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Livelovedie
United States492 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 15 2014 05:13 aksfjh wrote: Also, watch yourself: That's a statement that seems quite loaded with racism. When is rioting and looting ever acceptable or justified? Let's not pretend that these are strictly peaceful protests. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On August 15 2014 05:31 sc2isnotdying wrote: But you'd think a professional politician would keep up. Racism has been non politically correct value for awhile now. I'd have to disagree with you there. I don't think anyone should be offended by his wording and calling it racist is an extreme exaggeration. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 15 2014 05:26 sc2isnotdying wrote: Wrong. This is a situation where local authorities are systematically targeting blacks. Heres the states own data on racial profiling. http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/ Doesn't prove anything. It only shows the number of stops. It's no secret that there's a higher incidence of criminal activity in the black population than others, thus you'd expect there to be more stops of black people to an extent. Regardless, this isn't what I was talking about in terms of systematic discrimination. I'm talking about 1950s South-type of systematic discrimination. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 15 2014 05:52 xDaunt wrote: When is rioting and looting ever acceptable or justified? Let's not pretend that these are strictly peaceful protests. Racists use looting and rioting as an excuse to single out blacks and black neighborhoods for violent oppression and other bullshit. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On August 15 2014 05:52 xDaunt wrote: When is rioting and looting ever acceptable or justified? Let's not pretend that these are strictly peaceful protests. what stopped you from phrasing it this way the first time instead of "blacks going apeshit" ? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:01 aksfjh wrote: Racists use looting and rioting to single out blacks and black neighborhoods for violent oppression and other bullshit. Are you really going to argue that looting and rioting by black people is justified whenever a black kid gets shot by cops under inauspicious and potentially criminal circumstances? | ||
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unteqair
United States308 Posts
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:02 Sub40APM wrote: what stopped you from phrasing it this way the first time instead of "blacks going apeshit" ? The majority population there is black, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt guys. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:03 xDaunt wrote: Are you really going to argue that looting and rioting by black people is justified whenever a black kid gets shot by cops under inauspicious and potentially criminal circumstances? I'm arguing that looting and rioting happens with any population when there is a great deal of anger and frustration in a community. I'm not excusing it, but I'm not going to blame them for being black AND rioting and looting. On August 15 2014 06:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote: The majority population there is black, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt guys. If it walks like a duck... | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote: The majority population there is black, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt guys. If people really think that I'm racist of all things after all these years of my posting here, then fuck 'em. I'm not even going give such suggestions the dignity of a response. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote: The majority population there is black, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt guys. the majority of the population is also not looting. I dont think you are racist xDaunt, but your first post was pretty incendiary. 'Blacks going apeshit' manages to both tar everyone in Ferguson protesting as a criminal even as the reports indicate pretty clearly that the protestors and the looters are two different groups of people separated by geography and manages to bring in the comparison between 'blacks' and apes. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:07 xDaunt wrote: If people really think that I'm racist of all things after all these years of my posting here, then fuck 'em. I'm not even going give such suggestions the dignity of a response. For being a lawyer, you're being extremely poor with words right now. Being "not racist" has much more to do with how you think, speak, and act than how often you say, "I'm not racist." On August 15 2014 06:07 Sub40APM wrote: the majority of the population is also not looting. I dont think you are racist xDaunt, but your first post was pretty incendiary. 'Blacks going apeshit' manages to both tar everyone in Ferguson protesting as a criminal even as the reports indicate pretty clearly that the protestors and the looters are two different groups of people separated by geography and manages to bring in the comparison between 'blacks' and apes. That's a little far-fetched... | ||
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sc2isnotdying
United States200 Posts
On August 15 2014 05:58 xDaunt wrote: Doesn't prove anything. It only shows the number of stops. It's no secret that there's a higher incidence of criminal activity in the black population than others, thus you'd expect there to be more stops of black people to an extent. Regardless, this isn't what I was talking about in terms of systematic discrimination. I'm talking about 1950s South-type of systematic discrimination. It proves that black communities are subject to more policing than white ones. Its kind of a big deal. This type of antagonistic relationship between black neighborhoods and the local police is both systemic and real. You could be of the opinion that black communities should be subject to more policing. That the discrimination is warranted. You could be for racial profiling. Im not. But if your argument is that the discrimination doesn't exist, you're just wrong. The numbers are helpful only to illustrate that this these protests are rooted in real tensions but they don't tell the whole story. You don't actually need numbers to see the differences in the way the police treat black communities vs white ones, specifically in Missouri. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On August 15 2014 05:52 xDaunt wrote: When is rioting and looting ever acceptable or justified? Let's not pretend that these are strictly peaceful protests. Sometimes systemic violence and oppression calls for a violent response. If people weren't marching and "rioting" the incident would have been forgotten already. You can't always effectively oppose a system by playing within its rules. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
Why aren't all officers carrying lapel cams or something these days? That'd clear up so much. | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:54 zlefin wrote: It's too bad the incident wasn't caught on video; that'd be a lot clearer about what happened. Why aren't all officers carrying lapel cams or something these days? That'd clear up so much. I think I read they were supplied with cameras, but they've just been sitting in storage, they've never gotten around to installing/using them. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:54 zlefin wrote: It's too bad the incident wasn't caught on video; that'd be a lot clearer about what happened. Why aren't all officers carrying lapel cams or something these days? That'd clear up so much. Even if they were im sure they would miraculously start to malfunction the moment an officer executes an innocent boy in cold blood. | ||
KwarK
United States44443 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:54 zlefin wrote: It's too bad the incident wasn't caught on video; that'd be a lot clearer about what happened. Why aren't all officers carrying lapel cams or something these days? That'd clear up so much. You're really asking why police officers don't want a clear record of their actions? In the wake of yet another incident like this? | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On August 15 2014 06:54 zlefin wrote: It's too bad the incident wasn't caught on video; that'd be a lot clearer about what happened. Why aren't all officers carrying lapel cams or something these days? That'd clear up so much. A lot of people don't like being monitored and second guessed. IIRC cameras in classrooms are controversial too. | ||
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