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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:07 Mietiex wrote: Apparently you care more than you would admit. I don't care about Naniwa losing his code s spot or being a dick, if gom didn't do anything it would be fine by me. The last bit of money I put into SC2 was over half a year ago. I just find it sad that the sc2 community defends players like naniwa. | ||
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firrae
Canada68 Posts
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dp
United States234 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:03 ToasteR_ wrote: Your example is over the top but its completely different because there's SOMETHING to be won..$2500 as opposed to NOTHING like going 2nd last or last in the group stage. Your right he was being a smartass, i never argued for his decisions i just let you know your example was completely irrelevant to the situation Sorry if I am somehow not being clear on this, so let me recap. The example I gave was to show that your views on his actions don't matter. If he feels that the extra $2,500 is meaningless that day, and doesn't play, there is no difference. HIS VIEW ON IT. I can explain why it could be meaningless to him, but that is besides the point. The point is that he felt it was meaningless and didn't play. The fans, sponsors, and nestea did not see it as meaningless. If they had, there would be no backlash. The point is that his view on what is meaningless or not doesn't matter. He knew he was required to play. He didn't. There are consequences to not doing your job, even if you believe you don't have to. | ||
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Wallstreet11
133 Posts
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Xialos
Canada508 Posts
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:05 ZeaL. wrote: If I see any more people saying that Naniwa was using a "strategy" that could have won (nonzero win percentage lol!) and is comparable to proxy 2-gate or anything cheesy, I think I'm going to have an aneurysm. Really says a lot about the sc2 community. The fact that people are like LULZ I FOUND IT HILARIOUS... sigh. At least it seems like these people constitute <50% of the posters. Personally I could care less, I just find the fact that people are defending naniwa to be mindblowing. I find it mindblowing that people who claim to value competition want players to be forced to fake it when there is no competition. | ||
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:08 MandoRelease wrote: He's 0-10 in GSL right now, and if he can't get through code B, then I think it means he's just not good enough. I personnally won't miss him if he can't get to code S again and get stuck in code B. So DRG isn't good enough? How about Puma? | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:09 zguL wrote: My two cents about the incident, in bullet form :-) - Naniwa should have just played the game, but it's much easier to make this decision in retrospect when we have all witnessed the reaction of Korea and others. - Despite this, however, I still stand behind Naniwa even though he probe rushed. He had just suffered a bitter 0 - 3 defeat, and it was impossible for him to advance in the tournament. He was about to play a (tournament-wise) meaningless match. People who have followed Naniwa knows that the only thing that matters to Naniwa is winning, second place is nothing to him. Yes, he still should have played the game but I understand why, in the heat of the moment, he made that decision. - Team MVPs official twitter message is in my opinion much more unprofessional than this whole incident. To officially hate on Naniwa this way, even though he has been training in their team house, is just really, really low. - Calling Naniwa an amateur prize money hunter on Blizzard tournament's live stream is just as unprofessional as what Team MVP twittered. - Not letting him have his code S spot (that he himself earned) because he chose not to play an irrelevant match is a stupid decision. GSL really overreacted here. - Final point: Naniwa made a bad decision, and GSL/Korea/Other overreacted. Naniwa deserves better. He did not try to intentionally disrespect anyone. watch the recent State of the Game. the guys on it essentially disprove all of your points better than i can. | ||
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MrHills
United States4 Posts
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:07 Polox wrote: If you are going to argument that way, then 100% of the pro gamers can take games off anyone but the chances are so minimal it doesn't happen. If you fail to see that Naniwa is a top foreigner then as I already said, you have already made up your mind about it and won't realize the truth, thus you have nothing to contribute with to this discussion. lol "wont' realize the truth". you're the one who can't accept the truth that Naniwa is not a top foreigner because of your bias. why are you even trying to argue with my opinions? no one cares if you think he's a top foreigner. his record in the GSL indicates he can't perform at the highest levels. enough said. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:10 See.Blue wrote: Lol at everyone not purchasing passes anymore cause of this. I'm totally pro that, without those clowns maybe the forums'll improve again Hear hear, maybe LR threads now will be actually enjoyable to read again. Good riddance IMO | ||
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schI2ler
129 Posts
What are you looking into? Did he or did he not qualify for code S? All the drama in this thread is about were they allowed to drop him, if he was an invite yes, if not...problematic... SO pleas MLG was he an invite to code S or was he a qualified player? 2) 2012 had a format change, where GOM had two "code s seed" spots that they were going to use as invites instead of a direct MLG seed like the 2011 season. Due to this format change, Naniwa was supposed to be one of these code s seed invites instead of getting that direct MLG seed providence was 2011 | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
Who are they to judge what motivates are "right" for playing tournaments. The vague rules annoy me too, like someone said - manner mules can be considered offensive too. Progamers have the right to play how they want and they can have any attitude they desire, as long as there aren't serious negative effects it doesn't matter. It's a flawed system and Gom can't expect players to play their best without motivation. Nani won this money for doing good in other tournaments, they weren't paying him. In the end Gom has every right to do this as it's their tournament, but it takes away a lot of the legitimacy. | ||
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Giriath
Sweden2412 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:02 mazwoo wrote: Wow...sorry, but thats just ridiculous. I mean, i think it is a pretty hard punishment, it may even be to hard. But i can respect that decision. I think the Korean culture is vastly different, and things like always giving your best are very important to them. I mean, one thing korean players will always say in interviews is that they try to show the best games possible to their fans. I'm actually ashamed that this community seems unable to understand that. Everybody saying that GOM is unprofessional etc., isnt even trying to understand why throwing a game in a korean tournament may be a bigger deal for koreans than for us. GOM provided us with the best production, best/fastest vods, highest quality games. How can you say they aren't respecting their customers? Because they banned a player that refused to put on a show for said customers? If anybody in all of this isnt respecting his "customers", it is Naniwa. They made starcraft 2 to what it is in korea today. I sure hope they keep leading Esports, because they have done a pretty good job so far. To loose "all respect" because of this, what childish behavior is this? Everybody saying they will no longer support GOM, just because they acted according to their cultural values, is - in my opinion - ignorant. You don't understand how law and business work. GomTV literally cannot do what they have done; the "rule" they used to punish NaNiWa is not a legit rule you can have on a contract. GomTV is not a saint that brings you SC2 entertainment, they are a company that has responsibilities. In breaking those responsibilities, they should be sued, those responsible judged and we viewers finally (hopefully) get a competent GSL management team. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + just an inappropriate joke to lighten up the mood  | ||
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:10 See.Blue wrote: Lol at everyone not purchasing passes anymore cause of this. I'm totally pro that, without those clowns maybe the forums'll improve again Well, idra just got a spot.... | ||
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jakoh
Canada237 Posts
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:11 windsupernova wrote: Hear hear, maybe LR threads now will be actually enjoyable to read again. Good riddance IMO please, can i have all the reasonable posters stand up... | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:11 Xialos wrote: It's ethically and legally a HUGE mistake by GOM. philosophically speaking Unless you know Korean law and have access to their contracts, it is difficult to say whether this is a legal mistake. I suspect they consulted lawyers before they did this. | ||
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