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Scalepad
Sweden366 Posts
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TS-Rupbar
Sweden1089 Posts
On February 04 2012 22:20 shaftofpleasure wrote: Why is there a need for people to incorporate themselves with an idea like religion, sex preference or race? It's pathetic. Who gives a fuck if you're a muslim, gay or black? If you've ever been in a position where your social identity is a minority, you would know how much it can mean to people to connect to each other. As a white, heterosexual man in Sweden, I don't often come across this feeling. But when I do, it's a quite strong feeling. I think these threads are excellent. Since the OP has been BM'd because of his religion in games, I think it's obvious that people "give a fuck" : ) | ||
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GT3
Iraq100 Posts
Well if you're a muslim then you have already decided to worship Allah, the same god for the jews and the christians. Going off and worshipping another god when you're a muslim is very hypocritical, don't you think? Well I guess the consequence would be that you're not a muslim anymore since you're not really following the Qur'An "Ok I have a question.. Can you be a humanist if you are a muslim, and if you do, will your fellow muslims resent you?" Why would they do that? Islam is about love and unity, we don't hate each other, we don't harm each other. Like a wise man once said, there's good people and bad people, you don't need to generalise further. "Ok. So I read the authors previous posts here on TL. To sum it up: He thinks 9/11 was a hoax, he thinks the Bin Laden raid was a trick, he thinks Hitler didnt kill as many jews as claimed and he got banned for posting shit in the gay thread. Now to my question. Ive read that Muslims are forbidden to ask questions. Is this true or is it misinformation? If it is true, Id imagine that most people dont abide by this rule. What are the punishment for doing so ?" I didn't shit on the gay thread, as I said to the moderator that warned me, you're supposed to express emotions on the internet and happiness is an emotion, that's what I meant with lol. I hate Bin Laden but yet I still don't believe he's dead solely based off the reason that they searched for him for like 10 years and spent a lot of tax payers money, yet when they found him, they don't provide body pictures and sink him into the ocean, I'm sorry bro but democracy is about asking questions and not believing the information you get fed by the government, I'm sorry if that's how you live. I don't think Hitler killed as many jews as is claimed, yet I still believe he killed a lot. I still feel sorry for the jews, because as previously said they are our brothers in religion. Of course you're allowed to ask questions as a muslim, do you think we're a fascistic religion? Our religion is all about love and knowledge. Funfact ; Did you know that it says in the Qur'An that we muslim are brothers with the christians and the jews, we are all the children of the book. (Christians have the genesis, jews have the torah, we have the Qur'An.) Does the quran not also call for muslims to never beffriend muslims and christians? Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." -You just committed one of the biggest haram's, you tried to change the qur'an to fit your argument. The verse really goes like this, allies can mean in war, doesn't mean friendship ONLY.- "O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people." The disbelievers are the atheists and people who believe in any other religion than christianity, islam and judaism. Don't BFF jews and christians. Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Again, you changed a verse from the quran the verse goes really like this, disbelievers are atheists, and those who ally atheists in their fight against religion. You see many of them becoming allies of those who disbelieved. How wretched is that which they have put forth for themselves in that Allah has become angry with them, and in the punishment they will abide eternally. Punishment of hell upon doing so. Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. The word "rather" explains the whole thing here, better to have an ally which is alike, than an ally who differs from you, this even applies to opening a partnership company with a friend, you have to have somebody who agrees with you most of the time or you're going to run into conflicts? Not true? Thank you next. Loophole, you can act nice to Jews and Christians but only if you are faking it. You must never show them kindness on the inside. Dude, now you're saying that every muslim hates every christian and jew on the planet. In our book the book that we muslims follow, it says that they are our brothers. Why would I hate a brother? Stop taking verses out of your pockets please, we are discussing with facts here. But maybe that's in the translation. Maybe in Arabic this should translate into "everyone is best friends forever." Even though even scholars: Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly." In islam, you can decide which Imam and scholars you want to listen to, I personally would never listen to this brutal scholar. Page one also has a reference to how zionists (let's just call them what you mean, the jews) are responsible for unleashing the black arts on the world. Now you're putting words in my mouth, jews are not zionists because they can't be both, even jews protest against zionists, I will have to report you for offensive and abusive behavior. Also this is a thread about Muslims starcraft players, it's not a political thread. Anyway, let's not pretend any of the 3 abrahamic religions is saying that the other 2 are just as cool. It's one out of 3, if you get it wrong, you burn in hell. The only one to mention the other 2 by names is, logically, the youngest of the 3. "I don't think many people who call themselves Muslim keep to this rule, in the western world anyhow - like how Christians don't stone their children to death etc. From a SC perspective tough I wonder whether, for those who do keep to this rule, it would be okay to play teamgames with non-muslims?" My question to you is, what kind of messed view do you have of muslims? Dude islam is about love, read about it. I'm discussing like a mature man here, and I expect everybody to do the same. In the quran that I see and read (Every quran because the quran remains unchanged) I see verses about love and not harming, etiquette and morals. "Why is there a need for people to incorporate themselves with an idea like religion, sex preference or race? It's pathetic. Who gives a fuck if you're a muslim, gay or black?" That's the right spirit, it's true we don't need to generalise people at all, every man and woman is the same. Yet I was wondering if there are more people like me, who are a big fan of starcraft 2 and follow islam at the same time. ----------I'm already being BM'ed subliminally in this thread, please this thread is about finding people like me and asking simple questions, but you're jumping on me like vultures trying to tear out my beliefs and find contradictions.-------------- Please refrain from discussing my religion or other religions at all, you can read the thread title. Please don't post offtopic, I don't have the energy to day in and day out make right for my religion just because many people have on the edge of dangerous opinions about it. I didn't come to teamliquid to discuss religion, I do that on other sites. Now that's been said, even though Islam is the worlds second biggest religion I was kind of expecting more replies  . | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On February 04 2012 22:20 shaftofpleasure wrote: Why is there a need for people to incorporate themselves with an idea like religion, sex preference or race? It's pathetic. Who gives a fuck if you're a muslim, gay or black? Muslims care if you are gay. In Iran they really care about knowing whether you are gay or not. Helps them decide in picking out the rope they are going to use. Which is a little un-islamic because if they are really religious they would throw them off a cliff or rooftops. I just think it's disturbing that the person to open the muslim thread is a guy that believes: 1) Jews unleashed black magic on the world 2) 9/11 was a hoax 3) Thinks Osama is still alive 4) The holocaust wasn't as bad as people say it was It's kind of like if an atheist opened an atheist-thread for atheist-SC players. Then, if we look at that guys post records he says the most outragous stuff, like how we should kill all believers. Why is it always the worst in the community that want to throw themselves up as the paragons of said community? Well if you're a muslim then you have already decided to worship Allah, the same god for the jews and the christians. Going off and worshipping another god when you're a muslim is very hypocritical, don't you think? Well I guess the consequence would be that you're not a muslim anymore since you're not really following the Qur'An It's death. Apostasy means death in islam. Not metaphysical death, old fashion "bullet through the head" death. My question to you is, what kind of messed view do you have of muslims? Dude islam is about love, read about it. I'm discussing like a mature man here, and I expect everybody to do the same. In the quran that I see and read (Every quran because the quran remains unchanged) I see verses about love and not harming, etiquette and morals. I was quoting from the quran. These "verses from my pocket" are in the quran. Maybe you missed them. I hope most muslims miss them when reading. | ||
Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
On February 04 2012 22:27 GT3 wrote: "I don't think many people who call themselves Muslim keep to this rule, in the western world anyhow - like how Christians don't stone their children to death etc. From a SC perspective tough I wonder whether, for those who do keep to this rule, it would be okay to play teamgames with non-muslims?" My question to you is, what kind of messed view do you have of muslims? Dude islam is about love, read about it. I'm discussing like a mature man here, and I expect everybody to do the same. In the quran that I see and read (Every quran because the quran remains unchanged) I see verses about love and not harming, etiquette and morals. I don't think I have a "messed" view of Islam, I'm just very ignorant about it. I'll admit I don't know a lot and I haven't read the Koran (yet). It was still a geniune question, it's a verse from the Koran and since it's the perfect word of god or the inspired word of god I'd like to know how you deal with it. DW about me, I am reading up on the subject but it's a lot of work and haven't gotten very far yet  | ||
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Macen
Sweden20 Posts
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Xodia
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GT3
Iraq100 Posts
On February 04 2012 22:47 zalz wrote: Muslims care if you are gay. In Iran they really care about knowing whether you are gay or not. Helps them decide in picking out the rope they are going to use. Which is a little un-islamic because if they are really religious they would throw them off a cliff or rooftops. I just think it's disturbing that the person to open the muslim thread is a guy that believes: 1) Jews unleashed black magic on the world 2) 9/11 was a hoax 3) Thinks Osama is still alive 4) The holocaust wasn't as bad as people say it was It's kind of like if an atheist opened an atheist-thread for atheist-SC players. Then, if we look at that guys post records he says the most outragous stuff, like how we should kill all believers. Why is it always the worst in the community that want to throw themselves up as the paragons of said community? It's death. Apostasy means death in islam. Not metaphysical death, old fashion "bullet through the head" death. I was quoting from the quran. These "verses from my pocket" are in the quran. Maybe you missed them. I hope most muslims miss them when reading. Now you're claiming to know me as a person over the internet better than I know myself. Let me make it clear. 1. The holocaust didn't happen in the enormous numbers that was said, but it was still horrible. 2. 9/11 was an inside job, yes I very much believe so, because muslims are not allowed to hijack a plane, kill innocents and suicide. 3.I think Osama is still alive yes, but they still need to find him and kill him. I want to see some body pictures! 4. Zionists not jews, now you're just trying to make me look bad by putting words in my mouth. Iran doesn't follow Sharia laws, you can check out a documentary about how policemen rape women and how the citizens of Iran are being tortured, this is not Islam, this is torture and inhumane. I never said we should kill all believers, what guy have you been arguing with? Not me, because I haven't said these kind of things. The verses that you quoted are not in the quran, you changed them to fit your description, and to further aid your propaganda against me and my religion.. I'll say it again, stop going off topic, this is not to discuss religion but to find players who are like me. And to honor our prophets birthday, Peace be upon him. | ||
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shaft_dat
United Kingdom9 Posts
1- No 2- No 3- Yes The main problem with Islam is that the Qur'an was written in a language no one really understands. Then the Hadith was written 200 years after the death of the prophet and no one can verify if those sources are accurate. Why would we need more written word to worship than the word of god himself? Did he really miss that much out of the Qur'an. The Hadith is Shirq. It's an example of people using religion to control people, mainly poor people at the time. | ||
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
On February 04 2012 22:58 GT3 wrote: 1. The holocaust didn't happen in the enormous numbers that was said, but it was still horrible. What are you basing that on? | ||
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bobsire
Canada296 Posts
yea that is why you hear about suicide bombing everyday on the news killing innocents. + all of the killings in the name of Allah.. the list goes on. | ||
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GT3
Iraq100 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:06 shaft_dat wrote: I used to be Muslim, does that count? 1- No 2- No 3- Yes The main problem with Islam is that the Qur'an was written in a language no one really understands. Then the Hadith was written 200 years after the death of the prophet and no one can verify if those sources are accurate. Why would we need more written word to worship than the word of god himself? Did he really miss that much out of the Qur'an. The Hadith is Shirq. It's an example of people using religion to control people, mainly poor people at the time. Of course it counts if you use to be a muslim, I don't know if what you said about the hadith's is true. However, I hope you don't have a problem with me asking, why did you leave the religion? "yea that is why you hear about suicide bombing everyday on the news killing innocents. + all of the killings in the name of Allah.. the list goes on. " Those people aren't muslims bro, they left the religion when they did that. It's like me going and killing innocent in the name of Idra, and then Idra getting blamed for everything. | ||
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:09 GT3 wrote: It's like me going and killing innocent in the name of Idra, and then Idra getting blamed for everything. That only holds to be true if Idra explicitly said that you should kill everyone who does not believe that Idra is the best SC-player in the world. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On February 04 2012 22:26 TS-Rupbar wrote: If you've ever been in a position where your social identity is a minority, you would know how much it can mean to people to connect to each other. As a white, heterosexual man in Sweden, I don't often come across this feeling. But when I do, it's a quite strong feeling. I think these threads are excellent. Since the OP has been BM'd because of his religion in games, I think it's obvious that people "give a fuck" : ) I went to highschool in Botkyrka(subburb in Stockholm, 99,99% imigrant population) for about six months due to a special sports program that existed there, i was the only ethnically swedish person in a school of about 300 students, and the second "white" person, a polish guy was one year above me and he was the first. And yes this feeling of "not belonging" is very strong and potent, my classmates didnt care but people from other classes often called me "Jävla svenne" etc(fucking cracker roughly translated) and i eventually left the school mostly due to the traveling distance but i would be lying if i said the minority thing didnt affect it aswell. American History X term comes to mind when the main character is in prison: "In here, you the nigger". Anyway no real purpose to my post, just wanted to say i've felt the same feeling and it is not pleassant, event if people treat you well you still feel like you don't belong. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On February 04 2012 22:58 GT3 wrote:Now you're claiming to know me as a person over the internet better than I know myself. I don't recall making that claim. I am only reacting to things you said, not things I presume you have said. If you as a person are different from how you portray yourself on this forum, well I can't look past the forum. Let me make it clear. 1. The holocaust didn't happen in the enormous numbers that was said, but it was still horrible. 2. 9/11 was an inside job, yes I very much believe so, because muslims are not allowed to hijack a plane, kill innocents and suicide. 3.I think Osama is still alive yes, but they still need to find him and kill him. I want to see some body pictures! 4. Zionists not jews, now you're just trying to make me look bad by putting words in my mouth. I think (and hope) that most muslims wouldn't consider that representative of their religion. Iran doesn't follow Sharia laws, you can check out a documentary about how policemen rape women and how the citizens of Iran are being tortured, this is not Islam, this is torture and inhumane. The situation that you refer to is actually very religiously inspired. You see, the revolutionairy guard is hardcore religious, so they are not allowed to kill virgins. So when they have a women that needs to be executed, but is a virgin, they need to create a loophole. So they force her to marry her captors, after which her "husband" rapes her. After the rape, she isn't a virgin anymore, and they can kill her. I don't see how Iran doesn't follow sharia law. They say they do and they don't seem to violate it on any mentionable scale. Torture and inhumane treatment are not seperate of religion. Afterall, when i die (me being an atheist) do I not get sent to hell where I will be tortured and treated inhumanely? I never said we should kill all believers, what guy have you been arguing with? Not me, because I haven't said these kind of things. I never said you did. The verses that you quoted are not in the quran, you changed them to fit your description, and to further aid your propaganda against me and my religion.. I'll say it again, stop going off topic, this is not to discuss religion but to find players who are like me. And to honor our prophets birthday, Peace be upon him. I think any topic which celebrates the prophets birthday should not be surprised with religious discussion. Look at the gay thread. People dicuss what it's like to be gay. Why can't we discuss what it's like to be muslim in the muslim thread? Of course it counts if you use to be a muslim, I don't know if what you said about the hadith's is true. However, I hope you don't have a problem with me asking, why did you leave the religion? "yea that is why you hear about suicide bombing everyday on the news killing innocents. + all of the killings in the name of Allah.. the list goes on. " Those people aren't muslims bro, they left the religion when they did that. It's like me going and killing innocent in the name of Idra, and then Idra getting blamed for everything. You don't seem to be very familiar with sub-branches of islam. One of the main ideas in Qutbism (what Osama and his ilk believe) is that only muslims that truly follow the Quran are true muslims. Thus, shia muslims and non-believers are all the same and not innocent and open target for murder. Even Sunni muslims that believe can be called unbelievers by them if they don't follow the quran as hardline as they want them to follow it (which is to the letter). So they aren't killing innocents in their sub-branch of islam. | ||
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Xodia
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On February 04 2012 23:13 Xiron wrote: That only holds to be true if Idra explicitly said that you should kill everyone who does not believe that Idra is the best SC-player in the world. That's so easy to say, care to prove it? Where is something like that mentioned in Quran and please don't bother googling and copy pasting verses which doesn't even exist or are out of context... | ||
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GT3
Iraq100 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:13 Xiron wrote: That only holds to be true if Idra explicitly said that you should kill everyone who does not believe that Idra is the best SC-player in the world. The Quran doesn't say that you should kill people who don't believe in the quran, have you even read the quran? You're just pulling verses out of your pockets right? I already told you, killing innocents is against the religion, and you know what is also haram? Pride, when you think of yourself higher than other people. YAY, let's go and break laws, and then when we get arrested lets blame it on the laws yaaaaay! "I think (and hope) that most muslims wouldn't consider that representative of their religion." That's my personal beliefs, sorry if I don't willingly eat the information that the government feeds me and think I am free. "The situation that you refer to is actually very religiously inspired. You see, the revolutionairy guard is hardcore religious, so they are not allowed to kill virgins. So when they have a women that needs to be executed, but is a virgin, they need to create a loophole. So they force her to marry her captors, after which her "husband" rapes her. After the rape, she isn't a virgin anymore, and they can kill her. I don't see how Iran doesn't follow sharia law. They say they do and they don't seem to violate it on any mentionable scale. Torture and inhumane treatment are not seperate of religion. Afterall, when i die (me being an atheist) do I not get sent to hell where I will be tortured and treated inhumanely?" That's what my religion says, if you want to avoid this and you believe in it, simply become a muslim. After reading the quran for at least 2 days, you'd see that Iran isn't following sharia laws. That they say they do is completly different. I can say I am black but that doesn't make me black does it? "I think any topic which celebrates the prophets birthday should not be surprised with religious discussion. Look at the gay thread. People dicuss what it's like to be gay. Why can't we discuss what it's like to be muslim in the muslim thread?" You're absolutely not discussing what it's like to be a muslim or discussing even in a polite manner, for some reason I feel attacked and insulted. Can't we discuss this politely? I don't know what you're trying to achieve | ||
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Xodia
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dannystarcraft
United States179 Posts
1. The Islamic stance on homosexuality. Is it forbidden? If so, what is the punishment? 2. The Islamic stance on Women's rights? Are men and women 100% equal. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
After reading the quran for at least 2 days, you'd see that Iran isn't following sharia laws. That they say they do is completly different. I can say I am black but that doesn't make me black does it? How many days do you think Khomeinie read the quran? More or less then 2 days? What makes you a better authority then him? Isn't that like me having read about quantumphysics for 2 days and then telling a PHD proffesor with 60 years of experience in the field that he is wrong. The difference ofcourse being that religion is a tad more subjective then quantumphysics. | ||
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