EPTAlso I used to say this to my Black Muslim friends back in high school asalamaleka. Now is that for all Muslims? Or just the African Muslim? Because I know there is a differents in some things between African Muslims and Middle Eastern Muslim well I think there is maybe someone can clarify.
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United States677 Posts
Also I used to say this to my Black Muslim friends back in high school asalamaleka. Now is that for all Muslims? Or just the African Muslim? Because I know there is a differents in some things between African Muslims and Middle Eastern Muslim well I think there is maybe someone can clarify. | ||
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Iraq100 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:24 zalz wrote: How many days do you think Khomeinie read the quran? More or less then 2 days? What makes you a better authority then him? Isn't that like me having read about quantumphysics for 2 days and then telling a PHD proffesor with 60 years of experience in the field that he is wrong. The difference ofcourse being that religion is a tad more subjective then quantumphysics. Well Khomeine hits himself, you're not allowed to damage your body in Islam, because it's not your body, it is borrowed from god. "I am a christian but I have always been curious of the Muslim religion I have one friend who is Muslim and there is one rule in his house. When you go up stairs there IS NO CUSSING because there is some type of scrolls up there.. I remember I got in a lot of trouble with his mother one time. I have questions about the Muslim religion that I may ask from time to time later. I hope this is ok. I have complete respect for Muslims and almost any religion I am not just a hateful christian or hateful American just so you know :D To be honest I really think all paths to god are right, and thats very hypocritical of Christianity , but thats more of a personal belief." Greetings to you, what a gentleman you are. I understand why you're curious, feel free to ask about what you want. I have complete respect for christianity aswell. We worship the same deity, you're my brother. I think God likes you if you perform well in life, and have morals. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
 ) which they repeat alot. What is the purpose of these? just to show your respect to allah or mohammed when you mention them? And i get saying it when you speak, that kinda flows naturally, but to specificlly write it seems kinda odd? | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:26 GT3 wrote: Well Khomeine hits himself, you're not allowed to damage your body in Islam, because it's not your body, it is borrowed from god. So is that a yes? Do you consider your 2 days of quran study to have made you a better authority on the quran then Khomeini? Someone who has most likely read the quran every day since the day he could read. | ||
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Iraq100 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:26 unkkz wrote: I have a question i actually honestly wonder about: This whole "peace be upon him" muslims have alot of phrases like this and also "inch allah"(lol spelling, if god wants it so or something ) which they repeat alot. What is the purpose of these? just to show your respect to allah or mohammed when you mention them? And i get saying it when you speak, that kinda flows naturally, but to specificlly write it seems kinda odd?Well it's kind of to show respect, we do the same with all our prophets Jesus included. That's because we have respect for these people and we show it verbally, because they're not alive and we can't show it physically. I personally write it aswell and I know many people who do the same. "Do you consider your 2 days of quran study to have made you a better authority on the quran then Khomeini? Someone who has most likely been reading the quran every day since the day he could read." The 2 days were an example not a statement of me reading the quran for 2 days, reading the quran everyday of your life and 500 additional years don't matter if you don't follow it, and I even think it is even more haram because he knews how haram it is and still he does it. Khomeini is in no way a representative for the religion and neither am I. Only Muhammed (SAW) is, and you can read about him and his stories in the quran. | ||
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Sweden366 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:17 GT3 wrote: The Quran doesn't say that you should kill people who don't believe in the quran, have you even read the quran? You're just pulling verses out of your pockets right? I already told you, killing innocents is against the religion, and you know what is also haram? Pride, when you think of yourself higher than other people. Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." want me to go on quoting? | ||
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Norway821 Posts
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:17 GT3 wrote: The Quran doesn't say that you should kill people who don't believe in the quran, have you even read the quran? You're just pulling verses out of your pockets right? Sure 4, Vers 76: Diejenigen, die gläubig sind, kämpfen um Gottes willen, diejenigen, die ungläubig sind, um der Götzen willen. Kämpft nun gegen die Freunde des Satans! Die List des Satans ist schwach. Sure 4, Verse 76: Those, who believe, fight for Allah. Those who don't believe, fight for Satan. Now, fight against the followers of Satan! But Satan's cunning is weak. I just beat you with your own argumentation. Because what I read in the Quran is what you will read aswell. I'm no believer, an atheist, thus I'm officially a friend of Satan and thus have to be killed. Now, if you say, fighting does not mean 'kill', than I have to disappoint you and quote Sure 4, Verse 89: 'When those who don't hear your call to conversion, turn their back to you, attack and kill them, wherever you may find them!' As you see, my argumentation is the correct one. e: also I think it was obvious that this would become a religious debate. Anyone who has been on the internet for more than 20 minutes will now that the topic of religion is always going to cast a religious discussion. | ||
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Iraq100 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:35 Scalepad wrote: Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." want me to go on quoting? 8:12 is really like this "[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."" This is out of context so I can't tell if it's hinting at a war between disbelievers and believers, and that god is going to stand beside the believers so no need to fear or not. 3:56 is really like this "And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."" This is explainable, you deny god, he is going to deny you in the life hereafter where you are going to get proof of his existance. Everybody can believe when they have seen, but Islam emphasizes that belief without seeing is hard for humans therefore they are loved by god. You can quote how much you want bro. If you want since we live in the same country we can go out over a coffee and talk about religion. I'm in Göteborg "Sure 4, Verse 76: Those, who believe, fight for Allah. Those who don't believe, fight for Satan. Now, fight against the followers of Satan! But Satan's cunning is weak. I just beat you with your own argumentation. Because what I read in the Quran is what you will read aswell. I'm no believer, an atheist, thus I'm officially a friend of Satan and thus have to be killed. Now, if you say, fighting does not mean 'kill', than I have to disappoint you and quote Sure 4, Verse 89: 'When those who don't hear your call to conversion, turn their back to you, attack and kill them, wherever you may find them!'" As you see in my quote, I didn't say Allah I said Quran, don't be so speedy to try and break my argument. Now your quote is forever living here where you you missread my first reply. Well you can be a friend of satan how much you want, whatever floats your boat. I let god run his course. Please don't alter verses from the quran it's one of the biggest sins, the verse really goes like this 4:89 They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper. If they turn away from the path of god, then seize them and kill them. This was usual with all religions back in this time. If you're an atheist and you're trying to convert me, back in those days we would have to war. | ||
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shaft_dat
United Kingdom9 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:09 GT3 wrote: Of course it counts if you use to be a muslim, I don't know if what you said about the hadith's is true. However, I hope you don't have a problem with me asking, why did you leave the religion?  Hadith is written by the decendents of the followers of the prophet after his death. They're like a memoir of what he did and said. So much of what Sunni Muslims believe comes from this. The reason I left Islam is because I stopped believe in God. I see it like how you grow up and stop believing in Santa. God is what you tell your kids so they behave well, and it started by rich leaders of nations wanting to control the poor. For example quotes like "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven". That's either from the Qur'an or the Bible, I don't remember. Also if you read the Old Testement, that shit is fucked up and violent as hell. They needed the New Testement to keep up with the times. And you say the Qur'an has never been altered, which is true, but people (muslims and non-muslims and terrorists etc.) have translated it to suit their own needs which is just as bad. I'm a Mathematician, so I think logically and can take a step back and assess an argument impartially. This is jut the conclusion that I came to. But I understand if your religion makes you happy. Just keep in mind that it's human nature to want to believe in a higher being, as it aides in survival back when we were cavemen/ tribal folk. There have been literally 1000s of Gods created over time, eg ancient Egyptian, Greek, Roman, tribal worshipping of the sun the moon, mountains, all before Islam - then all of us sudden one guy comes along with a book and everyone acts like nothing ever happened before that. | ||
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3050 Posts
Also, what is Islam's view (if you are not sure how to answer, then, what is YOUR view) on agnosticism? Since I am agnostic, I would like to know. Also, stay strong  | ||
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Sweden366 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:38 GT3 wrote: You can quote how much you want bro. If you want since we live in the same country we can go out over a coffee and talk about religion. I'm in Göteborg I don't think I could reason with you, sorry. I don't even want to get into an argument on TL, because I detest religion and all that it stands for, which tends to lead to heated arguments. | ||
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Iraq100 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:41 Ayush_SCtoss wrote: I have a question not necessarily focused on Islam but you rather. I see you are from Sweden, so are you a Swedish Muslim (probably not the right term) or someone who has lived most of their life in Sweden but from a different country? I am just curious Also, what is Islam's view (if you are not sure how to answer, then, what is YOUR view) on agnosticism? Since I am agnostic, I would like to know. Also, stay strong I live in sweden and yes you might say I'm a swedish muslim, I was born here but I've been in my maternal country (Iraq) twice. I don't know the view about agnosticism, but if the higher power that you believe in is God, which is the same god of judaism christianity and islam. Then you believe in God. Then you're not a disbeliever. "I don't think I could reason with you, sorry. I don't even want to get into an argument on TL, because I detest religion and all that it stands for, which tends to lead to heated arguments." Why do you lead heated arguments? We can discuss like civil men. I don't like insult rich discussions either, who does? But alright I can see your opinions and beliefs. | ||
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Xodia
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Ayat 109:6, "To you be your Faith, and to me mine." We don't even have to bother arguing with haters it's just out of the love of our religion. Islam gives a direction and a basic purpose in life. One can choose to ignore that and live a complete materialistic life untill he hits his grave. God blessed you with life, one rejects him and then wishes to expect God to welcome him with open arms? Refrain from starting flamewars unnecessarily. | ||
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Rustug
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I usually compare it to football (soccer) team-fans and hooligans. Although the hooligans are usually only a minor part of the fan-base they have to be acknowledge, by the team, as a problem. Teams spend a lot of money and resources to actively address the problems their hooligan fan-base is causing. They have learned, especially during the 80's that ignoring this part of their fan-base empowers them and made them prosper/grow. I acknowledge that this is not purely a muslim problem. | ||
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Iraq100 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:47 Xodia wrote: That's what I meant when I talked about people quoting out of context. Wow you can google stuff, how fucking smart you are Scalepad I wonder how you missed out the preceding words. I wish people actually gave it a thought before writing ignorant comments. Ayat 109:6, "To you be your Faith, and to me mine." We don't even have to bother arguing with haters it's just out of the love of our religion. Islam gives a direction and a basic purpose in life. You can choose to ignore that and live a complete materialistic lives untill you hit your graves. God blessed you with life, one rejects him and then wishes to expect God to welcome him with open arms? Refrain from starting flamewars unnecessarily. What a lovely verse from the Quran, but people won't show these verses because they show the good side of Islam, and people want everybody to think of Islam as evil and bad. Agreed refrain from starting flame wars, or even flaming in the first instance. This thread is not about discussing Islam in the first place, it's about finding muslim starcraft 2 players. Why aren't moderators regulating this thread like the gay starcraft thread? They're very similar, to find a minority in the community. If any moderator is reading this, can you please regulate people from going off topic? I didn't start a thread called "Islam" with a reply saying, discuss everything you want about islam, this tends to me having to defend myself and my religion, and I have to reply to 5 different people arguing with me at once, when the thread wasn't even started to argue. Rustug there is nothing to discuss, these people are not muslims period. | ||
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:49 Rustug wrote: The main annoyance I have with the muslim community is that they don't take much responsibility for the "bad eggs" that are among them. I've engaged many muslims about this and almost always I get the same answer: "These people are not true muslims", and in their eyes that ends the conversation. I do not agree with this approach. You have to acknowledge the good and the bad about your community and actively and openly rally against it or it will grow. I usually compare it to football (soccer) team-fans and hooligans. Although the hooligans are usually only a minor part of the fan-base they have to be acknowledge, by the team, as a problem. Teams spend a lot of money and resources to actively address the problems their hooligan fan-base is causing. They have learned, especially during the 80's that ignoring this part of their fan-base empowers them and made them prosper/grow. I acknowledge that this is not purely a muslim problem. That's the main problem that I have with religion. All they do might be good for themselves, but they never take the responsibility for what they do to others. Christians molesting children, Muslims killing innocent people, or some Inkas that sacrificed children. Nobody ever says something like 'Sorry, my religious brothers and sisters are wrong' no! You can deny all you want, the root for all that misery is and will always be religion. Not because religion is necessarily bad, but it causes people to do bad things. | ||
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Iraq100 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:57 Xiron wrote: That's the main problem that I have with religion. All they do might be good for themselves, but they never take the responsibility for what they do to others. Christians molesting children, Muslims killing innocent people, or some Inkas that sacrificed children. Nobody ever says something like 'Sorry, my religious brothers and sisters are wrong' no! You can deny all you want, the root for all that misery is and will always be religion. Not because religion is necessarily bad, but it causes people to do bad things. The bad people who claim they are muslims are in fact not muslims. Why should our religious community take responsbility for people who don't even follow Gods bidding. | ||
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Twelve12
Australia268 Posts
Do you think women are treated unjustly in Islamic countries? and do you think maybe the way women are described in the Quran has anything to do with this? | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
On February 04 2012 23:51 GT3 wrote: Rustug there is nothing to discuss, these people are not muslims period. Just keep ignoring that part of your "fan-base" and maybe the problem will go away. (I think not) | ||
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