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larse
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Xenomorph
United States137 Posts
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:02 Xenomorph wrote: Does blizzard even know what they are doing with protoss? Removed about the only good ability with the Oracle and then made tempest even worse. No hope left for toss. No, I actually believe those are changes in the good direction. Though protoss still hasn't a clear answer to Mech or the Hydra swarmhost viper composition which I fear will also become too good against the protoss. | ||
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testthewest
Germany274 Posts
On September 04 2012 05:44 Hider wrote: What are you talking about. The collosus should definitely have been completely redesigned. Its a stupid boring unit. Then what is an interesting unit to you? Brood Lord? Zealot? Infestor? There is no unit in WoL with even close to the same funcionality as the colossus. Anyway: The most interesting unit for protoss went out of the window first....let's see what stays... | ||
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:08 testthewest wrote: Then what is an interesting unit to you? Brood Lord? Zealot? Infestor? There is no unit in WoL with even close to the same funcionality as the colossus. Anyway: The most interesting unit for protoss went out of the window first....let's see what stays... Please elaborate on that funcionality. Is it that toss has no clear counter and they just make pvp lategame super retarded (go watch some brood war pvp if you wanna see some awesome stuff), or that it leads tvp to a retarded war of terran somehow getting an army that doesn't have too many vikings or too few so they don't die. Or how it made pvz just zerg trying to somehow kill stalker colossi with roach/hydra/corrupter the first few months after release? | ||
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Halozination
69 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:02 Xenomorph wrote: Does blizzard even know what they are doing with protoss? Removed about the only good ability with the Oracle and then made tempest even worse. No hope left for toss. plus made the preordain ability worse just so the new ability is not completely useless. | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:02 Xenomorph wrote: Does blizzard even know what they are doing with protoss? Removed about the only good ability with the Oracle and then made tempest even worse. No hope left for toss. carrier brought back...with an older ability overload: carrier is locked into place for 12 seconds and interceptors double in attack speed for 6 secounds then dock for 6 seconds for for repairs...... something like that | ||
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Alex06
Canada19 Posts
On September 04 2012 05:15 a176 wrote: for the love of god i will not buy hots if this dumbfuck unit stays in Chill out man, that's what a beta is for. It's not going to be nearly as OP as it may be now when the game ships. | ||
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testthewest
Germany274 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:11 Lorch wrote: Please elaborate on that funcionality. Is it that toss has no clear counter and they just make pvp lategame super retarded (go watch some brood war pvp if you wanna see some awesome stuff), or that it leads tvp to a retarded war of terran somehow getting an army that doesn't have too many vikings or too few so they don't die. Or how it made pvz just zerg trying to somehow kill stalker colossi with roach/hydra/corrupter the first few months after release? The AE is unique (no other unit does damage in a line like that), the cliffwalk ability is rare, being attackable through air is unique (otherwise vikings and corruptors had no place in a vs Toss game at all). The rest you say is a bit strange... What do you want? Terran just mass bio and 4 ghost every game? And whining about what happend when people learned the game - i really don't know what to say about that.. Well, toss has no counter, cause they made void ray useless (wrong targeting, no real damage vs massive, expensive). | ||
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acrimoneyius
United States983 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:08 testthewest wrote: Then what is an interesting unit to you? Brood Lord? Zealot? Infestor? There is no unit in WoL with even close to the same funcionality as the colossus. The brood lord isn't exactly interesting, but the zealot is used throughout the entire game and is at least interesting in PvZ. And while infestor's fungal growth is a stupid spell mainly due to it's anti-micro effect, infested terrans/neural parasite are more interesting than a mobile siege tank that requires the opponent to build a unit which is otherwise useless supply. | ||
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Xenomorph
United States137 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:06 Adonminus wrote: No, I actually believe those are changes in the good direction. Though protoss still hasn't a clear answer to Mech or the Hydra swarmhost viper composition which I fear will also become too good against the protoss. How is that in the right direciton? The oracle is the most changed unit in this game so far, with so many bad changes. How is scanning with the oracle a helpful tool? Observers already fufill that role better. The tempest has pathetic damage for its fire rate, how is that even going to help against a end game deathball that has vipers or any decent air to air? | ||
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stormchaser
Canada1009 Posts
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:20 stormchaser wrote: Wow this thread started to get alot of posts and I thought for a moment that the beta coulda been released but instead it's all QQ Balance whine for a game that didn't even start its beta yet... you sumed it up pretty good | ||
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testthewest
Germany274 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:16 acrimoneyius wrote: The brood lord isn't exactly interesting, but the zealot is used throughout the entire game and is at least interesting in PvZ. And while infestor's fungal growth is a stupid spell mainly due to it's anti-micro effect, infested terrans/neural parasite are more interesting than a mobile siege tank that requires the opponent to build a unit which is otherwise useless supply. What is interesting about being used the entire game? And in ZvP he is so interesting, that nobody builds him later on, because he is so useless watching the B'lords flying in. Or if build, he is a: Throw those minerals somewhere and let them run into a spinecrawler wall at some expansion. Honestly (I hope I can somewhat end the arguement here): Different units appeal to different persons I think. I like the colossus, because Toss needs a second AE options (or it would be templars every game after 12min mark) and the colossus is very different to the HT and different to any other unit in the game. I think at top level, without the colossus, the game would be a lot worse in 2 matchups. Aynway: It's about HotS. I really hope, Blizzard understands, that toss needs high dps units. Otherwise HotS Toss will be the same as WoL Toss, because you can't win a macrogame without either colossus or HT. | ||
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XenoX101
Australia729 Posts
On September 04 2012 05:56 Rah wrote: I approve of most of the changes. Oracles having comsat sweep is a little goofy though, but I can see how it would have the same relationship as mule/ comsat, since the scan energy you would have rather used on a mineral block. I really like this change, before when Preordain had the detection ability you would be forced to keep your army around buildings if you wanted detection, which if you were pushing out would mean making pylons where your army went to not get caught without detection. With the revelation ability you just need to keep an oracle safe near your army, same as you would with an observer. Now I can't wait to start experimenting with Stargate openers in PvT and PvP without being forced into getting a Robo for detection. If these types of openers turn out to be viable particularly with the recent buff to Tempests (not only the damage buff, but there will be so much less overkill with 3.3 attack speed instead of 6), it would do wonders for build diversity in the current PvT & PvP metagame. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:38 testthewest wrote: What is interesting about being used the entire game? And in ZvP he is so interesting, that nobody builds him later on, because he is so useless watching the B'lords flying in. Or if build, he is a: Throw those minerals somewhere and let them run into a spinecrawler wall at some expansion. Honestly (I hope I can somewhat end the arguement here): Different units appeal to different persons I think. I like the colossus, because Toss needs a second AE options (or it would be templars every game after 12min mark) and the colossus is very different to the HT and different to any other unit in the game. I think at top level, without the colossus, the game would be a lot worse in 2 matchups. Aynway: It's about HotS. I really hope, Blizzard understands, that toss needs high dps units. Otherwise HotS Toss will be the same as WoL Toss, because you can't win a macrogame without either colossus or HT. Uh Toss has high DPS units, colossi/templar are very dps and I know you said without either of them but in bw you needed one of them to. You can win with just gateway units but it has to be early game. The problem is you can't buff them or anything thanks to warp in or they would be way to strong. I think hots toss will be the same, need to get templar/colossi and have that strong deathball. I don't see it being different as the only way I can ever see that changing is buffing gateway units and removing warpgate (which we know won't happen sadly). | ||
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Rah
United States973 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:06 Adonminus wrote: No, I actually believe those are changes in the good direction. Though protoss still hasn't a clear answer to Mech or the Hydra swarmhost viper composition which I fear will also become too good against the protoss. No clear answer to mech? The Immortal's lost that dumb shield ability? Thank you Blizzard. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On September 04 2012 06:43 Rah wrote: No clear answer to mech? The Immortal's lost that dumb shield ability? Thank you Blizzard. ha, well in current state immortals barely trade better then warhound...barely. Thats with thier dumb shield ability Yes thank you blizzard | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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