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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 18:51:55
May 14 2012 18:51 GMT
#1761
On May 15 2012 03:27 ecstatica wrote:
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On May 14 2012 14:23 Tien wrote:
On May 14 2012 12:43 akalarry wrote:
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what a disgrace


Flop?

Look closer, he got elbowed in the throat on the elbow turn around.

Let me do that exact move on you when you don't expect it.


Lmao hes grabbing top of his chest, not throat. He wasnt sure what to do but he definitely made it clear he was touched lol


And at different spots lol.

I think he made a meal of that one but he gets hit alot worse and more often without complaining so I dont see the problem. Maybe you can criticize him for being bad at it which would just mean he doesnt do it enough and hence lacks practice.
Geosensation
Profile Joined March 2011
United States256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 18:54:09
May 14 2012 18:52 GMT
#1762
On May 14 2012 12:43 akalarry wrote:
[image loading]

what a disgrace


lol he got elbowed in the throat. I was watching and my first reaction was to go back and replay it a few times because you can't trust anybody anymore. He was not faking that. You could tell from the ensuing action that it was bothering him and he was making some weird noises because of it, when it would make absolutely no sense to keep acting because it wouldn't benefit him.

The way he leans back is a little exaggerated of course, but the throat is a pretty important part of the body, I think it's legit.
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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
May 14 2012 19:18 GMT
#1763
Damn, these quick series turnarounds seem potentially devastating. A team that goes 4-0 beforehand has quite an advantage on a team that wins 4-3 in their first series and has one day to rest before the next series. I'm not saying its unfair, because the team that wins faster should be rewarded I guess. It just seems brutal for the team that grinds out a close win in a series, then has to be sharp and ready to go in a couple days. I think OKC should be able to take the Lakers pretty easy now..
=)=
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
May 14 2012 19:44 GMT
#1764
pfft, in bostons and phillys case they went 4-2 each and had to play on one days rest.
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MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
May 14 2012 20:11 GMT
#1765
It s a double edged sword though, on the first game the team that played recently often looks better and more energetic. I guess you get rusty after a while, the Spurs and Thunder havent played in a week and a half so we ll see.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
May 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#1766
People accused LeBron of flopping on the Chandler screen even though that was a really hard hit. Both times he throws his arms in the air in a really exaggerated fashion. Both times it seems like he does it too quickly for it to be faked, unless he has cat-like reflexes. I think he just turns into a flailing arm inflatable tube man whenever he gets hit.

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XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 21:46:59
May 14 2012 21:45 GMT
#1767
The quick turnarounds are going to be tough for both LA teams.

The Lakers were already playing tired ball in the Denver series, and it was killing them against a quick and athletic team. The Thunder are like the Nuggets but better, and they'll have had lots of time to rest, have practices to iron out some wrinkles in their games, and prepare for the Lakers. The Lakers struggle with young and athletic teams in general. Having to play arguably the best young and athletic team in the league with only one day of rest after playing another young and athletic team is going to be huge. The back-to-back games this weekend are going to be killer.

The Clippers are younger, but they're dealing with injuries to their two best players who could really use some rest. For the Spurs, any rest time for their big 3 is welcome and makes them that much more deadly. I don't see any issues with them being rusty because they're too well-coached and are too savvy and experienced to let extra days off throw them off their game.

If it was a matter of just a few days difference, then it wouldn't be as big of a deal. But both OKC and SAS swept their opponents, while both LAL and LAC needed 7 games to advance. There couldn't be a bigger disparity in rest, and there's no other season where every bit of rest and practice time is more important.
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
May 14 2012 21:57 GMT
#1768
On May 15 2012 06:45 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
The quick turnarounds are going to be tough for both LA teams.

The Lakers were already playing tired ball in the Denver series, and it was killing them against a quick and athletic team. The Thunder are like the Nuggets but better, and they'll have had lots of time to rest, have practices to iron out some wrinkles in their games, and prepare for the Lakers. The Lakers struggle with young and athletic teams in general. Having to play arguably the best young and athletic team in the league with only one day of rest after playing another young and athletic team is going to be huge. The back-to-back games this weekend are going to be killer.

The Clippers are younger, but they're dealing with injuries to their two best players who could really use some rest. For the Spurs, any rest time for their big 3 is welcome and makes them that much more deadly. I don't see any issues with them being rusty because they're too well-coached and are too savvy and experienced to let extra days off throw them off their game.

If it was a matter of just a few days difference, then it wouldn't be as big of a deal. But both OKC and SAS swept their opponents, while both LAL and LAC needed 7 games to advance. There couldn't be a bigger disparity in rest, and there's no other season where every bit of rest and practice time is more important.

Yep, this is pretty much spot on.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 22:40:48
May 14 2012 22:39 GMT
#1769
Btw, found an old random article while browsing through some more recent articles that I found to be an interesting read: http://getbuckets.fantake.com/2010/11/22/scouting-101-the-five-tool-basketball-player-and-a-look-at-uts-nba-prospects/

It basically breaks down the essential elements of an NBA basketball player in a way that I haven't seen in other articles before, i.e. the ability to create a shot, the ability to defend a position, the ability to shoot jumpers, the ability to rebound, and the ability to pass the ball. It's an interesting way to look at NBA players and assess their strengths/weaknesses and utility to an NBA team.

Dirk as the example of a shot creator is a great one as he's the best one in the league in my opinion. Keep in mind, this factor is referring to a player's ability to create a shot for himself, not for his teammates. There's no other player in the league who can consistently get the shots he wants as easily as Dirk. As the article states, there are very few players who are even physically capable (let alone skilled enough) of affecting Dirk's shot. His combination of height, release point, perimeter shooting, and ball-handling make him about as impossible to guard as it gets. I see Durant being capable of turning himself into that type of player if he can bulk up (allowing him to establish and maintain good position) and develope a mid-range post game.

The discussion of a player's ability to defend a position actually talks about how useful a player is if he can guard multiple positions, and how much of a liability he is if he can't guard anyone. The example of Morrison was great because he was literally unusable in the NBA as a result of his inability to defend anyone. Redick started off in the same boat, but eventually turned himself into a capable defender and thus preserving his career in the NBA.

Another interesting part of this section is that it identifies wingspan as the most important physical characteristic, which is not surprising but still worth mentioning. The article references Pippen, Olajuwon and Marion as examples of this, and I couldn't think of better examples. The first thing that came to my mind when reading this was that Blake's ability to defend will always be limited because of his lack of wingspan, and that's assuming he improves on defense in other areas, i.e. defensive awareness.

The ability to knock down shots from the perimeter is the most obvious skillset, and the one that needs the least explanation/discussion.

In terms of discussing rebounding and passing ability, the article discusses it in the context of how the two skills are usually inversely related in relation to height (i.e. less height = better passing and worse reboundings, and vice-versa), and talks about how useful players are when they break that mold. PGs who can rebound like Rondo allow fast breaks to start faster, and bigs who can pass like Pau have more passing angles and a better ability to look over defenses. Dirk took a major step in his evolution as a player when he improved his passing as he was able to take advantage of his consistent height advantage over his defenders to make defenses pay for doubling him. People don't mention this part of Lebron's game as often as they should, as his height advantage over the players who usually guard him make him capable of making passes that many PGs can't.

Lastly, the article talks about how rare and valuable players who have all five abilities are in the league. It lists Deron, Kobe, Melo, Odom and Pau as examples, while pointing out that Lebron is harder to build around due to his weakness in perimeter shooting that makes him less effective playing off the ball. I would argue that Wade falls into the same category as Lebron for the same reason, which is why the two have struggles to effectively play off of each other at times. Melo seems to be a strange choice, but actually does fit all of those categories. His issue is that he chooses to play in a way that makes him very difficult to play with on offense (ball-dominating while not helping his teammates' offense), but I believe he could become an effective off-the-ball player if he wanted to as he did with Team USA due to his ability to shoot from the perimeter. It'll be interesting to see if Melo ever makes that transition.
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
May 14 2012 22:40 GMT
#1770
The elbow was certainly there, but it didn't make enough contact for Lebron to react like that. It was more like a slight push with it than a thrust. Let's face it. He's a habitual flopper. He has flopped, he is flopping, and will continue to flop. That's just Lebron.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
May 14 2012 23:02 GMT
#1771
There was an interview they did of david stern in the 2nd quarter of I-forgot-which-game where they asked him about flopping in the NBA and he pretty much agreed with general consensus. He said they should start handing out Oscars soon because the rules are pretty much about tricking the referees. It was surprising to hear but maybe some changes will be coming towards that in the future.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Bonzinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia862 Posts
May 14 2012 23:03 GMT
#1772
You guys sure like to talk about plays that don't matter at all. There was no foul called on that play btw. Just fyi.
I bet if you get touched by anyones elbow guarding anyone when your not expecting it you'll snap back instantly.
It's called reflex.
Flaping around your arms trying to show what happened is not flopping. If ref buys it, which he didn't, it's refs fault.
But i guess flaping your arms is flopping for you gents.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 00:30:12
May 15 2012 00:24 GMT
#1773
On May 15 2012 08:03 Bonzinator wrote:
You guys sure like to talk about plays that don't matter at all. There was no foul called on that play btw. Just fyi.
I bet if you get touched by anyones elbow guarding anyone when your not expecting it you'll snap back instantly.
It's called reflex.
Flaping around your arms trying to show what happened is not flopping. If ref buys it, which he didn't, it's refs fault.
But i guess flaping your arms is flopping for you gents.

Lol I am going to answer you in your own way. Just fyi.
Thx for the definition of reflex btw...now I wanna know wtf flaping is?
Can u just quote who said Lebron was flopping on that play? (assuming you are talking of that gif). B/c the only person who got close to it was BlueRoyal and his point was to say he wasn't even sure. Telcontar probably was the main one to imply it. So if you are going to generalize like that please just call out who said it.
And you jump in to bring the topic back to the specific play you say doesn't matter at all? How about changing the topic something more interesting then? or not saying anything at all? ridiculous...
I didn't even say anything about it. Just tired of people just posting in here to complain about, yet not improve the quality..
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
May 15 2012 00:43 GMT
#1774
Celtic/Sixer game is pretty dry. FG% is awful for both teams.
Bonzinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia862 Posts
May 15 2012 00:48 GMT
#1775
On May 15 2012 09:24 MassHysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 08:03 Bonzinator wrote:
You guys sure like to talk about plays that don't matter at all. There was no foul called on that play btw. Just fyi.
I bet if you get touched by anyones elbow guarding anyone when your not expecting it you'll snap back instantly.
It's called reflex.
Flaping around your arms trying to show what happened is not flopping. If ref buys it, which he didn't, it's refs fault.
But i guess flaping your arms is flopping for you gents.

Lol I am going to answer you in your own way. Just fyi.
Thx for the definition of reflex btw...now I wanna know wtf flaping is?
Can u just quote who said Lebron was flopping on that play? (assuming you are talking of that gif). B/c the only person who got close to it was BlueRoyal and his point was to say he wasn't even sure. Telcontar probably was the main one to imply it. So if you are going to generalize like that please just call out who said it.
And you jump in to bring the topic back to the specific play you say doesn't matter at all? How about changing the topic something more interesting then? or not saying anything at all? ridiculous...
I didn't even say anything about it. Just tired of people just posting in here to complain about, yet not improve the quality..


I guess you can make a case that i am generalizing. But come on, posting a gif of something useless like Lebron reacting after a non call is just silly.

If you wan't we can talk about something interesting for sure. How about Philly leading Boston. Looks like another close one incoming.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
May 15 2012 01:04 GMT
#1776
On May 15 2012 09:24 MassHysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 08:03 Bonzinator wrote:
You guys sure like to talk about plays that don't matter at all. There was no foul called on that play btw. Just fyi.
I bet if you get touched by anyones elbow guarding anyone when your not expecting it you'll snap back instantly.
It's called reflex.
Flaping around your arms trying to show what happened is not flopping. If ref buys it, which he didn't, it's refs fault.
But i guess flaping your arms is flopping for you gents.

Lol I am going to answer you in your own way. Just fyi.
Thx for the definition of reflex btw...now I wanna know wtf flaping is?
Can u just quote who said Lebron was flopping on that play? (assuming you are talking of that gif). B/c the only person who got close to it was BlueRoyal and his point was to say he wasn't even sure. Telcontar probably was the main one to imply it. So if you are going to generalize like that please just call out who said it.
And you jump in to bring the topic back to the specific play you say doesn't matter at all? How about changing the topic something more interesting then? or not saying anything at all? ridiculous...
I didn't even say anything about it. Just tired of people just posting in here to complain about, yet not improve the quality..


eh, the guy that originally posted the gif is obviously implying that he flopped. What other interpretation could you get from the gif with the line "what a disgrace"?
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 01:17:54
May 15 2012 01:16 GMT
#1777
On May 15 2012 10:04 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 09:24 MassHysteria wrote:
On May 15 2012 08:03 Bonzinator wrote:
You guys sure like to talk about plays that don't matter at all. There was no foul called on that play btw. Just fyi.
I bet if you get touched by anyones elbow guarding anyone when your not expecting it you'll snap back instantly.
It's called reflex.
Flaping around your arms trying to show what happened is not flopping. If ref buys it, which he didn't, it's refs fault.
But i guess flaping your arms is flopping for you gents.

Lol I am going to answer you in your own way. Just fyi.
Thx for the definition of reflex btw...now I wanna know wtf flaping is?
Can u just quote who said Lebron was flopping on that play? (assuming you are talking of that gif). B/c the only person who got close to it was BlueRoyal and his point was to say he wasn't even sure. Telcontar probably was the main one to imply it. So if you are going to generalize like that please just call out who said it.
And you jump in to bring the topic back to the specific play you say doesn't matter at all? How about changing the topic something more interesting then? or not saying anything at all? ridiculous...
I didn't even say anything about it. Just tired of people just posting in here to complain about, yet not improve the quality..


eh, the guy that originally posted the gif is obviously implying that he flopped. What other interpretation could you get from the gif with the line "what a disgrace"?

lol fair enough. Not watching Philly-Bos game but nice. I still give the edge to old-school basketball for the series but could go either way it seems.

As for the other game, if OKC comes out sloppy or LA(Bynum for the most part) comes out playing well I am feeling(hoping lol) an LA steal. Then set them up able to play on house money on Wed. Too many ifs though, gotta see how the teams come out.

edit: now hearing Bos game
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Bonzinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia862 Posts
May 15 2012 01:19 GMT
#1778
Wow, big bucket after big bucket, sick ending. Would like to see that replay of that loose ball, that resulted BOS ball and a fast 3. Got a feeling it went of Rondos foot. Dunno.
Bonzinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia862 Posts
May 15 2012 01:24 GMT
#1779
LA vs OKC is going to be great series. I hope, just from basketball fan point, that it will go to game 7.

Let's see, ray allen 3 incoming?
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
May 15 2012 01:27 GMT
#1780
KG finally called on a moving screen during crunch time.

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