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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 17 2015 11:15 GMT
#44061
Yeah it's going to be rough for some people, but overall making the HS diploma alone sufficient for an entry level job that's not sales is very important.
It shows that the education before college hasn't been a waste of time and that you have something to show for yourself. Especially with the student debt issue, we can't have a workforce of nothing but college educated people because it takes too much time and money. Weed the losers out and make HS challenging.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-17 13:01:07
August 17 2015 13:00 GMT
#44062
Improving HS education would certainly be good, as would improving options for technical education.
It's annoying how hard it is to do reform; and that its so politician-directed rather than based on the actual research and expertise in the area.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 17 2015 15:25 GMT
#44063
On August 17 2015 20:15 Deathstar wrote:
Yeah it's going to be rough for some people, but overall making the HS diploma alone sufficient for an entry level job that's not sales is very important.
It shows that the education before college hasn't been a waste of time and that you have something to show for yourself. Especially with the student debt issue, we can't have a workforce of nothing but college educated people because it takes too much time and money. Weed the losers out and make HS challenging.


True and I agree with you in principle (a diploma should be earned). But I fear that could only exacerbate the divide between wealthy school districts and the failing ones, and widen the gaps between rich and poor communities. The failing schools will have less students graduating, which would lead to more adults without a HS diploma, and trapping more people in the poverty cycle.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
August 17 2015 15:27 GMT
#44064
A few years ago, an Israeli F16 fighter pilot I know went on a training exercise for a possible attack on Iran’s nuclear reactors. When he got back I asked him if such an operation could actually succeed. He said he thought Israel had the capacity to carry it out, but the military leadership was against it. When I asked him why, he explained that even if an airstrike were completely successful, the Iranians would be able to rebuild their reactors within two years. The operation, he said, would only work if sanctions were intensified immediately after the attack, and most sanctioning countries would be unlikely to agree to that. He concluded by pointing out that Iran would probably retaliate against Israel, and ‘while it is easy to get into such a bloody game, it is completely unclear how to get out.’

The recent deal – assuming it’s approved by US and Iranian legislators – will accomplish more than the Israeli military would have been able to. Rather than two years, Tehran won’t have a nuclear weapons capability for a decade or more, and a new front with Iran has been taken off the table. This is probably the reason most IDF generals are uncharacteristically reticent about the agreement: they know it is advantageous but are afraid of upsetting the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, and his supporters in the United States.


More Effective than Airstrikes
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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-17 15:35:44
August 17 2015 15:35 GMT
#44065
Trump released his policy for immigration reform.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
The three core principles of Donald J. Trump's immigration plan

When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.

Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

Make Mexico Pay For The Wall

For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.

The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old women’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.

In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.

Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).

In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.

The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States

America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:

Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.

Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.

Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.

Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.

Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.

Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.

Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”

End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

Put American Workers First

Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”

The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.

Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”

Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need to companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.

End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.

Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.

Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 17 2015 15:42 GMT
#44066
That immigration policy will fly about as well as a brick.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 17 2015 15:43 GMT
#44067
On the back of rising fatal heroin overdoses across the United States, the White House will announce a plan Monday pairing law enforcement officials with public health workers in an effort to promote treatment over the prosecution of addicts, the Washington Post said.

Citing two senior officials, the newspaper reported Sunday that the program would initially be funded for $2.5 million by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy and cover 15 states.

The plan would focus on tracing the sources of heroin, where a deadly opiate additive blamed for a rising share of recent overdose deaths is being added and who is distributing the drug to dealers, the newspaper said.

The Post said the initiative came in reaction to a sharp increase in heroin use and deaths, particularly in New England and other Northeastern states, which will be covered in the plan.

Heroin overdose deaths in the United States nearly quadrupled between 2002 and 2013, fueled by lower costs as well as increased abuse of prescription opiate painkillers, U.S. health officials said in July.

Under the White House program, 15 drug intelligence officers and 15 health policy analysts will collect data on overdoses and trends in heroin trafficking for distribution to local law enforcement, the Post reported. It added that the plan would also train first responders about how to use medication that can reverse overdoses.

"Our approach needs to be broad and inclusive,” the Post quoted a senior White House official as saying. “Law enforcement is only one part of what really needs to be a comprehensive public health, public safety approach.”

A law enforcement official told the Post it was a step in “both reducing crime and reducing the number of people who end up in emergency rooms.


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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
August 17 2015 15:45 GMT
#44068
The nice thing about Trump is that he is something xDaunt and I can agree on
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 17 2015 15:48 GMT
#44069
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.


OMG! Trump has gigantic massive ginormous humongous balls. I'm loving this election cycle.
rip passion
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 17 2015 16:01 GMT
#44070
Holy shit...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44440 Posts
August 17 2015 16:04 GMT
#44071
I'm still not convinced by this wall and won't be unless it completely surrounds the United States, including in the sea, the great lakes and the Canadian border. I would also accept a moat with a separate moat around Alaska. Following the Alaska moat construction I would like to see a longer term project unhitch Alaska from the earth and tow it south to join the rest of the United States. Once reunified the entire great nation could be similarly unhitched and sail out into the Pacific. China will pay for this.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44440 Posts
August 17 2015 16:06 GMT
#44072
On August 18 2015 00:48 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.


OMG! Trump has gigantic massive ginormous humongous balls. I'm loving this election cycle.

My understanding is that birth right citizenship is basically the entire justification for America. Sure the first people who got here may have been genocidal criminals but why blame their children who were just born here and have as much right to the land as anyone else.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-17 16:18:11
August 17 2015 16:15 GMT
#44073
Make Mexico Pay For The Wall


Like does he understand they are another nation and there is no way that would work? The only way you force nations to pay for things is through the threat of force or economic ruin. Both of those are the worst plan for a neighbor who has people that could get very angry at the US. Or did he watch to much GoT and thought the idea of the wall looked really good. But I guess his base would think the idea of a physical wall over thousands of miles would be viable and effective, despite history proving otherwise over and over.

On August 18 2015 01:06 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2015 00:48 Deathstar wrote:
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.


OMG! Trump has gigantic massive ginormous humongous balls. I'm loving this election cycle.

My understanding is that birth right citizenship is basically the entire justification for America. Sure the first people who got here may have been genocidal criminals but why blame their children who were just born here and have as much right to the land as anyone else.


It is one of the corner stones of our culture. We are one of the few nations in the world where you can live here for 15 years and say you are of the nation. Trump clearly is batting for the racist vote hard. To bad they don’t’ decide elections any more, only primaries.
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 17 2015 16:20 GMT
#44074
On August 18 2015 01:06 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2015 00:48 Deathstar wrote:
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.


OMG! Trump has gigantic massive ginormous humongous balls. I'm loving this election cycle.

My understanding is that birth right citizenship is basically the entire justification for America. Sure the first people who got here may have been genocidal criminals but why blame their children who were just born here and have as much right to the land as anyone else.


If I remember my history correctly, citizenship on birth was created so that slaves would become US citizens. This is a strange law now though because no one is being forced to come here. It's the other way around, people are forcing their way into the US, ie illegally, and gaming the law so that their children become US citizens.

This law is antiquated. Illegal immigrants should give birth to illegal immigrants, not citizens.
rip passion
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-17 16:23:12
August 17 2015 16:22 GMT
#44075
On August 18 2015 01:20 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2015 01:06 KwarK wrote:
On August 18 2015 00:48 Deathstar wrote:
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.


OMG! Trump has gigantic massive ginormous humongous balls. I'm loving this election cycle.

My understanding is that birth right citizenship is basically the entire justification for America. Sure the first people who got here may have been genocidal criminals but why blame their children who were just born here and have as much right to the land as anyone else.


If I remember my history correctly, citizenship on birth was created so that slaves would become US citizens. This is a strange law now though because no one is being forced to come here. It's the other way around, people are forcing their way into the US, ie illegally, and gaming the law so that their children become US citizens.

This law is antiquated. Illegal immigrants should give birth to illegal immigrants, not citizens.

You should probably, you know, actually know something about the history of the thing you claim is "antiquated."

Oh wait, you're defending Trump's "platform." Carry on.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44440 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-17 16:43:57
August 17 2015 16:26 GMT
#44076
On August 18 2015 01:20 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2015 01:06 KwarK wrote:
On August 18 2015 00:48 Deathstar wrote:
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.


OMG! Trump has gigantic massive ginormous humongous balls. I'm loving this election cycle.

My understanding is that birth right citizenship is basically the entire justification for America. Sure the first people who got here may have been genocidal criminals but why blame their children who were just born here and have as much right to the land as anyone else.


If I remember my history correctly, citizenship on birth was created so that slaves would become US citizens. This is a strange law now though because no one is being forced to come here. It's the other way around, people are forcing their way into the US, ie illegally, and gaming the law so that their children become US citizens.

This law is antiquated. Illegal immigrants should give birth to illegal immigrants, not citizens.

Are you certain that none of your ancestors came to the United States illegally? Because you better be certain when you're proposing a law like that.
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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 17 2015 16:27 GMT
#44077
On August 18 2015 01:22 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2015 01:20 Deathstar wrote:
On August 18 2015 01:06 KwarK wrote:
On August 18 2015 00:48 Deathstar wrote:
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.


OMG! Trump has gigantic massive ginormous humongous balls. I'm loving this election cycle.

My understanding is that birth right citizenship is basically the entire justification for America. Sure the first people who got here may have been genocidal criminals but why blame their children who were just born here and have as much right to the land as anyone else.


If I remember my history correctly, citizenship on birth was created so that slaves would become US citizens. This is a strange law now though because no one is being forced to come here. It's the other way around, people are forcing their way into the US, ie illegally, and gaming the law so that their children become US citizens.

This law is antiquated. Illegal immigrants should give birth to illegal immigrants, not citizens.

You should probably, you know, actually know something about the history of the thing you claim is "antiquated."

Oh wait, you're defending Trump's "platform." Carry on.

I would respond but my doctor told me not to.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 17 2015 16:27 GMT
#44078
Back in June, the federal government was very worried that a bad wildfire season might be coming, exacerbated by drought throughout much of the west.

And now it has come to pass: On Thursday, the so-called National Preparedness Level for wildfires was elevated to 5, the highest there is, meaning that “geographic areas are experiencing major incidents which have the potential to exhaust all agency fire resources.” Indeed, large fires are now burning in 11 states, including 12 in Oregon and 14 in California.

“Given the continuing hot and dry weather and the increase in fire activity in the western US, the decision to move to Preparedness Level 5 depicts the complexity that fire managers are encountering to assure that adequate firefighting resources are available for protection of life, property and our nation’s natural resources,” says the National Interagency Fire Center.

Overall, 6,471,748 acres have burned across the U.S. so far in 2015, well ahead of the 10 year average for this time of year. Last week the U.S. Forest Service released a new report saying that the costs of fighting wildfires is spiking and consuming an ever larger percentage of the agency’s budget — projected to be over 50 percent of it this year.

The national wildfire preparedness level has not been this high since August of 2013, according to the National Interagency Fire Center. It stayed at that level for seven days back then. It has now been raised to the highest level five separate times in the last decade.


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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 17 2015 16:28 GMT
#44079
Can we talk about e-Verify? Of the things in Trump's proposal, that is the most likely to happen, and it is the biggest pain in the ass and waste of time I have ever seen.
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Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
August 17 2015 16:34 GMT
#44080
On August 18 2015 01:20 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2015 01:06 KwarK wrote:
On August 18 2015 00:48 Deathstar wrote:
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.


OMG! Trump has gigantic massive ginormous humongous balls. I'm loving this election cycle.

My understanding is that birth right citizenship is basically the entire justification for America. Sure the first people who got here may have been genocidal criminals but why blame their children who were just born here and have as much right to the land as anyone else.


If I remember my history correctly, citizenship on birth was created so that slaves would become US citizens. This is a strange law now though because no one is being forced to come here. It's the other way around, people are forcing their way into the US, ie illegally, and gaming the law so that their children become US citizens.

This law is antiquated. Illegal immigrants should give birth to illegal immigrants, not citizens.


So you would really be willing to round up kids who grew up in the US and deport them to other countries where they don't have any family and don't speak the language?

Anyway, the point is moot. To end birthright citizenship it would require a constitutional amendment or for SCOTUS to reverse a 100 year+ old precedent.
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