVodtopLink

Regardless of her political beliefs, I feel bad for how much shit Megyn Kelly has gotten from Trump. The particular things he's said about her are completely uncalled for and unprofessional. Hating on a moderator for trying to hold you accountable for your own rhetoric? Hating on someone for being a woman? How is this guy the frontrunner of one of our two political parties?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
August 26 2015 11:37 GMT
#44708
As others have said already the EU has its own trumps and some of them actually say worse things then him.
Trump wants to close the borders and throw out illegals. Wilders wants to throw out everyone from Marocco, even legal immigrant.

I think the difference in perception comes from 2 things.
1) our elections tend to be less of a circus. Campaigns are much shorter and less media heavy so it appears to be less of an issue when compared to the US.
2) Even if a Trump gains power in Europe their actually presence is limited by our democratic model. Lack of majority for a single party means that they are often excluded from governing by other parties if they dont win really big and even if they get into the government their ability to push radical policies is again limited by the need to maintain alliances to keep a majority.

On the flip side America is in an election of some sort almost permanently and the 2 party system + filibusters ect means that once 1 side becomes 'crazy' it can have a profound impact.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
August 26 2015 12:53 GMT
#44709
On August 26 2015 17:16 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 10:21 m4ini wrote:
As a non-american, it's kinda mindboggling to see that so many people are for trump. Does he actually have a shot at the presidency? Realistically?

I don't mean to be rude, but even properly stupid people must see that he actually doesn't really have a concept, but just tries to fish for votes that are easy to get just by being more racist than others. He's an arrogant, ignorant bigot, that can't be a serious contender - for any sane person. European medias make fun of him (and his flip flopping, i think it's called?), why is that not even an issue? Trumps defenders in this thread praise him like a fricking saviour, a person who literally made money by driving his businesses against the wall?

Let's be honest here Europe has it's fair share of populism as well. European media making fun of Trump but not our own politicians is hypocritical at best.

These are the populists in EUrope out of the top of my head:
Jeremy Corbyn at Labour in Britain
Geert Wilders in NL
Front National in France
Podemos in Spain
Syriza before they got elected in Greece and Golden Dawn
AfD in Germany although they collapsed
Danish people's party in Denmark
Finns party in Finland


No, i never said so either. How many of those people had a shot at the US presidency? Apart from the fact that more than half of what you quoted are not persons but parties - we're not talking a party, but a candidate. Geert Wilders gets made fun off pretty much everytime he pops up in some form of media (last time i actually read about him was when he was visiting the german "Pegida", another thing made fun off).

What medias don't do, is make fun of parties. You're right there. They voice concerns, in that regard - for example FN and UKIP (as long as you're not a daily mail reader, then UKIP is the saviour). But they didn't make fun of the democrats/republicans here either, but Trump.

Rightfully so, i might add.
On track to MA1950A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-26 13:04:27
August 26 2015 13:03 GMT
#44710
If you listen to the real experts on the subject, Trump has numerous electability problems. But that isn’t the focus of the media coverage around him. The thing about U.S. politics is that the process of getting nominated for president isn’t regulated nationwide and the only thing you need to do to run is say you are doing it. The parties managed the process and the amount flow of money was more restricted. But now there is unlimited money that can be hidden in any number of ways so the circus gets louder and louder. And Trump figured out he could be louder than all of them and could get unlimited coverage by doing outrageous things.

But also, it isn’t really clear of the majority of Americans are in election mode. A large number of them might just being watching Trump like they watch a car crash. And waiting until they feel it’s time for them to make a decision.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-26 13:09:50
August 26 2015 13:09 GMT
#44711
On August 26 2015 16:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:
If the Us government was a business, it would have gone bankrupt several times. No politician has ever gone bankrupt because they don't have to do anything but raise money from taxpayers and superpacs then squander it.

But it's not a business. Financially, it's very little like a business.

This is like saying if the US government were a basketball team, it would be in last place. #GregPopovichforpresident!
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 26 2015 13:52 GMT
#44712
Ramos acting up is pretty symbolic if you think about it. Ramos didn't wait for his turn to ask a question, just like illegals don't wait for their turn to get citizenship. No respect for order.

That said, to go further, Trump let Ramos back in near the end and let him ask his questions. In the end, Trump is the bigger man and includes Ramos in the conference, despite the initial provocation. Well done.
rip passion
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2015 13:59 GMT
#44713
The best part is that you think Trump would called on him.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-26 15:57:50
August 26 2015 14:49 GMT
#44714
On August 26 2015 22:52 Deathstar wrote:
Ramos acting up is pretty symbolic if you think about it. Ramos didn't wait for his turn to ask a question, just like illegals don't wait for their turn to get citizenship. No respect for order.

That said, to go further, Trump let Ramos back in near the end and let him ask his questions. In the end, Trump is the bigger man and includes Ramos in the conference, despite the initial provocation. Well done.

Trumps getting a headstart by deporting mexican reporters. Speaking of reporters, 2 cbs journalists were shot dead on live tv in Virgina today.
http://news.yahoo.com/cbs-journalists-shot-killed-live-broadcast-130723506.html

A pair of television journalists at a CBS affiliate in Virginia were shot and killed during a live broadcast Wednesday morning, and authorities say they are in pursuit of the suspected shooter.

Authorities said they are looking for Vester Flanagan, a 41-year-old former WDBJ-TV reporter who went by the name Bryce Williams on air.

The victims, WDBJ-TV reporter Alison Parker, 24, and Adam Ward, her 27-year-old cameraman, died shortly after the shooting, which occurred at approximately 6:45 a.m. at Bridgewater Plaza in Moneta, Va., near Smith Mountain Lake.

Part of the shooting was captured on the air as Parker was interviewing Vicky Gardner, the head of the Smith Mountain Lake Chamber of Commerce. According to the Roanoke Times, Gardner was shot in the back and taken to a hospital for surgery. Gardner's condition was not immediately clear.

A chilling, 25-second video posted to a Twitter account appearing to belong to Williams shows what appears to be the shooter holding a gun behind Parker and Ward during their live shot, then firing three shots as Parker tries to flee.

"I filmed the shooting," Williams tweeted after alleging Parker had made "racist comments" about him.

The Twitter account has since been suspended.

I'm not sure that will be great for tourism.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
August 26 2015 15:54 GMT
#44715
Take that video down dude.
dude bro.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
August 26 2015 15:56 GMT
#44716
I'm not sure snarky comments about tourism is appreciated in following the senseless deaths of two reporters on live fucking TV.
Yargh
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2015 15:56 GMT
#44717
I reported it to the moderators. Please do not be a disrespectful asshole and post stuff like that. No one gives a shit how edgy you are trying to be.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-26 15:58:56
August 26 2015 15:58 GMT
#44718
ffs I've seen a lot of violence first hand but that shit disturbed me deeply.
dude bro.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-26 15:58:56
August 26 2015 15:58 GMT
#44719
On August 27 2015 00:56 Plansix wrote:
I reported it to the moderators. Please do not be a disrespectful asshole and post stuff like that. No one gives a shit how edgy you are trying to be.

I took it down and left a link to the story. Is that kosher?
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2015 16:00 GMT
#44720
On August 27 2015 00:58 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 00:56 Plansix wrote:
I reported it to the moderators. Please do not be a disrespectful asshole and post stuff like that. No one gives a shit how edgy you are trying to be.

I took it down and left a link to the story. Is that kosher?

I really shouldn't have to explain to you that the comment afterwords is pretty shit. But you seem to be set on being a nihilistic.
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