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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Master_Blaster
United Kingdom269 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:08 diophan wrote: You really think it's a Korean principle to, if you're paid to have people watch you play a game, actually make some attempt at playing the game? Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. | ||
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RoyalCheese
Czech Republic745 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:10 Canucklehead wrote: Gom isn't worried about losing subscriptions by kicking naniwa, cause they'll gain twice as many by inviting idra and sen.  Well, i will be resubscribing after like 6 months of not being subscribed...<3 my boy IdrA...I'm ok with naniwa being punished, hopefully he will learn his lesson and so will everyone else. It's a bit harsh, but sometimes that's what has to be done. | ||
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Polox
Sweden115 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:11 JoeSchmoe wrote: lol "wont' realize the truth". you're the one who can't accept the truth that Naniwa is not a top because of your bias. why are you even trying to argue with my opinions? no one cares if you think he's a top foreigner. his record in the GSL indicates he can't perform at the highest levels. enough said. Call me bias all you want, but look at the foreigners achievments and compare them. That shoulden't be so hard even for you. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45051 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:05 dp wrote: The point is that what Naniwa finds to be meaningless at the time is not relevant. He is there to do a job, whether he wants to or not doesn't matter. Whether the outcome matters is irrelavant. If I go to work today and no customers come in, my boss still has to pay he. He can't decide not to. Likewise if I go in tomorrow and don't work while there are customers there, he has the right to fire me. This is how the world works. His personal view on the situation at the time doesn't matter. He did his job. Even if he was contracted to play a game vs. Nestea regardless of their 0-3 records, he sat in the booth and started the game. It's not like he didn't show up. You don't like his strategy? You don't like the lack of entertainment? Tough luck. Plenty of people don't like cheese and all-in strategies any more than a worker rush; they consider not standard play "not even trying". You can't make a person try to win a game that has no meaning for them. He did what he needed to do. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:12 FiWiFaKi wrote: Nani won this money for doing good in other tournaments, they weren't paying him. Did you bother to look at the prize structure for the Blizzard Cup? I guess not... | ||
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Tef
Sweden443 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:10 BlazingGlory wrote: So who actually knew beforehand MLG Providence doesnt give you code S seed ? Nobody, except perhaps MLG and GOM... I think MLG should come out and explain the possibly false advertisement.or missinformation they have been communicated. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:11 Locustrockz wrote: So DRG isn't good enough? How about Puma? DRG has a much better record in GSL, GSTL and the special tournaments like AOL, he didn't lose all his games. He also qualified for Code A, and this season, by making it back to Code S after losing in the first round, proved that he deserves to be there. He also finished first in his group in this very tournament that Naniwa went 0-4... | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
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RoKetha
United States211 Posts
Either Naniwa made a rational, self-interested and legal decision and GOMTV did too, or Naniwa did something unacceptable and GOMTV is punishing him for it. You can't say that Naniwa is allowed to act purely out of self-interest but that GOMTV is not. In both cases, there is no written or legal contract being violated, only social expectations. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:11 aviator116 wrote: watch the recent State of the Game. the guys on it essentially disprove all of your points better than i can. Bullshit, half of his points are talking about things that happened after SotG had aired for fuck sake. The MVP thing wasn't discussed at all. The first two points are pretty much exactly what Tyler was saying. | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:13 Master_Blaster wrote: Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. They were invited to a tournament where all people in the tournament get prize money. This means they were paid to play, plain and simple. | ||
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archangel967
Canada111 Posts
Was taking away his Code S spot harsh? Maybe. But it might make players think twice before they do this sort of thing in a tournament. (It might not make Naniwa think twice but he's not the only player intended to receive this message.) | ||
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zala2023
United States228 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:10 Wallstreet11 wrote: I find it mindbloggling that the US citizens are the ones who are hating on Naniwa the most out of all Western countires it seems. How does that correlate to the fact that your hero is an even bigger BMer? I like them both but how the hell can you stand by idrA completely and toss Naniwa under the bus or are you under cover koreans with fake accounts? Unlike naniwa who amoves probes and shits on all the viewers, idra tries his best, get crushed, and then start bming/ranting about protoss op. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:13 Master_Blaster wrote: Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. They are indirectly paid to play for us. If no one watched anyone play Starcraft do you really think teams would pay people to play? Obviously not. | ||
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:10 Exarl25 wrote: It's completely untrue, if you believe it then you don't know a fucking thing about Naniwa. The head of the GSL publicly slandering a player while simultaneously complaining about lack of professionalism seems incredibly hypocritical to me. I wonder how Mr Chae feels about Stephano, someone who is completely open about the fact that he is only in it for the money. Regardless of whether or not Naniwa deserved to lose his Code S spot over this, such statements are completely out of line. Yeah, not the first time to see head of teams or coaches etc slandering players either... Different dynamic in the country. | ||
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ffdestiny
United States773 Posts
He's not very articulate about what to do in a business sense (and I like that quality of him going against the grain), but he does realize the politics and apologizes when he felt fans were/are upset. Yet, as a community all we do is piss on him for being the person he is, but treat Day9 as a "fuckable puppet" as per last night's SoTG. So the justification is that it's fine for Day9 to "act the way he does" as long as it agrees with the hive mentality. Even Idra can't take the shit most of the time... I can't believe how many people hate him one day, and love him another just for him not putting on a show or acting out of character. It's all hopping on the bandwagon and little thinking--Nani is caught in the middle. | ||
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InvXXVII
Canada242 Posts
Every time something like this happens, he's always tweeting "I didn't mean to do it", but really he needs to start considering the potential consequences of his actions. He's in Korea and the GSL is a TV show. We're not just talking about being able to play good SC2 here, we're also talking about having good showmanship. Just look at HuK and MC, they're just as "cocky" as Nani is, but they adapt to what the fans want and they follow the rules instead of just doing whatever feels right. Honestly, if Nani had sat up straight and probe rushed while looking concentrated, this might not have happened. I honestly hope that Naniwa will change after this. He's a great player, but he won't last very long playing like that. | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:14 Exarl25 wrote: Bullshit, half of his points are talking about things that happened after SotG had aired for fuck sake. The MVP thing wasn't discussed at all. The first two points are pretty much exactly what Tyler was saying. EDIT: the korean reaction points. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:12 MorroW wrote: im just happy i won this game else i might have been working at mcdonalds + Show Spoiler + just an inappropriate joke to lighten up the mood  people will take it serious, though. completely different scenario, probably a ladder match (?) and a viable strat as you pumped drones and it was the smallest map ever (or? ^^). gj though | ||
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