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testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
September 03 2012 20:38 GMT
#1361
On September 03 2012 20:16 Grumbels wrote:
Or nerfing the Thor because supposedly it obscures vision so was problematic when massed, but not taking that to its logical conclusion and removing the colossus from the game in Heart of the Swarm - a unit that stands literally on top of other units and is widely hated by the community.


How about stop talking as if you knew what "the community" likes. Colossus is a great unit. It forces the opponent into doing things, i can actually win a game.
If you wanna talk about a shitty unit, take the void ray. All it does is force a lol of the opponent.
War is not about who is right, but who is left.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
September 03 2012 20:38 GMT
#1362
On September 04 2012 05:33 OminouS wrote:
Why would China be first with the Beta when they were last with WoL?


Thats not footage from the beta we all will be playing thats either a preview for journalists or another beta that is under nda.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
September 03 2012 20:40 GMT
#1363
On September 04 2012 03:57 larse wrote:
It seems like the beta is now started. The Chinese already post a gameplay video.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDQ2NDY2NTUy.html

Of course it's not 100% sure it's official but it looks quite true.

EDIT: There are the screenshots of the actual gameplay
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1838476525


The name of the red player belongs to a bronze league player from the NA server. Don't know if that makes it legit or not. No players on the Chinese server are known to use that ID but obviously in hots it would be new profiles anyway.
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Defeat
Profile Joined March 2010
United States476 Posts
September 03 2012 20:42 GMT
#1364
On September 04 2012 04:40 stevarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 04:38 hiro protagonist wrote:
NOOOOOO... Oracle no longer has clocking field (if this video is ligit that is...)


Oracle cloaking field would be broken as fuck.

How so? Wouldn't it be like the aribtor in BW? I was actually looking foward to the cloak :{
"the metagame has really evolved to the point where the best chance to win the metagame is to game the metagame" -Bags
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
September 03 2012 20:44 GMT
#1365
On September 04 2012 05:42 Defeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 04:40 stevarius wrote:
On September 04 2012 04:38 hiro protagonist wrote:
NOOOOOO... Oracle no longer has clocking field (if this video is ligit that is...)


Oracle cloaking field would be broken as fuck.

How so? Wouldn't it be like the aribtor in BW? I was actually looking foward to the cloak :{


Arbiter needs gate -> core -> stargate -> fleet beacon -> arbiter tribunal

Oracle needs gate -> core -> stargate
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 20:45:07
September 03 2012 20:44 GMT
#1366
On September 04 2012 05:38 testthewest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 20:16 Grumbels wrote:
Or nerfing the Thor because supposedly it obscures vision so was problematic when massed, but not taking that to its logical conclusion and removing the colossus from the game in Heart of the Swarm - a unit that stands literally on top of other units and is widely hated by the community.


How about stop talking as if you knew what "the community" likes. Colossus is a great unit. It forces the opponent into doing things, i can actually win a game.
If you wanna talk about a shitty unit, take the void ray. All it does is force a lol of the opponent.


What are you talking about.

The collosus should definitely have been completely redesigned. Its a stupid boring unit.
Dauntless
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway548 Posts
September 03 2012 20:44 GMT
#1367
HotS creep on Terran structures is quite cool..
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
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Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
September 03 2012 20:45 GMT
#1368
On September 04 2012 05:05 Alexj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 04:49 XenoX101 wrote:Tempest
- Damage reduced to 30 from 60
- Attack speed increased to 3.3 from 6 (10% buff in damage)

Errm... 60/6 = 10 DPS
30/3.3 = 9.09 DPS

What is this buff you're talking about?

was 60 only agaist massive, so it's a buff over non-massive
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
September 03 2012 20:45 GMT
#1369
Colossus is a great unit

gg
Cackle™
gedatsu
Profile Joined December 2011
1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 20:49:06
September 03 2012 20:45 GMT
#1370
On September 04 2012 05:05 Alexj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 04:49 XenoX101 wrote:Tempest
- Damage reduced to 30 from 60
- Attack speed increased to 3.3 from 6 (10% buff in damage)

Errm... 60/6 = 10 DPS
30/3.3 = 9.09 DPS

What is this buff you're talking about?

It was 60 (10dps) against massive, 45 (7.5dps) against anything else. So it's buffed against non-massive.

On September 04 2012 05:15 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 03:57 larse wrote:
It seems like the beta is now started. The Chinese already post a gameplay video.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDQ2NDY2NTUy.html

Of course it's not 100% sure it's official but it looks quite true.

EDIT: There are the screenshots of the actual gameplay
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1838476525


for the love of god

i will not buy hots if this dumbfuck unit stays in

You're upset that 4 capital ships don't die to 5 phoenixes and a stalker? Try putting 4 BCs or 4 Carriers in the enemy base and see if 5 phoenixes and a stalker can do anything about it.
Tenda
Profile Joined October 2009
United States146 Posts
September 03 2012 20:46 GMT
#1371
On September 04 2012 05:44 Dauntless wrote:
HotS creep on Terran structures is quite cool..
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I thought they changed the queen model; I guess they reverted it?
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
September 03 2012 20:48 GMT
#1372
On September 04 2012 05:46 Tenda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 05:44 Dauntless wrote:
HotS creep on Terran structures is quite cool..
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I thought they changed the queen model; I guess they reverted it?

Hmm, good point. I liked the new look of the queen, maybe single player only?
Micro at its best is like an elegant dance between two people trying to achieve a similar end.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
September 03 2012 20:49 GMT
#1373
On September 04 2012 05:48 imPermanenCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 05:46 Tenda wrote:
On September 04 2012 05:44 Dauntless wrote:
HotS creep on Terran structures is quite cool..
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I thought they changed the queen model; I guess they reverted it?

Hmm, good point. I liked the new look of the queen, maybe single player only?

Or collector's edition model?
Get off my lawn, young punks
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
September 03 2012 20:50 GMT
#1374
On September 04 2012 05:49 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 05:48 imPermanenCe wrote:
On September 04 2012 05:46 Tenda wrote:
On September 04 2012 05:44 Dauntless wrote:
HotS creep on Terran structures is quite cool..
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I thought they changed the queen model; I guess they reverted it?

Hmm, good point. I liked the new look of the queen, maybe single player only?

Or collector's edition model?


if it was collectors edition, wouldn't there be a special model of a unit for every race? or not? I've only heard of the queen getting updated
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 03 2012 20:50 GMT
#1375
On September 04 2012 05:44 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 05:42 Defeat wrote:
On September 04 2012 04:40 stevarius wrote:
On September 04 2012 04:38 hiro protagonist wrote:
NOOOOOO... Oracle no longer has clocking field (if this video is ligit that is...)


Oracle cloaking field would be broken as fuck.

How so? Wouldn't it be like the aribtor in BW? I was actually looking foward to the cloak :{


Arbiter needs gate -> core -> stargate -> fleet beacon -> arbiter tribunal

Oracle needs gate -> core -> stargate

Arbiter needs
gate -> core -> Stargate                            } Arbiter tribunal
-> Citadel of Adun -> Templar Archives }
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
September 03 2012 20:52 GMT
#1376
On September 04 2012 05:44 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 05:42 Defeat wrote:
On September 04 2012 04:40 stevarius wrote:
On September 04 2012 04:38 hiro protagonist wrote:
NOOOOOO... Oracle no longer has clocking field (if this video is ligit that is...)


Oracle cloaking field would be broken as fuck.

How so? Wouldn't it be like the aribtor in BW? I was actually looking foward to the cloak :{


Arbiter needs gate -> core -> stargate -> fleet beacon -> arbiter tribunal

Oracle needs gate -> core -> stargate

It was actually even more complex than that. The arbiter tribunal didn't require the fleet beacon, but it required the templar archives. You basically had to go down 2 tech paths to get them, which ensured that you couldn't rush them out for an OP timing attack before detection.

An extremely easy fix I think would be to make the cloaking ability a cheap upgrade at the fleet beacon, which would definitely create enough of a delay.
vibeo gane,
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 20:53:19
September 03 2012 20:52 GMT
#1377
On September 04 2012 05:50 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 05:44 Lorch wrote:
On September 04 2012 05:42 Defeat wrote:
On September 04 2012 04:40 stevarius wrote:
On September 04 2012 04:38 hiro protagonist wrote:
NOOOOOO... Oracle no longer has clocking field (if this video is ligit that is...)


Oracle cloaking field would be broken as fuck.

How so? Wouldn't it be like the aribtor in BW? I was actually looking foward to the cloak :{


Arbiter needs gate -> core -> stargate -> fleet beacon -> arbiter tribunal

Oracle needs gate -> core -> stargate

Arbiter needs
gate -> core -> Stargate                            } Arbiter tribunal
-> Citadel of Adun -> Templar Archives }


Oh shit sry thanks for correcting that I guess I should have used mor arbitersssss.

Point remains arbiter needs lot of tech, oracle can be out before 6 min.
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 23:04:44
September 03 2012 20:55 GMT
#1378
On September 04 2012 05:05 Alexj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 04:49 XenoX101 wrote:Tempest
- Damage reduced to 30 from 60
- Attack speed increased to 3.3 from 6 (10% buff in damage)

Errm... 60/6 = 10 DPS
30/3.3 = 9.09 DPS

What is this buff you're talking about?

Edit I'm stupid.
however, its not really a buff besides the tempests shots now are less valuable in terms of opportunity to make a shot...what I mean is a faster attack with similar dps means you will get more shots in and debatably do more damage


On September 04 2012 05:50 Tao367 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 05:49 ACrow wrote:
On September 04 2012 05:48 imPermanenCe wrote:
On September 04 2012 05:46 Tenda wrote:
On September 04 2012 05:44 Dauntless wrote:
HotS creep on Terran structures is quite cool..
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I thought they changed the queen model; I guess they reverted it?

Hmm, good point. I liked the new look of the queen, maybe single player only?

Or collector's edition model?


if it was collectors edition, wouldn't there be a special model of a unit for every race? or not? I've only heard of the queen getting updated

to be fair, the CE for terran only altered the thor.
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Defeat
Profile Joined March 2010
United States476 Posts
September 03 2012 20:56 GMT
#1379
On September 04 2012 05:52 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 05:50 Plexa wrote:
On September 04 2012 05:44 Lorch wrote:
On September 04 2012 05:42 Defeat wrote:
On September 04 2012 04:40 stevarius wrote:
On September 04 2012 04:38 hiro protagonist wrote:
NOOOOOO... Oracle no longer has clocking field (if this video is ligit that is...)


Oracle cloaking field would be broken as fuck.

How so? Wouldn't it be like the aribtor in BW? I was actually looking foward to the cloak :{


Arbiter needs gate -> core -> stargate -> fleet beacon -> arbiter tribunal

Oracle needs gate -> core -> stargate

Arbiter needs
gate -> core -> Stargate                            } Arbiter tribunal
-> Citadel of Adun -> Templar Archives }


Oh shit sry thanks for correcting that I guess I should have used mor arbitersssss.

Point remains arbiter needs lot of tech, oracle can be out before 6 min.

Ah, well I'd still like it to stay in so hopefully they will put it as a further branch down the tech tree or keep it in some way.
"the metagame has really evolved to the point where the best chance to win the metagame is to game the metagame" -Bags
Rah
Profile Joined February 2010
United States973 Posts
September 03 2012 20:56 GMT
#1380
I approve of most of the changes. Oracles having comsat sweep is a little goofy though, but I can see how it would have the same relationship as mule/ comsat, since the scan energy you would have rather used on a mineral block.
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