EPT[Q] So how the fuck do I kill this? - Page 2
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
Also, read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296080#19 Game in question: http://drop.sc/89197 | ||
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oxxo
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:10 a176 wrote: Too bad im not asking why I lost a game, Im talking about this strategy in general. "In a [Q] thread you may ask about a specific, situational strategy, whether that is executing it yourself of playing against it. It is very important that you keep these threads specific. A general "How to FE against Zerg?" is not acceptable. This is the most important distinction from the [H] threads. As with [H] thread you must post one or several replays. " | ||
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deber459
United States37 Posts
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Blezza
United Kingdom191 Posts
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Croaker
United States101 Posts
If you can manage to morph the broods close to the terran base, or somehow manage to get them to him unscouted, they can work out well. But ultras can be really excellent performers even if they are scouted - they soak up alot of tank and marine fire and really help your speedlings and banelings to close on the tanks and marines respectively. That said, most zerg at my level have an odd tendency to completely forget to include corrupters with the broodlords - they often just morph everything. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:11 Lebzetu wrote: Too bad im not asking why I lost a game, Im talking about this strategy in general. "In a [Q] thread you may ask about a specific, situational strategy, whether that is executing it yourself of playing against it. It is very important that you keep these threads specific. A general "How to FE against Zerg?" is not acceptable. This is the most important distinction from the [H] threads. As with [H] thread you must post one or several replays. " The answer is: have better macro General questions, get general answers. Poor macro. | ||
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:13 Torte de Lini wrote: The answer is: have better macro General questions, get general answers. Poor macro. What if I blacked out the resources? Would you still say bad macro? | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
@OP Do you think that whining is going to get you anywhere? How far? If your claims are true and you seek help, you shall not be afraid to post a replay and enlighten us on your mistakes. Otherwise, your thread will soon reside at the top of the closed forums, slipping into the abyss of terrible threads. Edit: What if I blacked out the resources? Would you still say bad macro? Yes, we would, as a good Zerg with proper macro would utilize the swarm to prevent this atrocity; thus, he would claim victory. | ||
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:16 TehTemplar wrote: I'm watching this thread quietly. @OP Do you think that whining is going to get you anywhere? How far? If your claims are true and you seek help, you shall not be afraid to post a replay and enlighten us on your mistakes. Otherwise, your thread will soon reside at the top of the closed forums, slipping into the abyss of terrible threads. Not even whining, people arent saying how to kill bases like that, which is the point of this thread. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:16 Lebzetu wrote: What if I blacked out the resources? Would you still say bad macro? Yeah, I would because you'd be able to crush that with your better technology that'd have come sooner, in larger force and with better upgrades. In addition, you'd be able to reinforce your army instanteously and this question wouldn't come up. He has 4 AA and 2 bunkers, have you done the math on how much that costs and that deters from his main army, which, by the way, could only be in one to two spots if you pushed with half of your force to attack one of his many expansions. Let's not forget, with good macro, you'd have good forms of harassment and be able to continually damage his various structures or bases and retreat fast before he'd be able to defend. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
you can still muta harass. you can drop. you can attack his other base(s). if this is midgame since that looks like his natural(assuming 1st expo pf -,.- ), you could have expanded once or twice, drone up while he wasted money on pf and turrets. scared of counter attack? plant some baneling mines, have infestors ready. make more lings after you sac 30 banes to take down fortress. i dont know about you but when i'm zerg, i love turtling terran. (FREE BASES!) | ||
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kornetka
Poland129 Posts
On January 11 2012 09:57 Lebzetu wrote: Hey guys good reading, I'm not asking why I lost this game, but how to kill this specific strategy. As a Zerg player, I'm sure we all wish that we switched to terrans because of reasons like this: http://i.imgur.com/6nlLI.jpg This terran got 6 bases on Shattered Temple. I couldnt out expand him, since the map is split in half. They do this turtle-expo static defense thing on every fucking map. According to this description (turtle terran planetarying and walling in his bases) you should just expand to all bases before him. Result - map is not divided in yours and his halfs, but more like 75% to 25%. And then siege him with broodlords as other people correctly said before. gl&hf | ||
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saltymango
United States120 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:18 Lebzetu wrote: Not even whining, people arent saying how to kill bases like that, which is the point of this thread. Thou art running in circles, fair Zerg. You inform us of your dilemma which we inspect to the best of our ability and point out your mistakes; Alas, the solution is not the answer you seek, but one that widely solves many problems. Yes, the answer is macro better. Planetary fortresses have a finite number of hit points, use this to your advantage. | ||
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Sitinte
United States499 Posts
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LeaF_SD
United States113 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:16 Lebzetu wrote: What if I blacked out the resources? Would you still say bad macro? Brood lords. There you go | ||
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gakkgakk
Norway902 Posts
On January 11 2012 09:57 Lebzetu wrote: This terran got 6 bases on Shattered Temple. I couldnt out expand him, since the map is split in half. They do this turtle-expo static defense thing on every fucking map. TalDarim is the worse, though. They get about 10 bases and make planetary with 7 turrets, a bunker with four marines and he walls off to boot. It is true that shattered is one of the few maps that are possible split in a tvz. Tal'darim however is not. I don't know what league you play in, but I can assure you this is not a problem with balance. This is something only you can overcome. And you don't overcome this obstacle if you believe you lose games like this because of balance and not because of your play. | ||
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
On January 11 2012 10:20 saltymango wrote: ok so basicly his strategy is macro. so the hardest counter to this would be macro better. Good response, I understand that. Problem is that he split the map in half by doing this to his third (on the gold), his fourth, fifth, and sixth. | ||
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