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On May 03 2012 04:07 cmen15 wrote:
140pages wasn't enough you had to come to blogs lololol, don't infect the best part of TL plz, its like my second home haha
Well, after starting a thread making allegations that led to reverberations throughout several SC2 communities; I would expect him to have something to say about the outcome. Not that I necessarily agree on his position, but I think Warden has a right to respond to both Destiny's allegations as well as the criticism from Destiny's fans. Doesn't mean you all have to agree with him, but I think you should at least listen to what he has to say. Part of the reason yesterday's shit storm got as big as it did was because no one was willing to listen to anyone else.
On May 03 2012 04:09 Cruncharoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:39 WardenSC wrote:
As a community, are we really going to condone a public figure (whether he likes it or not, or whether I want to admit it or not, this is true), such as Destiny, who draws in thousands of viewers, to openly racially insult other people in streams in public?
The reason he is a public figure is because he pulls in thousands of viewers. The reason he pulls in thousands of viewers is because his personality (including his use of language). So, yes, the community has decided on this one and they are willing to accept him. If they weren't willing to accept him then he wouldn't have views and wouldn't be prominent. Sorry.
Really? From my perspective, about 50% of the replies in that thread were on the opposite end of the argument. Quite a few people are clearly not okay with Destiny's conduct. Obviously the TL staff wasn't okay with his conduct either; so I'm not sure how you can imply that this was some type of open and shut case.
On May 03 2012 04:19 Mattchew wrote:
As a community, are we really going to condone a public figure (whether he likes it or not, or whether I want to admit it or not, this is true), such as Warden, whose threads draws in thousands of viewers, to openly demand punishment over B.Net chat on TL.net forums in public?
Let's be fair, Warden's thread isn't what caused the shit storm. It was a catalyst that unleased a number of issues that had been quietly simmering under the surface. The anger against Destiny wasn't just about the b.net chat; it was about the content of Destiny's stream, his attitude, and his conduct and whether or not someone such as that should be featured. Conversely, I think the reaction of many Destiny fans was probably stemming from some of the ongoing criticisms of Destiny, so again the thread was a catalyst there as well.
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You are the most wise Toast^^^ I have ever met <3
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I condone the market choosing the results.
If you want to effect a change in this or any other situation regarding a player on a major team, don't waste your time with Quantic. Find the people who supply Quantic with its funding and inform them that regardless of the quality of their product, you and anyone you can convince to join you will no longer be purchasing them.
Will your message matter? No, not unless it is joined with many, many more. But occasionally enough people will take the initiative to make something happen. Remember the Limbaugh/Fluke controversy a couple months ago (probably American only concern)? While a bunch of idiots were calling for the FCC to pull his license, a few motivated groups managed to level the power of the wallet and managed to pull him from over 50 radio stations. Believe me, if enough people agree with you, Quantic will get the message.
Personally, I hope you fail in your efforts. Destiny is a perfect reminder of how utterly insignificant the whole SC2 experience should be in the grand scheme of the real world. In the face of so many people foregoing education and gainful employment to "go pro", I like having that scraggly little guy as the icon for the utmost limit of possibility for the majority of folks who pursue that life. And the ability to shoot one's mouth off saying such things IS the exact dividing line between his activities and relevance in life.
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Lol, for fucks sake kid just let it go, the massive shitstorm thread was closed and he was banned for some time, why wouldn't this one be closed?
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He lost featured status. He was banned. Be happy. Let it die.
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On May 03 2012 04:23 LuckyFool wrote:
I'm sure Quantic was(is) fully aware of destiny's past and his current actions.
Is this thread really necessary? The decision is theirs, we've already had a 140 page thread on the matter....
Yup. Not sure why you are so intent on trying to get destiny in trouble warden, you must really hate him to try so hard xD.
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I guess it was only a matter of time, after the whole orb fiasco, until something like this took place again. This kind of drama is disgusting. Your previous thread was locked for a reason, if I were you I'd have taken the hint and not gone on to embarass myself further.
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On May 03 2012 04:33 DueSs wrote:
He lost featured status. He was banned. Be happy. Let it die.
Featured status is only for the duration of the ban.
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Yeah stop that witchhunt.
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On May 03 2012 04:38 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:33 DueSs wrote:
He lost featured status. He was banned. Be happy. Let it die. Featured status is only for the duration of the ban.
Still, TL took a stand. Hopefully he learns his lesson, maybe not. But one can hope
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The OP is the "victim". If he is offended or disgusted, he is fully right to be able to voice his concerns since.. he is in fact, involved. Some people don't get offended as easily, some more touchy but that doesn't make what Destiny do correct. If this were some random viewer getting offended.. then don't watch his stream but this is the victim himself.
Let him do as he please just as Destiny did and we will see what goes on from here.
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Butthurt: (n)
An inappropriately strong negative emotional response from a perceived personal insult. Characterized by strong feelings of shame. Frequently associated with a cessation of communication and overt hostility towards the "aggressor."
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Wait I obviously missed the controversy and apparently the thread got closed. Am I correct in guessing that Destiny made fun of someone over the internet - using racist terms - and said person got butthurt and opened a thread on TL. This lead to Destiny getting banned and unfeatured because someone is a little bitch.
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I think if you really want something to happen, you should contact Quantic management directly instead of trying to gather attention from the community
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
I believe Warden has a right to express himself, and he has done so respectfully and reasonably. Also I like his deathball strat.
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On May 03 2012 04:28 SaintBadger wrote:
I condone the market choosing the results.
If you want to effect a change in this or any other situation regarding a player on a major team, don't waste your time with Quantic. Find the people who supply Quantic with its funding and inform them that regardless of the quality of their product, you and anyone you can convince to join you will no longer be purchasing them.
Will your message matter? No, not unless it is joined with many, many more. But occasionally enough people will take the initiative to make something happen. Remember the Limbaugh/Fluke controversy a couple months ago (probably American only concern)? While a bunch of idiots were calling for the FCC to pull his license, a few motivated groups managed to level the power of the wallet and managed to pull him from over 50 radio stations. Believe me, if enough people agree with you, Quantic will get the message.
Personally, I hope you fail in your efforts. Destiny is a perfect reminder of how utterly insignificant the whole SC2 experience should be in the grand scheme of the real world. In the face of so many people foregoing education and gainful employment to "go pro", I like having that scraggly little guy as the icon for the utmost limit of possibility for the majority of folks who pursue that life. And the ability to shoot one's mouth off saying such things IS the exact dividing line between his activities and relevance in life.
Your point is well made, except I don't understand the inclusion of the opinion that the SC2 experience is "utterly irrelevant". What is this "real world" you're talking about? How is it objectively distinct from "the SC2 experience"? Does that mean when Destiny acts like an asshole, it's not real? I'm not trying to suggest that everyone can grow up and have competitive gaming careers, nor that having a stream viewership means you're running for president. But to cast aside how many man-hours of attention put into this community and its goings-on as so much nothing... that doesn't even make sense.
It especially doesn't make sense when you consider the thousands of people apparently condoning deplorable behavior. Why is Warden taking shit from them? Shouldn't they... grow a pair?
You guys are pretty sensitive for espousing such an indifference to negativity.
If, on the other hand, there is a real argument to be had about public racism and/or the public use of racist language, it requires a much higher level of knowledge and discussion than what I've been seeing. Either way the Warden haters are a complete let-down, on all fronts.
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On May 03 2012 04:25 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:09 Cruncharoo wrote:On May 03 2012 03:39 WardenSC wrote:
As a community, are we really going to condone a public figure (whether he likes it or not, or whether I want to admit it or not, this is true), such as Destiny, who draws in thousands of viewers, to openly racially insult other people in streams in public?
The reason he is a public figure is because he pulls in thousands of viewers. The reason he pulls in thousands of viewers is because his personality (including his use of language). So, yes, the community has decided on this one and they are willing to accept him. If they weren't willing to accept him then he wouldn't have views and wouldn't be prominent. Sorry. Really? From my perspective, about 50% of the replies in that thread were on the opposite end of the argument. Quite a few people are clearly not okay with Destiny's conduct. Obviously the TL staff wasn't okay with his conduct either; so I'm not sure how you can imply that this was some type of open and shut case.
I'm saying even if 50% of the people disagree and don't want him around it doesn't really matter. There are still going to be thousands of people who watch him whenever he turns on his computer and they are still going to talk about him using the same modes of communication that the rest of the community does. Because of this he is still going to be a prominent member of the community.
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Im really curious as to what age you are? Where you really this butthurt from a ladder game that you had to go and seek attention like this? Lets be honest here, you are a mediocre mid-masters player who dosen't really have much going for him, you see an opportunity to thrust yourself into the limelight because a moderately famous starcraft ( who obviously isn't racist) called you a gook.
I just can't believe that you got offended over this shit.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
For the purposes of TL, I think this discussion is over. If you're worried about people calling you names and saying things like "grow a pair"... well, welcome to the world of being a public figure.
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