On September 21 2012 02:00 Yoshi- wrote:
It is funny too say that dota players live in the past, considering how every major dota1 platform had a concede option.

So dota 1 did have a concede system in place? Then its surprising that a lot of dota 1 players seem so staunchly against it in dota 2.

Mataza

Germany5364 Posts

September 20 2012 17:11 GMT

#122

I think the poll needs to read "I´d rather shoot myself in the foot" instead of "I´d rather have a surrender option"

Yoshi-

Germany10227 Posts

September 20 2012 17:13 GMT

#123

On September 21 2012 02:11 Gandalf wrote:

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So dota 1 did have a concede system in place? Then its surprising that a lot of dota 1 players seem so staunchly against it in dota 2.

Or people saw that concede is crap and so they think that it shouldn't be added?

zeru

8156 Posts

September 20 2012 17:14 GMT

#124

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MrLion

India93 Posts

September 20 2012 17:21 GMT

#125

On September 21 2012 02:00 Yoshi- wrote:
It is funny too say that dota players live in the past, considering how every major dota1 platform had a concede option.

Well I've only played the Dota 1 map a few times. But how do you explain such baseless arguments that are seen in most threads.

1. You get reported for not surrendering by others. (It is in fact the fake reporters that get banned, for ex. in LoL)
2. The other players who are so noob dont realise the game can still be won. (If you are getting matched with them, you are just as noob as them, and those others are exactly the same skill as yours )

These indicate to me they've never experienced a modern working system.

Yoshi-

Germany10227 Posts

September 20 2012 17:25 GMT

#126

How should it be possible to ban fake reporters, when reports will never be checked by real human beings? Most report system ban you when you get too many reports, nobody is actually double checking it.

And your second point is not even remotely true, there will always be people of different skill levels in a game.

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

September 20 2012 17:34 GMT

#127

The second point is also wrong by the fact that probally everyone that has played enough games had games where they believed they had no way to win but kept playing and got back from a disadvantage they believed impossible to overcome. It's after stuff like that that you "train" yourself to not listen to your brain and keep playing, because if that game was winnable, perhaps this one is as well. It's more a question of experience, not skill. I doubt anyone could point the exact limits of when a game is unwinnable from the limited information inside the game, you just learn not to trust your instincts that say it is over and don't give up.

Gandalf

Pakistan1905 Posts

September 20 2012 17:43 GMT

#128

Then come up with a better concede system? Like a set of conditions that need to be met, plus all 5 players agreeing to concede, to ensure at least to a reasonable degree that the game is actually over.

And why don't 5 man premades in high or very high have the concede option?

Furthermore, you can't expect every player to be as goal driven as you. Its fine that some players take the game seriously and want to push themselves to be as good as possible, but there are many who play it casually and with limited time, and would rather concede and start a new game than get that 1 comeback in 30 stomps. What do you do when 4 casuals end up in a game with 1 hardcore guy? You won't be able to satisfy every player in every game.

But if there were a strict concede method, conditions + 4-5 players needed, maybe more people would find satisfying conclusions to their games.

And some sort of fix to the pool farming. I sure hope there isn't anyone here who supports that.

Erasme

Bahamas15899 Posts

September 20 2012 17:47 GMT

#129

theres already a concede system if 5players agree. It's called 'everyone leaves the game'. Not sure why you would add conditions ;p
And pool farming is a part of dota, you have way more chance to kill the guy that farm you near your pool than everywhere else.

Arcticc

United States203 Posts

September 20 2012 18:34 GMT

#130

On September 21 2012 02:47 Erasme wrote:
theres already a concede system if 5players agree. It's called 'everyone leaves the game'. Not sure why you would add conditions ;p

Uh, because if you're in a pub game it's very easy for one of your teammates to troll and stick around so that you get abandonment...

A mutual agreement protects each player.

And pool farming is a part of dota, you have way more chance to kill the guy that farm you near your pool than everywhere else.

How is 'pool farming is part of dota' ever an argument for this new game? A shitty store was a part of dota and they managed to change that. Pool farming is a valueless part of the game. For some reason people feel the need to defend it's existance as if it does play a role in the grand scheme of the game.

Yoshi-

Germany10227 Posts

September 20 2012 18:37 GMT

#131

Well you could always leave the game, wait a minute and then see if the game is still going, if it is still going you got fooled and can rejoin