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On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing.
Unfortunately, you are making a big assumption that the kid was the one to start the confrontation. The vigilante's behaviour points to a person looking for a fight. Not the other way around.
Also, ever heard of proportionate response?
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On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing.
I don't know for sure, but I don't think they were on public property. It sounds like they were on someones private property when the fight happened. And it seems like the only evidence that Zimmerman had that Tray was up to no good was.
1. Rash of crimes in the area
2. He is a young black man in a hoodie who is "looking around" while walking down the street
Thats not enough to stalk someone ask what they are up to, accuse them of no good. Even as a "watchman" you should have some common sense that confronting people like that can lead to misunderstandings. This all happened very very fast and I doubt either of them thought about it much. They reacted to what was happening, and they aren't trained to react in those situations (like a cop is).
Its a lose lose situation for both families.
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On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing.
"Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin...
I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call.
Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ...
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On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ...
the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected.
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On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected.
Ok, I dont know if that is true, havent seen that statement myself, but even 46 times in 10 years is INSANE lol, who does that? I am 26 and I have never called 911...
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This is fucked up, just by reading Zimmerman's responses and general demeanor in his dialect, you can see typical stereotyping, and flat out racism. Self-empowered whacko, thinking he's cleansing the world of evil? Stealthblue got it right, this is just flat out murder, and a hate crime.
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I believe the reverend sharpton protest is starting in a few. I hope the crowd can stay calm
Ps I'm 22 and I've called 911 at least 20 times since I was 16. Mostly for reporting accidents and fights.
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On March 23 2012 08:04 Atoissen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. Ok, I dont know if that is true, havent seen that statement myself, but even 46 times in 10 years is INSANE lol, who does that? I am 26 and I have never called 911...
Neighborhood watches call police.
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On March 23 2012 07:44 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:44 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:39 forgottendreams wrote:
Barbaric act of a zealous moron You're referring to Trayvon's act of pinning someone on the ground and beating them in the head as they scream for help, right? Unless you are truly convinced the screams in the phone call come from a 26 year 250+ lb man, sure.
I have no idea what either of the men involved in the altercation sound like when they are panicking and screaming for help. Neither do you. So let us refer to the eyewitness who saw who the screams came from:
Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John. John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot. "And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point." http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation
The case seems pretty clear, unless this witness is lying.
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On March 23 2012 08:04 Atoissen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. Ok, I dont know if that is true, havent seen that statement myself, but even 46 times in 10 years is INSANE lol, who does that? I am 26 and I have never called 911...
You live in Norway? It makes perfect sense that you would not need to call the police frequently when you live in a low crime area.
I don't see how your circumstances apply to this case, however.
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On March 23 2012 08:08 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:44 forgottendreams wrote:On March 23 2012 07:44 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:39 forgottendreams wrote:
Barbaric act of a zealous moron You're referring to Trayvon's act of pinning someone on the ground and beating them in the head as they scream for help, right? Unless you are truly convinced the screams in the phone call come from a 26 year 250+ lb man, sure. I have no idea what either of the men involved in the altercation sound like when they are panicking and screaming for help. Neither do you. So let us refer to the eyewitness who saw who the screams came from: Show nested quote +Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John. John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot. "And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point." http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation The case seems pretty clear, unless this witness is lying.
Again, not self-defense if he provokes it. You still continue to falsely assert that the vigilante was acting in self-defense when his behaviour (ie. ignoring 911 operator's instruction to NOT follow, bringing the 9mm from his car expecting a confrontation) points to someone who was looking for a fight.
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On March 23 2012 08:15 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:08 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:44 forgottendreams wrote:On March 23 2012 07:44 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:39 forgottendreams wrote:
Barbaric act of a zealous moron You're referring to Trayvon's act of pinning someone on the ground and beating them in the head as they scream for help, right? Unless you are truly convinced the screams in the phone call come from a 26 year 250+ lb man, sure. I have no idea what either of the men involved in the altercation sound like when they are panicking and screaming for help. Neither do you. So let us refer to the eyewitness who saw who the screams came from: Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John. John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot. "And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point." http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation The case seems pretty clear, unless this witness is lying. Again, not self-defense if he provokes it. You still continue to falsely assert that the vigilante was acting in self-defense when his behaviour (ie. ignoring 911 operator's instruction to NOT follow, bringing the 9mm from his car expecting a confrontation) points to someone who was looking for a fight.
Following someone and carrying a weapon in case they turn out to be dangerous do not preclude self defense.
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On March 23 2012 08:15 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:08 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:44 forgottendreams wrote:On March 23 2012 07:44 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:39 forgottendreams wrote:
Barbaric act of a zealous moron You're referring to Trayvon's act of pinning someone on the ground and beating them in the head as they scream for help, right? Unless you are truly convinced the screams in the phone call come from a 26 year 250+ lb man, sure. I have no idea what either of the men involved in the altercation sound like when they are panicking and screaming for help. Neither do you. So let us refer to the eyewitness who saw who the screams came from: Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John. John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot. "And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point." http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation The case seems pretty clear, unless this witness is lying. Again, not self-defense if he provokes it. You still continue to falsely assert that the vigilante was acting in self-defense when his behaviour (ie. ignoring 911 operator's instruction to NOT follow, bringing the 9mm from his car expecting a confrontation) points to someone who was looking for a fight.
Well if he didnt bring his nine he would have been beaten savagely. The whole point of caring a gun isn't expecting confrontation but acknowledging the fact that it could happen. You are asserting that Zimmerman started the fight which hasnt been proven either.
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On March 23 2012 08:15 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:08 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:44 forgottendreams wrote:On March 23 2012 07:44 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:39 forgottendreams wrote:
Barbaric act of a zealous moron You're referring to Trayvon's act of pinning someone on the ground and beating them in the head as they scream for help, right? Unless you are truly convinced the screams in the phone call come from a 26 year 250+ lb man, sure. I have no idea what either of the men involved in the altercation sound like when they are panicking and screaming for help. Neither do you. So let us refer to the eyewitness who saw who the screams came from: Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John. John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot. "And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point." http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation The case seems pretty clear, unless this witness is lying. Again, not self-defense if he provokes it. You still continue to falsely assert that the vigilante was acting in self-defense when his behaviour (ie. ignoring 911 operator's instruction to NOT follow, bringing the 9mm from his car expecting a confrontation) points to someone who was looking for a fight.
The operator didn't tell him NOT to follow. He told him he didn't have to. There is a big difference, and I'm quite sure that it will play a big part in the case.
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On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected.
It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time.
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On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. and you have a record of these calls? Or his release from the academy?
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On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. It was since 2001. We've already established this
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/media/content/national-news-media-attention-trayvon-martin-death-explodes-feds-investigate
Can we get a big red thing at the top with the facts or something?
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On March 23 2012 08:29 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time. and you have a record of these calls? Or his release from the academy?
No he doesnt because he never went.
He called the cops and followed a guy who stole a TV. A police officer was able to make an arrest.
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On March 23 2012 08:24 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:59 hunts wrote:On March 23 2012 07:57 Atoissen wrote:On March 23 2012 07:42 Zaqwe wrote:On March 23 2012 07:38 plogamer wrote:Self-defense isn't going to fly if you provoke it in the first place. The operator warned him not to follow the kid. It is recorded. "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.
"Yes," Zimmerman responds.
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Here's my interpretation: Guy tries to bully the kid. Kid is big and doesn't back down. Fight ensues. Shot gets fired. Good job, wannabe-cop. This would corroborate with accounts supporting both sides, including the alleged wounds and grassmark on the vigilante. Fortunately, no Western democracy I am aware of considers being followed justification for assaulting someone. Zimmerman had every right to be on public property, scrutinize people on public property, or even speak to people and ask them what they are doing. "Funny" thing is, if Zimmerman had not used he's "right" to stalk someone and ask them what they were doing, one more kid would have been sitting home in he's sofa eating skittles, and not dead in a coffin... I dont know all the facts here, but I do not think it is Zimmerman screaming for help on that tape, doesnt sound like the same voice as from the phone call. Who calls 911, 46(?) times in 2 months? ... the 46 calls were over I believe about 10 years not 2 months, it is a mistake they made in the article which was later corrected. It was 46 calls in ONE year not 10. The calls range from suspicious black man walking down the street, to my neighbors garage door is open and kids playing in the street. Zimmerman wanted to be a police officer, but he didn't cut it at the police academy. So he tried his best to bring justice in the form of a neighborhood watch. His actions went too far this time.
This is the first I have heard about Zimmerman being in the police academy.
Do you have a source for this or is it just more over the top fictional dramatization?
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people are just flat out making up shit now and not even trying to hide it
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