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Brazil1429 Posts
On September 20 2012 05:09 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 04:41 Spicy_Curry wrote:On September 20 2012 04:29 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Hello Dota forum. I bougth a beta key and started playing Dota 2 just a few days ago and I'm wondering what people think about leaving games.
I'm an old Starcraft player and I'm pretty firmly in the camp that once you have lost a game badly enough you concede, yet there is no option for this in Dota 2.
Similarly it can take like 20 minutes for a team of noobs like me to win a game that's clearly over (ie half of the enemy team has left).
Since I'm raised with the "if you lost gg and get out" school of thougth I do not stay in games when it's clear that they are over. Like if the enemies have destroyed every tower on the field and we can't touch theirs and their carry 3 hits everyone on our team and just shrugs of 5 people unloading on them. It's pointless to play, it's like being down 3 bases in sc and then loosing your army, there's NO reason to keep playing if the enemy could win even if they got a stroke and broke their arm at the same time.
But what is consensus on leaving? Is it BM,or is it OK? Sorry, but you are bad and dont know when the game is over. Keep playing until you lose or suffer the consequences. Really? So being down something like 4 - 30 in KD, outleveled about 4 levels at least on all heroes, 2 guy on your team DC'ed and the enemy main carry has something like 5000+ more gold in items than then best on your team and you don't think I know that we are completly and utterly fucked? Problem is it still takes 20 minutes for them to win since even if they have one great player and a few decent ones there is no coordination what so ever and they rather just run around and kill people than finish the game.
If a player abandons the game (a red message appears on the screen telling that they abandoned the game, don't mistake it with disconnect), then the game is safe to leave. But if no one abandoned, the game is not safe to leave. If you leave, you'll get into the low priority at MM, and leaving is kinda BM.
Don't compare calling GG in Dota 2 to SC2. In SC you're alone to decide. On Dota 2 there are other four people playing with you, and in MM there's no captain or hierarchy between the players. That means no one is more important or valuable than anyone. You should try as best as possible to experiment the game as a social experience, and you should try as best as possible to find ways to come back in a game. Not only because the results can be really spectacular, but also to respect your mates and the opponents.
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Well to be fair they do need to add a concede, it's pretty shit if you are stomping or they are stomping they have to wait like 10-15mins longer to push and end the game.
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From what I've seen, some people try to bait others to leave once they belive the game is lost by dc and wait almost 5 min and reconnect at last possible moment, some times people leave between 4-2 minutes left and get the abandon instead of the one who should have, in which case I usually just report the guy doing it as abusing the system (as in it's not just power outage or anything, but they just afk until one of the baited has abandoned).
Of course that doesn't work well in case they have sensible players and pause for minute or two and stay in game until the abandon message.
If you are playing with group or have people who agree on everyone leaving it's non-issue, as if you have all left before the abandon, it takes 30s for the game to default the other team as winner and there will be no abandons issued.
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It's your choice to leave of course, but I would suggest that you and all the other newbies to play out the game. Even if it is lost you can still play the game out and just gain more experience. You kind of get something out of every game you play even if you don't think about it. You work on your hero control and you get better feel for attack animations and spells the more you use them, micro and positoning in fights, finger speed etc etc.
And at your level you will win soooooo many games that are "over" by just continue playing becaues your opponents will be bad and will let you guys back into the game so many times it isn't even funny. 
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You can argue as muh as you want , but Icefrog said that he won't add a concede function to the game . Most of the people agree with him .
If you think that you lost the game then just leave , otherwise shut the fuck up and keep playing.
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One single person leaving a game ruins it and wastes the time of 9 other people
I hate leavers with a passion.
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On September 20 2012 05:31 BlitzerSC wrote:
You can argue as muh as you want , but Icefrog said that he won't add a concede function to the game . Most of the people agree with him .
If you think that you lost the game then just leave , otherwise shut the fuck up and keep playing.
I lol'd :D
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On September 20 2012 05:06 ChrisXIV wrote:
Or fight to the end. If both of these options don't appeal to you, run around in your fountain until the game ends, which is exactly as boring as it sounds and may get you reported.
This will actually get you an abandon after 5 minutes. Abandons are XP-based, not player-control based. I.e. you have to see action or else you will get an abandon. If you really want to give up, go to the jungle and farm neutrals!
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On September 20 2012 05:32 BeanerBurrito wrote:
One single person leaving a game ruins it and wastes the time of 9 other people
I hate leavers with a passion.
Exactly. In SC where its 1v1 no prob, but in dota you are giving up and wasting 4 other peoples time because most people want to concede as soon as they feel its going south.
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On top of all what has been said. Leave early and you never learn how to play with a deficit.
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Its not about leaving early. No one who has played SC would leave early.
But I just lost a game that was over and it took 17 minutes (I counted) for the opposing team to kill us.
That's a loooooooooong time.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Can someone please make a good post in this thread? Holy shit
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I stopped leaving games and really changed myy mind about how dota 2 games outcome can really go one way or the other no matter what.
Here I was playing Dazzle, 35 minutes in we were getting owned left and right and I had to leave in 10 minutes. I went into the shower to come back 10 minutes later to see that we were winning. After 2 lost team fights in which we didn't seem to do anything wrong I decided to go solve my business in the city, only to come back 1 hour later to see that they've won the game in 4. >.>
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United States4714 Posts
It doesn't matter how long it takes for the enemy team to finish you. Dota is a team game, when you leave you are ruining the game for your teammates who may have wanted to keep trying.
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On September 20 2012 06:02 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Its not about leaving early. No one who has played SC would leave early.
But I just lost a game that was over and it took 17 minutes (I counted) for the opposing team to kill us.
That's a loooooooooong time.
17 minutes from what point?
I've had games where my team was up in kills by about double and a few towers and they were calling gg at like 15 minutes, but they played on and had better team fight heroes and were able to come back with some bad fights from my team. It turned into a pretty even game in the end.
If your whole team really just wants the game to end you can just sit in the fountain and just ask them to finish and most people will, but few games start out as 2-30 stomps and don't end soon. Comebacks are fairly common from what I have seen.
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On September 20 2012 06:02 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Its not about leaving early. No one who has played SC would leave early.
But I just lost a game that was over and it took 17 minutes (I counted) for the opposing team to kill us.
That's a loooooooooong time.
id say if you're ready to play a good game of dota have at least 45 minutes and probably closer to 60 minutes free
good games don't usually end in 20 minutes or even 30 minutes.
If the enemy team isn't currently inside your base while all your teams heroes are dead, i don't think you can start counting down and saying "the game is over now"
There are times when the enemy team is very far ahead, but in dota the longer the game goes the closer the two teams become. In the late game when your carry is farmed it literally only takes one lost fight to push a rax or a throne, comebacks become more and more easily accessible the longer the game of dota goes.
By giving up early when you "think" you've lost but you're actually just behind, you are preventing yourself from reaching the point in the game where your comeback is more likely to happen.
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Lol as many times as I think games are over they prove time and time again that I am wrong! We were getting fountain camped one game... managed to come back with a sick blink ravage and black hole. Wiped their team, only two had buyback and we proceeded to win
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On September 20 2012 06:14 DeltaX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 06:02 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Its not about leaving early. No one who has played SC would leave early.
But I just lost a game that was over and it took 17 minutes (I counted) for the opposing team to kill us.
That's a loooooooooong time. 17 minutes from what point? I've had games where my team was up in kills by about double and a few towers and they were calling gg at like 15 minutes, but they played on and had better team fight heroes and were able to come back with some bad fights from my team. It turned into a pretty even game in the end. If your whole team really just wants the game to end you can just sit in the fountain and just ask them to finish and most people will, but few games start out as 2-30 stomps and don't end soon. Comebacks are fairly common from what I have seen.
Game ended at 45 minutes so at the ~28 minute mark.
I had an even worse game now when 2 of the enemy players dropped asap.
Can you leave a game where the enemy discs as well? Because if there's one thing worse than loosing when your players leave it's winning when their players leave.
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On September 20 2012 06:41 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 06:14 DeltaX wrote:On September 20 2012 06:02 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Its not about leaving early. No one who has played SC would leave early.
But I just lost a game that was over and it took 17 minutes (I counted) for the opposing team to kill us.
That's a loooooooooong time. 17 minutes from what point? I've had games where my team was up in kills by about double and a few towers and they were calling gg at like 15 minutes, but they played on and had better team fight heroes and were able to come back with some bad fights from my team. It turned into a pretty even game in the end. If your whole team really just wants the game to end you can just sit in the fountain and just ask them to finish and most people will, but few games start out as 2-30 stomps and don't end soon. Comebacks are fairly common from what I have seen. Game ended at 45 minutes so at the ~28 minute mark. I had an even worse game now when 2 of the enemy players dropped asap. Can you leave a game where the enemy discs as well? Because if there's one thing worse than loosing when your players leave it's winning when their players leave.
heh, you got screwed over by leavers and that made it "an even worse game" ^^
if the game has a single person abandon it (disconnected for 5 minutes) you can leave at any time without getting an abandon, however if you play it out you will get battle points.
The message of this thread is that leavers ruin games, end of story.
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If you think the game is over it doesn't really mean your team thinks that the game is over. I have seen incredible come backs and I have even experienced a few amazing comebacks. If you think the game is over you should just try to have fun. If your whole team thinks that the game is over I would suggest just asking the other team to just push it in and say you won't defend. Otherwise you should just keep trying/playing
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