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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22373 Posts
On August 15 2014 07:27 Wolfstan wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but are there still "black communities" and "white communities" in the states? I thought that segregation ended, or are communities just based on wealth? Anyone have a statistic saying if you're black you have and 90% chance to have black neighbors or something? America is not nearly as socially or culturally advanced as they would like you to believe. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 15 2014 07:27 Wolfstan wrote: They exist for media convenience, and for the "community organizer" designated-persons to bring together grievances thought to be harmful or inconsiderate of a particular race. The black community was upset about this, making the white community respond by such and such, etc etc. It's a very PC-approved term (Contrast with using crude language like 'apeshit' in any story relating to a minority, all post context and poster history will be discarded by the PC police. Heck you might even miss what was objectionable in your PC naivete). But on a broader note, I hope all the black community activists in Ferguson find consensus and adopt multi-party talks with an emphasis on regional stability, open dialogue, and peaceful coexistence.Forgive my ignorance, but are there still "black communities" and "white communities" in the states? I thought that segregation ended, or are communities just based on wealth? Anyone have a statistic saying if you're black you have and 90% chance to have black neighbors or something? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
On August 15 2014 07:33 farvacola wrote: It'd probably be best to avoid a pejorative use of "they"; there are plenty of Americans who have no interest in playing the "let's pretend racism is dead" game. My favorite line from that crowd is the 'Racisim is a thing of the past, we have a black president for god's sake' I like it because it encapsulates the ignorance so well. As if black people were the only ones to suffer at the hands of racism, or that electing a person from a partially non-white background alleviates all of the persistent echos of racism all around the country (but most especially in the South/East). As for the police, I'll start believing in good cops when I start seeing them turning in the dirty ones, unprovoked by outside pressures. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On August 15 2014 07:41 Danglars wrote: They exist for media convenience, and for the "community organizer" designated-persons to bring together grievances thought to be harmful or inconsiderate of a particular race. The black community was upset about this, making the white community respond by such and such, etc etc. It's a very PC-approved term (Contrast with using crude language like 'apeshit' in any story relating to a minority, all post context and poster history will be discarded by the PC police. Heck you might even miss what was objectionable in your PC naivete). But on a broader note, I hope all the black community activists in Ferguson find consensus and adopt multi-party talks with an emphasis on regional stability, open dialogue, and peaceful coexistence. the fuck are you talking about East Cleveland isn't 93.2% black for the media's convenience. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 15 2014 07:27 Wolfstan wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but are there still "black communities" and "white communities" in the states? I thought that segregation ended, or are communities just based on wealth? Anyone have a statistic saying if you're black you have and 90% chance to have black neighbors or something? The difference a full generation has given us is primarily explicit vs implicit. No longer do we have codified segregation, where you can prevent "those" people from living freely in certain areas. Instead, it's implicit and tolerated. There's a lot of people that "aren't racist" but will allow racists to exercise their power, and this kind of thing ends up building pockets here and there where explicit laws aren't needed for segregation. An unspoken, uncoordinated effort is undertaken that works to keep "those" people from escaping things that look like segregation. Drug laws, stop-and-frisk policies, and public aid discretion give power to racists to enforce their view without reprimand, because they are "technically" correct in their use of power. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 15 2014 07:33 farvacola wrote: It'd probably be best to avoid a pejorative use of "they"; there are plenty of Americans who have no interest in playing the "let's pretend racism is dead" game. We're not perfect, but we sure as hell are better than most. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On August 15 2014 07:27 Wolfstan wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but are there still "black communities" and "white communities" in the states? I thought that segregation ended, or are communities just based on wealth? Anyone have a statistic saying if you're black you have and 90% chance to have black neighbors or something? Here's a cool map that (http://www.wired.com/2013/08/how-segregated-is-your-city-this-eye-opening-map-shows-you/) that shows the degree of segregation in the US. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 15 2014 07:46 Mindcrime wrote: Right. Referring to specifically the 93.2% of East Cleveland as East Cleveland's black community is a convenient term of reference.the fuck are you talking about East Cleveland isn't 93.2% black for the media's convenience. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On August 15 2014 07:27 Wolfstan wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but are there still "black communities" and "white communities" in the states? I thought that segregation ended, or are communities just based on wealth? Anyone have a statistic saying if you're black you have and 90% chance to have black neighbors or something? Yes there are "white" and "black" communities. There are also communities of other ethic groups like chinatown in NY or Boston or Little Italy. People tend to want to live near other people "like themselves" and if you follow something like Schelling's segregation model, even a very tolerant population can end up highly segregated. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
New Orleans has passed a radical policy that, if implemented, would for the first time admit ex-felons to public housing The United States Department of Housing and Urban Development, known as HUD, provides public-housing assistance to about 3.4 million households annually, either in the form of housing projects, where tenants pay rent substantially below market rate, or rent-subsidy vouchers, to be used in private, market-rate housing, better known as Section 8 vouchers. Historically, people with criminal histories have been banned from receiving these benefits. Under federal law, local public-housing authorities are empowered to create their own guidelines for admission, provided they adhere to the Fair Housing Act of 1968. For most local housing authorities, these guidelines banned formerly incarcerated people from public housing. In some instances, just a record of arrest, even without charges, was enough to have an application for housing denied. Fracking With Diesel Fuel Is Illegal Without A Permit, But Drillers Use It Anyway: Report A new report charges that several oil and gas companies have been illegally using diesel fuel in their hydraulic fracturing operations, and then doctoring records to hide violations of the federal Safe Drinking Water Act. The report, published this week by the Environmental Integrity Project, found that between 2010 and July 2014 at least 351 wells were fracked by 33 different companies using diesel fuels without a permit. The Integrity Project, an environmental organization based in Washington, D.C., said it used the industry-backed database, FracFocus, to identify violations and to determine the records had been retroactively amended by the companies to erase the evidence. | ||
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unteqair
United States308 Posts
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sc2isnotdying
United States200 Posts
On August 15 2014 07:41 Danglars wrote: They exist for media convenience, and for the "community organizer" designated-persons to bring together grievances thought to be harmful or inconsiderate of a particular race. The black community was upset about this, making the white community respond by such and such, etc etc. It's a very PC-approved term (Contrast with using crude language like 'apeshit' in any story relating to a minority, all post context and poster history will be discarded by the PC police. Heck you might even miss what was objectionable in your PC naivete). But on a broader note, I hope all the black community activists in Ferguson find consensus and adopt multi-party talks with an emphasis on regional stability, open dialogue, and peaceful coexistence. Do you live in the same country I do? There are very much black neighborhoods, black schools, and black communities. Do you reject that reality? I am confused as to your position. The issue at heart of these protests is racial profiling and the antagonistic relationship between white cops and black citizens in Missouri. How would you frame this story? | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On August 15 2014 09:20 sc2isnotdying wrote: Do you live in the same country I do? There are very much black neighborhoods, black schools, and black communities. Do you reject that reality? I am confused as to your position. The issue at heart of these protests is racial profiling and the antagonistic relationship between white cops and black citizens in Missouri. How would you frame this story? The issue is much bigger and complex than just simple "racial profiling". In fact, it has little to do with racism, but calling it as such brings the attention needed by activist groups. It's a cheap way of describing this complex and messy problem. This is social issue, where some parts of American cities are concentrated with poor and uneducated folks, raising the crime rates of the entire city. Care to guess the racial make up of these people? | ||
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sc2isnotdying
United States200 Posts
On August 15 2014 10:09 jellyjello wrote: The issue is much bigger and complex than just simple "racial profiling". In fact, it has little to do with racism, but calling it as such brings the attention needed by activist groups. It's a cheap way of describing this complex and messy problem. This is social issue, where some parts of American cities are concentrated with poor and uneducated folks, raising the crime rates of the entire city. Care to guess the racial make up of these people? Do you see the word "racism" in my post? Did you see me call racial profiling a "simple" issue? But lets be clear. Racial profiling is real in Missouri. The state collects data on the issue. http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/ But more than that, the antagonistic relationship between the predominantly white police and the predominantly black communities they are supposed to be serving is also real, as are the racial tensions felt by the people who live there. We can debate the root causes all day if you want, but race is going to be a part of this discussion. You're fooling yourself if you think it has "little" to do with what's going on in Ferguson. | ||
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Introvert
United States4951 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:51 IgnE wrote: Sometimes systemic violence and oppression calls for a violent response. If people weren't marching and "rioting" the incident would have been forgotten already. You can't always effectively oppose a system by playing within its rules. You can protest without becoming violent and destroying private property. A sit-in is different than rocks through a window, and I'll bet the former would win more public support. | ||
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