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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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PhoenixDark
United States286 Posts
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Polox
Sweden115 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:01 JoeSchmoe wrote: go ahead, you have nothing else to say. of course they can. the chances are just smaller. what do you think their win rates on on ladder and televised matches 99%? obviously not. If you are going to argument that way, then 100% of the pro gamers can take games off anyone but the chances are so minimal it doesn't happen. If you fail to see that Naniwa is a top foreigner then as I already said, you have already made up your mind about it and won't realize the truth, thus you have nothing to contribute with to this discussion. | ||
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Mietiex
Netherlands31 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:05 ZeaL. wrote: If I see any more people saying that Naniwa was using a "strategy" that could have won (nonzero win percentage lol!) and is comparable to proxy 2-gate or anything cheesy, I think I'm going to have an aneurysm. Really says a lot about the sc2 community. The fact that people are like LULZ I FOUND IT HILARIOUS... sigh. At least it seems like these people constitute <50% of the posters. Personally I could care less, I just find the fact that people are defending naniwa to be mindblowing. Apparently you care more than you would admit. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:05 Femari wrote: And the spot would've been for a 2012 tournament so your point is? The MLG was played in 2011, it doesnt state the the code S-spot must be in 2011. | ||
nimdil
Poland3751 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:06 baoluvboa wrote: Which is why it did not apply to 2012. You are making the same point as me. It doesn't say it is limited to 2011 GSL Events anywhere. | ||
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Cheeseburgered
United States716 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:42 Niyanyo wrote: Wow... I was about to purchase a year pass with the new model, but this is just wrong. It was as much or more fault of the tournament as it was for Naniwa. If this goes thru I am not purchasing de pass as protest. It looks like GOMTV will have to file for bankrupcy due to this happening... | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:07 Master_Blaster wrote: Not all warriors are Samurais so why make them harakiri even though they don't have the some principles of life? GOM is forcing the korean principles on StarCraft over the foreign scene and i don't actually like that. You really think it's a Korean principle to, if you're paid to have people watch you play a game, actually make some attempt at playing the game? | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:03 nimdil wrote: It's different for 2012. But it refers only to 2011 MLG events, not to 2011 MLG EVENTS -> 2011 GSL EVENTS combinations. We should have been able to read the agreement directly. Dude, they are going to make up whatever rules fit whatever they want to do. There is no contractual obligations in eSports, there is only the community and the tournament organizers. If they don't want NaNi to play, he won't play. If in the future they decide no foreigners can play, then that's what will happen. There is no regulation, we all depend on the people who run GSL, MLG, etc to maintain a standard that is impartial. When they cite ambiguous rules that can easily be construed to fit the actions of multiple players in the past then we just have to accept their actions. If HuK had been banned from MLG after his actions at DC 2010 and later admitting to throwing his game against Select on SOTG, the community would have been in an uproar. But, this is NaNi in the GSL so half the community is not thinking about the situation and its implications. | ||
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MandoRelease
France374 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:51 Locustrockz wrote: One season? That's if he can make it through the hell that is code b. There are so many good players that are unable to get through code b. Don't treat it like is cake. He's 0-10 in GSL right now, and if he can't get through code B, then I think it means he's just not good enough. I personnally won't miss him if he can't get to code S again and get stuck in code B. | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:06 LeopoldStotch wrote: I thought it was funny and deserving, he got a laugh out of me. But its for sure false.. and you likeing people who make up words like that to insult other ppl make you worse then both of them. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:01 Giriath wrote: In a court of law a rule on a contract like the one GomTV used to remove NaNiWa's rights to play in Code S would get laughed at, and then GomTV would get sued. You can't have a rule that literally means players can't play a game outside the preferences of the GomTV management, and then not state what those preferences are-rules have to be clear and precise in a real, professional business environment. The GomTV management have proved themselves more incompetent with every step they've taken in regards to this incident, and have perhaps even acted illegally. I doubt Quantic would want to go through the hassle of suing them when NaNiWa was not actually banned, but they should, for themselves and the entire community who would be much better off if Mr. Chae and the GomTV management were removed and replaced with people more able to organize and run an event like the GSL. Uh, not to be silly here, but you have no idea how Korean contracts are interpreted, or how a court might rule. Note: I am a lawyer, but not in Korea. Unless you are a Korean lawyer, it's a bit silly to state how a relevant court (i.e. Korea--it's a Korean situation) would rule. | ||
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zguL
33 Posts
- Naniwa should have just played the game, but it's much easier to make this decision in retrospect when we have all witnessed the reaction of Korea and others. - Despite this, however, I still stand behind Naniwa even though he probe rushed. He had just suffered a bitter 0 - 3 defeat, and it was impossible for him to advance in the tournament. He was about to play a (tournament-wise) meaningless match. People who have followed Naniwa knows that the only thing that matters to Naniwa is winning, second place is nothing to him. Yes, he still should have played the game but I understand why, in the heat of the moment, he made that decision. - Team MVPs official twitter message is in my opinion much more unprofessional than this whole incident. To officially hate on Naniwa this way, even though he has been training in their team house, is just really, really low. - Calling Naniwa an amateur prize money hunter on Blizzard tournament's live stream is just as unprofessional as what Team MVP twittered. - Not letting him have his code S spot (that he himself earned) because he chose not to play an irrelevant match is a stupid decision. GSL really overreacted here. - Final point: Naniwa made a bad decision, and GSL/Korea/Other overreacted. Naniwa deserves better. He did not try to intentionally disrespect anyone. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:05 aviator116 wrote: starcraft is a way of life for koreans. they're willing to go the distance to create the best games and hire the best casters, so its pretty stupid that the ones who benefit from all this arent willing to spend a few bucks to keep it going. I mean hiring English caster, renting house for foreigners who would be likely to go home after one playday and free stream for all of us non-korean. Why would GOM do that if it's not for the sake of e-sport ? | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:03 nimdil wrote: It's different for 2012. But it refers only to 2011 MLG events, not to 2011 MLG EVENTS -> 2011 GSL EVENTS combinations. We should have been able to read the agreement directly. It also says that in every MLG, 4 Korean players will be invited. Didn't see anyone cry "WHY IS PROVIDENCE DIFFERENT!!" back then. | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:07 Master_Blaster wrote: Not all warriors are Samurais so why make them harakiri even though they don't have the some principles of life? GOM is forcing the korean principles on StarCraft over the foreign scene and i don't actually like that. That match had to been canceled. The grudge match we all expected was not when they were both 0-3 and lost all motivation. People brining this lie to themselves that it was an important match. Non of the both players could have bragged about that match even if they played seriously because of the circumstances. And the reasoning is clearly subjective and addressed to Naniwa because the same characteristics apply to idrA, the new invite but we don't see them to have any problem with him at the moment. first off, foreigners WANT to play in GSL. koreans don't need them to show up LOL. if youre going to play in somebody else's house, you better play by their rules. it was a pointless match. then again, why do MLG players keep playing even when they know they can't win the championship? idra's the next highest ranked foreigner so... | ||
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nooZe
Germany25 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:58 theOnslaught wrote: The punishment suited the offence, to begin with GOM has no responsibility to help Foreigners an easier entry to the GSL (The most prestigious tournament in the world), but yet they've come out of their way to help them, by adding english streams, a progaming house when they can live if they go to Korea, and even giving them seeds so they don't have to go through the nasty Code A Qualifications. No. GOM made decisions to get more money, just like any other company does. They are no heroes, they just know that foreigners mean a new market. This has nothing to do with being the good guys but with thinking economically... (It's not that I think they aren't nice, but it's just naive to think this is the reason behind involving foreign pros) Also I think It's totally unprofessional to just decline a Code S spot that was earned through playing a tournament. It's not like they gave him the spot for free, he earned it. Thus he should not get punished so harsh, just because he used a tactic that GOM didn't approve of. That's really dirty. | ||
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BlazingGlory
Bulgaria855 Posts
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:06 LeopoldStotch wrote: I thought it was funny and deserving, he got a laugh out of me. It's completely untrue, if you believe it then you don't know a fucking thing about Naniwa. The head of the GSL publicly slandering a player while simultaneously complaining about lack of professionalism seems incredibly hypocritical to me. I wonder how Mr Chae feels about Stephano, someone who is completely open about the fact that he is only in it for the money. Regardless of whether or not Naniwa deserved to lose his Code S spot over this, such statements are completely out of line. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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Master_Blaster
United Kingdom269 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:07 Cheeseburgered wrote: It looks like GOMTV will have to file for bankrupcy due to this happening... The polls actually say different. The are more people against GOMs decision than are for it. | ||
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