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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 11 2012 01:11 GMT
#21
Yeah, even with saving for broodlords, you can't possibly get 5k unless you have poor macro. Even in the later games, it's very hard to reach that with proper macro, upgrades and harassment.
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 01:14:24
January 11 2012 01:11 GMT
#22
Your macro is probably terrible and that is the reason you have trouble. A zerg with good macro never has trouble with planetaries - I played a game vs jEcho where he baneling'd my 4th base PF twice and lived just because he had infestors and really good macro. Good macro and timely hive tech will make this not even a challenge.

Also, read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296080#19

Game in question: http://drop.sc/89197
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oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
January 11 2012 01:11 GMT
#23
You let him get 6 bases while wasting that many minerals on those static defenses. Your macro was BAD.
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
January 11 2012 01:11 GMT
#24
On January 11 2012 10:10 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
The classic “Why did I lose this game?”. For these threads it is absolutely required that you post a replay. No exceptions. Nobody is going to be able to help you if you won’t post a replay.

Too bad im not asking why I lost a game, Im talking about this strategy in general.
"In a [Q] thread you may ask about a specific, situational strategy, whether that is executing it yourself of playing against it. It is very important that you keep these threads specific. A general "How to FE against Zerg?" is not acceptable. This is the most important distinction from the [H] threads. As with [H] thread you must post one or several replays.
"
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
deber459
Profile Joined December 2011
United States37 Posts
January 11 2012 01:11 GMT
#25
Please post a replay of this game. One can only assume that you're making all the wrong mistakes from that screenshot alone.
Blezza
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom191 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 01:12:18
January 11 2012 01:11 GMT
#26
Blord infestor will sort that out. His army shouldn't get underneath caus of fungal
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Croaker
Profile Joined December 2011
United States101 Posts
January 11 2012 01:12 GMT
#27
Speaking as a terran player, I'm actually far more worried by ultras and infestors than by broodlords. Just a few vikings combined with the slow speed of the broodlords can make them very sad, as long as I unsiege and leave with my ground army.

If you can manage to morph the broods close to the terran base, or somehow manage to get them to him unscouted, they can work out well. But ultras can be really excellent performers even if they are scouted - they soak up alot of tank and marine fire and really help your speedlings and banelings to close on the tanks and marines respectively.

That said, most zerg at my level have an odd tendency to completely forget to include corrupters with the broodlords - they often just morph everything.
In the game of drones, roaches are coming - Artosis
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 11 2012 01:13 GMT
#28
On January 11 2012 10:11 Lebzetu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 10:10 a176 wrote:
The classic “Why did I lose this game?”. For these threads it is absolutely required that you post a replay. No exceptions. Nobody is going to be able to help you if you won’t post a replay.

Too bad im not asking why I lost a game, Im talking about this strategy in general.
"In a [Q] thread you may ask about a specific, situational strategy, whether that is executing it yourself of playing against it. It is very important that you keep these threads specific. A general "How to FE against Zerg?" is not acceptable. This is the most important distinction from the [H] threads. As with [H] thread you must post one or several replays.
"


The answer is: have better macro

General questions, get general answers. Poor macro.
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llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
January 11 2012 01:16 GMT
#29
On January 11 2012 10:13 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 10:11 Lebzetu wrote:
On January 11 2012 10:10 a176 wrote:
The classic “Why did I lose this game?”. For these threads it is absolutely required that you post a replay. No exceptions. Nobody is going to be able to help you if you won’t post a replay.

Too bad im not asking why I lost a game, Im talking about this strategy in general.
"In a [Q] thread you may ask about a specific, situational strategy, whether that is executing it yourself of playing against it. It is very important that you keep these threads specific. A general "How to FE against Zerg?" is not acceptable. This is the most important distinction from the [H] threads. As with [H] thread you must post one or several replays.
"


The answer is: have better macro

General questions, get general answers. Poor macro.

What if I blacked out the resources? Would you still say bad macro?
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 01:18:57
January 11 2012 01:16 GMT
#30
I'm watching this thread quietly.
@OP
Do you think that whining is going to get you anywhere? How far? If your claims are true and you seek help, you shall not be afraid to post a replay and enlighten us on your mistakes. Otherwise, your thread will soon reside at the top of the closed forums, slipping into the abyss of terrible threads.

Edit:
What if I blacked out the resources? Would you still say bad macro?

Yes, we would, as a good Zerg with proper macro would utilize the swarm to prevent this atrocity; thus, he would claim victory.
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llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
January 11 2012 01:18 GMT
#31
On January 11 2012 10:16 TehTemplar wrote:
I'm watching this thread quietly.
@OP
Do you think that whining is going to get you anywhere? How far? If your claims are true and you seek help, you shall not be afraid to post a replay and enlighten us on your mistakes. Otherwise, your thread will soon reside at the top of the closed forums, slipping into the abyss of terrible threads.

Not even whining, people arent saying how to kill bases like that, which is the point of this thread.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 11 2012 01:18 GMT
#32
On January 11 2012 10:16 Lebzetu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 10:13 Torte de Lini wrote:
On January 11 2012 10:11 Lebzetu wrote:
On January 11 2012 10:10 a176 wrote:
The classic “Why did I lose this game?”. For these threads it is absolutely required that you post a replay. No exceptions. Nobody is going to be able to help you if you won’t post a replay.

Too bad im not asking why I lost a game, Im talking about this strategy in general.
"In a [Q] thread you may ask about a specific, situational strategy, whether that is executing it yourself of playing against it. It is very important that you keep these threads specific. A general "How to FE against Zerg?" is not acceptable. This is the most important distinction from the [H] threads. As with [H] thread you must post one or several replays.
"


The answer is: have better macro

General questions, get general answers. Poor macro.

What if I blacked out the resources? Would you still say bad macro?


Yeah, I would because you'd be able to crush that with your better technology that'd have come sooner, in larger force and with better upgrades.

In addition, you'd be able to reinforce your army instanteously and this question wouldn't come up. He has 4 AA and 2 bunkers, have you done the math on how much that costs and that deters from his main army, which, by the way, could only be in one to two spots if you pushed with half of your force to attack one of his many expansions.

Let's not forget, with good macro, you'd have good forms of harassment and be able to continually damage his various structures or bases and retreat fast before he'd be able to defend.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 01:26:16
January 11 2012 01:18 GMT
#33
its probably your macro and just bad decision making (what to spend money on).

you can still muta harass. you can drop. you can attack his other base(s).
if this is midgame since that looks like his natural(assuming 1st expo pf -,.- ), you could have expanded once or twice, drone up while he wasted money on pf and turrets.

scared of counter attack? plant some baneling mines, have infestors ready. make more lings after you sac 30 banes to take down fortress.

i dont know about you but when i'm zerg, i love turtling terran. (FREE BASES!)
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kornetka
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Poland129 Posts
January 11 2012 01:20 GMT
#34
On January 11 2012 09:57 Lebzetu wrote:
Hey guys good reading, I'm not asking why I lost this game, but how to kill this specific strategy.

As a Zerg player, I'm sure we all wish that we switched to terrans because of reasons like this:
http://i.imgur.com/6nlLI.jpg

This terran got 6 bases on Shattered Temple. I couldnt out expand him, since the map is split in half.
They do this turtle-expo static defense thing on every fucking map.



According to this description (turtle terran planetarying and walling in his bases) you should just expand to all bases before him. Result - map is not divided in yours and his halfs, but more like 75% to 25%. And then siege him with broodlords as other people correctly said before.
gl&hf
broodwar for ever
saltymango
Profile Joined June 2011
United States120 Posts
January 11 2012 01:20 GMT
#35
ok so basicly his strategy is macro. so the hardest counter to this would be macro better.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
January 11 2012 01:23 GMT
#36
On January 11 2012 10:18 Lebzetu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 10:16 TehTemplar wrote:
I'm watching this thread quietly.
@OP
Do you think that whining is going to get you anywhere? How far? If your claims are true and you seek help, you shall not be afraid to post a replay and enlighten us on your mistakes. Otherwise, your thread will soon reside at the top of the closed forums, slipping into the abyss of terrible threads.

Not even whining, people arent saying how to kill bases like that, which is the point of this thread.

Thou art running in circles, fair Zerg. You inform us of your dilemma which we inspect to the best of our ability and point out your mistakes; Alas, the solution is not the answer you seek, but one that widely solves many problems. Yes, the answer is macro better. Planetary fortresses have a finite number of hit points, use this to your advantage.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Sitinte
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States499 Posts
January 11 2012 01:25 GMT
#37
Just post a replay. People stop giving you half-assed responses and help you. Win-win for a little bit of effort.
LeaF_SD
Profile Joined March 2009
United States113 Posts
January 11 2012 01:25 GMT
#38
On January 11 2012 10:16 Lebzetu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 10:13 Torte de Lini wrote:
On January 11 2012 10:11 Lebzetu wrote:
On January 11 2012 10:10 a176 wrote:
The classic “Why did I lose this game?”. For these threads it is absolutely required that you post a replay. No exceptions. Nobody is going to be able to help you if you won’t post a replay.

Too bad im not asking why I lost a game, Im talking about this strategy in general.
"In a [Q] thread you may ask about a specific, situational strategy, whether that is executing it yourself of playing against it. It is very important that you keep these threads specific. A general "How to FE against Zerg?" is not acceptable. This is the most important distinction from the [H] threads. As with [H] thread you must post one or several replays.
"


The answer is: have better macro

General questions, get general answers. Poor macro.

What if I blacked out the resources? Would you still say bad macro?


Brood lords. There you go
"Idra did tremendously well, and he didn't even call the woman a faggot once" - floor exercise
gakkgakk
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Norway902 Posts
January 11 2012 01:25 GMT
#39
On January 11 2012 09:57 Lebzetu wrote:
This terran got 6 bases on Shattered Temple. I couldnt out expand him, since the map is split in half.
They do this turtle-expo static defense thing on every fucking map. TalDarim is the worse, though. They get about 10 bases and make planetary with 7 turrets, a bunker with four marines and he walls off to boot.

It is true that shattered is one of the few maps that are possible split in a tvz. Tal'darim however is not. I don't know what league you play in, but I can assure you this is not a problem with balance. This is something only you can overcome. And you don't overcome this obstacle if you believe you lose games like this because of balance and not because of your play.
A timing is a build done by a player you like. An allin is a build done by one you dont. -sOda~
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
January 11 2012 01:26 GMT
#40
On January 11 2012 10:20 saltymango wrote:
ok so basicly his strategy is macro. so the hardest counter to this would be macro better.

Good response, I understand that. Problem is that he split the map in half by doing this to his third (on the gold), his fourth, fifth, and sixth.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
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