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It's been corrected, it's 46calls since 2001.
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On March 23 2012 08:31 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. This is the first I have heard about Zimmerman being in the police academy. Do you have a source for this or is it just more over the top fictional dramatization?
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/21/2706804/lawmaker-presses-justice-for-trayvon.html
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On March 23 2012 08:36 NotSorry wrote:It's been corrected, it's 46calls since 2001.
is the 400 calls in january and february 2011 still accurate? that place sounds kind of scary.
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On March 23 2012 08:38 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:36 NotSorry wrote:On March 23 2012 08:34 dAPhREAk wrote:so, apparently there were 402 calls to the police for this particular housing complex during the time that zimmerman called them 40 times (i.e., since January 2011). http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/2700249/shooter-of-trayvon-martin-a-habitual.html“He once caught a thief and an arrest was made,” said Cynthia Wibker, secretary of the homeowners association. “He helped solve a lot of crimes.” It's been corrected, it's 46calls since 2001. is the 400 calls in january and february 2011 still accurate? that place sounds kind of scary.
Sounds like Miami to me, they have a pretty high crime rate obviously some areas of it are worse than others
Also it says he once attended a citizen police academy which is a lot different that the Police Academy that you go to become a police officer and it says nothing of him failing or anything considering it's damn near impossible to fail one since it's generally a tiny one day or weekend class that gives a little insight to the law and a tiny bit of self defense.
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On March 23 2012 08:29 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. and you have a record of these calls? Or his release from the academy?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68912193/News/Past-911-call-George-Zimmerman-reports-two-black-males#pl-62773735
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On March 23 2012 08:37 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:31 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. This is the first I have heard about Zimmerman being in the police academy. Do you have a source for this or is it just more over the top fictional dramatization? http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/21/2706804/lawmaker-presses-justice-for-trayvon.html
Citizen Police Academy is not even close to what you are thinking of.
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On March 23 2012 08:43 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:29 NotSorry wrote:On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. and you have a record of these calls? Or his release from the academy? http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68912193/News/Past-911-call-George-Zimmerman-reports-two-black-males#pl-62773735
Your source has been corrected by a dozen others posted in this thread. It was 46 calls in 11years and a citizen's police academy which is a one day or weekend course that means nothing.
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On March 23 2012 08:37 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:31 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. This is the first I have heard about Zimmerman being in the police academy. Do you have a source for this or is it just more over the top fictional dramatization? http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/21/2706804/lawmaker-presses-justice-for-trayvon.html X
So, fictional dramatization then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_Police_Academy
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Based on the information in the article it seems that anyone could murder someone without any witnesses getting clear view of the incident, admit to the murder, and simply claim it was in self defence. I seriously hope that I am missing something. They just took his word that he killed in self defence and he wasn't even arrested?
Were there other witnesses who saw that Martin attacked Zimmerman first? Did someone get an expert to analyze the audio and conclude that Zimmerman was the one yelling for help? I understand "innocent until proven guilty", but I feel that citizens, should have some SERIOUS explaining to do (evidence to submit) if they are going to actively pursue a confrontation like Zimmerman did with a loaded firearm.
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On March 23 2012 08:45 Lockitupv2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:37 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 08:31 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. This is the first I have heard about Zimmerman being in the police academy. Do you have a source for this or is it just more over the top fictional dramatization? http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/21/2706804/lawmaker-presses-justice-for-trayvon.html Citizen Police Academy is not even close to what you are thinking of.
Hmm? I'm not thinking of anything lol. I just read a comment that wanted a source, so I typed "police academy Zimmerman" into Google and picked out the most relevant article. You guys can dissect it and decide what you want about what kind of police academy it was, etc. I guess the conclusion is that it was a citizen's police academy, and not a police academy. Right. Okay. Moving on..? Wasn't the dude who originally brought it up just trying to paint a picture of a guy a little too concerned with police activities? I feel like this still supports that point, even if it's not really that significant.
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On March 23 2012 08:48 xOchievax wrote:
Based on the information in the article it seems that anyone could murder someone without any witnesses getting clear view of the incident, admit to the murder, and simply claim it was in self defence. I seriously hope that I am missing something. They just took his word that he killed in self defence and he wasn't even arrested?
Were there other witnesses who saw that Martin attacked Zimmerman first? Did someone get an expert to analyze the audio and conclude that Zimmerman was the one yelling for help? I understand "innocent until proven guilty", but I feel that citizens, should have some SERIOUS explaining to do (evidence to submit) if they are going to actively pursue a confrontation like Zimmerman did with a loaded firearm.
No, there are no witness that saw the start of the fight, the first witness to see anything had Treyvon mounted on top of Zimmerman punching him, then lost vision and came back to see Treyvon laying to the side assumed to be dead.
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On March 23 2012 08:30 ranshaked wrote:
Can we get a big red thing at the top with the facts or something?
No. Facts will only hinder our editorializing. Carry on people, with your pronouncements of judgement, and your sweeping criticisms of the laws or society this event event took place in.
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On March 23 2012 08:45 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:43 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 08:29 NotSorry wrote:On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. and you have a record of these calls? Or his release from the academy? http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68912193/News/Past-911-call-George-Zimmerman-reports-two-black-males#pl-62773735 Your source has been corrected by a dozen others posted in this thread. It was 46 calls in 11years and a citizen's police academy which is a one day or weekend course that means nothing.
Can you just leave this thread now? You ask for proof of the 911 calls. I gave that to you. Instead you just continue posting the same stuff with little to no memory of what you asked less than one page ago.
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i dont get it, why is it legal at all to FOLLOW someone in the dead of night? isnt that, stalking.....? what the fuck would you do if you had someone you dont know following you around at night? who is to say martin wasnt trying to defend himself? a wierdo he doesnt know in his late 20s was following him around practically stalking him after all.
why is that an "ok" thing to let go or ignore? seriously?
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On March 23 2012 08:50 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:45 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 08:37 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 08:31 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. This is the first I have heard about Zimmerman being in the police academy. Do you have a source for this or is it just more over the top fictional dramatization? http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/21/2706804/lawmaker-presses-justice-for-trayvon.html Citizen Police Academy is not even close to what you are thinking of. Hmm? I'm not thinking of anything lol. I just read a comment that wanted a source, so I typed "police academy Zimmerman" into Google and picked out the most relevant article. You guys can dissect it and decide what you want about what kind of police academy it was, etc. I guess the conclusion is that it was a citizen's police academy, and not a police academy. Right. Okay. Moving on..? Wasn't the dude who originally brought it up just trying to paint a picture of a guy a little too concerned with police activities? I feel like this still supports that point, even if it's not really that significant.
How exactly can someone be "too concerned" with police activities?
If everyone cared about the law and protecting their neighbors as much as Zimmerman maybe Miami wouldn't be so crime ridden.
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On March 23 2012 08:57 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:50 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 08:45 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 08:37 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 08:31 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:
Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded.
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Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop.
This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. This is the first I have heard about Zimmerman being in the police academy. Do you have a source for this or is it just more over the top fictional dramatization? http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/21/2706804/lawmaker-presses-justice-for-trayvon.html Citizen Police Academy is not even close to what you are thinking of. Hmm? I'm not thinking of anything lol. I just read a comment that wanted a source, so I typed "police academy Zimmerman" into Google and picked out the most relevant article. You guys can dissect it and decide what you want about what kind of police academy it was, etc. I guess the conclusion is that it was a citizen's police academy, and not a police academy. Right. Okay. Moving on..? Wasn't the dude who originally brought it up just trying to paint a picture of a guy a little too concerned with police activities? I feel like this still supports that point, even if it's not really that significant. How exactly can someone be "too concerned" with police activities? If everyone cared about the law and protecting their neighbors as much as Zimmerman maybe Miami wouldn't be so crime ridden.
that is very very biased and flawed. if that was the case you could easily just kill someone in cold blood that you "think" was committing a crime and just say you were acting in self defense.
oh wait...
a untrained citizen has no right to try and be a "hero" or a vigilante and stop a crime. all they have to do is report it to the police and let them handle it. they do not have to follow someone around all night ffs. that not only puts yourself in danger, but it can also lead up to innocent blood being spilt for no reason other than ignorance
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On March 23 2012 08:57 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:50 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 08:45 Lockitupv2 wrote:On March 23 2012 08:37 FallDownMarigold wrote:On March 23 2012 08:31 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:
Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded.
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Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop.
This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. This is the first I have heard about Zimmerman being in the police academy. Do you have a source for this or is it just more over the top fictional dramatization? http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/21/2706804/lawmaker-presses-justice-for-trayvon.html Citizen Police Academy is not even close to what you are thinking of. Hmm? I'm not thinking of anything lol. I just read a comment that wanted a source, so I typed "police academy Zimmerman" into Google and picked out the most relevant article. You guys can dissect it and decide what you want about what kind of police academy it was, etc. I guess the conclusion is that it was a citizen's police academy, and not a police academy. Right. Okay. Moving on..? Wasn't the dude who originally brought it up just trying to paint a picture of a guy a little too concerned with police activities? I feel like this still supports that point, even if it's not really that significant. How exactly can someone be "too concerned" with police activities? If everyone cared about the law and protecting their neighbors as much as Zimmerman maybe Miami wouldn't be so crime ridden.
Or they would just be flooded with calls. Not enough manpower to check them all out, then with the majority of the calls leading into nothing. That will easily make Miami a safer place, because whenever you see a black man looking around call the cops!
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On March 23 2012 08:54 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:45 NotSorry wrote:On March 23 2012 08:43 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 08:29 NotSorry wrote:On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. and you have a record of these calls? Or his release from the academy? http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68912193/News/Past-911-call-George-Zimmerman-reports-two-black-males#pl-62773735 Your source has been corrected by a dozen others posted in this thread. It was 46 calls in 11years and a citizen's police academy which is a one day or weekend course that means nothing. Can you just leave this thread now? You ask for proof of the 911 calls. I gave that to you. Instead you just continue posting the same stuff with little to no memory of what you asked less than one page ago.
You linked the calls, thank you, but my statement still stands or did you not read your own post where you claimed it was 46 calls in ONE year not 10, then went on some over dramatization of him failing a police academy and turning into some psychopath vigilante. You're just making up shit and pissed that you got called on it.
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On March 23 2012 08:57 Ballistixz wrote:
i dont get it, why is it legal at all to FOLLOW someone in the dead of night? isnt that, stalking.....? what the fuck would you do if you had someone you dont know following you around at night? who is to say martin wasnt trying to defend himself? a wierdo he doesnt know in his late 20s was following him around practically stalking him after all.
why is that an "ok" thing to let go or ignore? seriously?
No, it is not stalking. Why would it be illegal?
I certainly would not assault a stranger, pin them to the ground, and beat them in the head while they scream for help because they followed me or asked me what I was doing.
I don't know anyone who would do such a thing and I hope I never meet you if you think that is normal behaviour or acceptable in any way.
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