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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 15 2011 02:23 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:21 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 02:18 Femari wrote:On December 15 2011 02:13 Kryptic.610 wrote:On December 15 2011 02:07 Tachion wrote:On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote:
but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here
a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense It's one game. Just play it for the fans, it's really not that big a deal. Small price to pay for being able to participate in the biggest tournament in the world. Like Morrow put it earlier, Naniwa shouldn't be forced to be an actor. Naniwa is the probably the most genuine progamer out there, I hate that Gom is trying to destroying the integrity of the game. This whole situation made possible and brought to you by Gom's horrible format! Basically, Gom shouldn't shit where they eat. Naniwa shouldn't be forced to be an actor, but if he should do his job. He is a pro gamer. He legally agreed to the format and to said he'd play all the games. Naniwa acted highly unprofessionally and childish. So what you went 0-3, you agreed to the format and said you'd play all your games. Instead you threw a fit and decided fuck GOM I'm going to throw this game and he got punished for it. Naniwa is the one destroying the integrity of the game. GOM is being a professional organization and not rolling over cause some childish player is upset of a format that HE AGREED TO. sorry but were you in the same room where gomtv talked to naniwa about the terms and wether or wether not he had to play all his games regardless of the situataion? if what your saying is true, if they player agrees before the tournament to play all the games regardless of the situation, then yes he did wrong. but if thats not the case your just lying and theres no reason to discuss with u are you saying Naniwa didnt read or know about the format? before agreeing to play in front of TV audience in a scheduled match? Morrow, I wish you all the best in korea and show foreigner pride but I just dont support such perspective.
well clearly naniwa did not know what he agreed to because no remotely smart person would probe rush knowing he would lose code S to it
ive never played a tournament where someone said i HAD to play. giving walkovers is standard (if the game doesnt matter) and you get away with it in all tournaments ive played this far. so wouldnt be surprised if naniwa was under the same impressions
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On December 15 2011 02:07 Shortynut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:02 QuasarStarcraft wrote:
Ok first off since everyone is going into other sports, in the NFL usually when a team has lost the game (its a blow out) they will try to end the game by running the ball. This is obviously not trying to win as being down 20 points is not recovered from running the ball with little time left. Near the end of the season when guaranteed playoffs or home-field advantage teams have no incentive to win (none at all), this leads to most if not all first-string(starting) players getting the day off (again not trying to win).
In my opinion GOM should not take away Naniwa's Code S spot. It in my opinion is a slap in the face to the "League Exchange" where I believe that "abusive behavior" rule was taken to the most extreme you can possibly take a rule in applying it to something it doesn't apply to. The point of this was GOM feeling pressure from the Korean culture and populace to do something about Naniwa "throwing" a game, even though there is no specific rule and what Naniwa did wasn't illegal. This shows that if GOM doesn't like you, or doesn't like something you did they can take whatever action they want regardless of any rules or agreements
tl;dr
Other sports do this
IMO GOM reacted to pressure and not to a rule being broken
GOM set precedent if they don't like what you did can do whatever they want
Naniwa should be awarded the Code S spot he rightfully earned It happens in all sports around the world, an Australian football team in the last match of the 2011 Ladder season rested only 4 of their key players because they were guaranteed 1st, and were thrashed hard! Though they didn't intentionally throw the game, they just fielded a weaker team.
Resting key players in other sports is an entirely different situation than this. First, in that situation there are obvious benefits to the team: reduced risk of injury to key players for future games / playoffs, game experience for second string players, etc. Also, they're not deliberately losing the game. Reducing their chances of winning a meaningless game to gain more valuable benefits yes, deliberately losing no. Those kind of things would be more equivalent to doing something like a 4 gate or proxy 2 gate - he would be reducing his chance to win a meaningless game in order to protect his prepared strong PvZ plays for later use. Also, either of those would be playing the game for the fans. What Naniwa did was more equivalent to a soccer (football) team kicking the ball into their own goal and walking off the field.
Almost every sport broadcasts meaningless games from time to time. They can even happen in huge tournaments like World Cup. You don't see professional teams not show up for them. Rest their starters if there is some benefit for later games yes, but not deliberately giving the other team a win.
This type of game also happened in Brood War in the OSL, where you'd have 2 players who were already eliminated, or two who were finishing 1st and 4th in their group regardless of the outcome of their game. This type of thing never happened in OSL that I'm aware of.
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On December 15 2011 02:22 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:20 LeopoldStotch wrote:On December 15 2011 02:01 kickinhead wrote:On December 15 2011 01:54 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Well this is. . .unfortunate.
Reasonable decision from GOM. Sucks for Naniwa, but it's his own fault completely. how can anyone truly mean this? He threw a game that didn't matter - How is it reasonable to deny him a code-S spot he clearly earned from MLG (and I remember vividly how commentators, twitter-posts etc. stated that nani has won a Code-S spot so don't try and tell me otherwise, because this was one of the highlights of that MLG for me - Nani getting into Code-S), to totally call him out and to trashtalk about him and even publish statements from other totally close-minded coaches from the KeSpa-era that publicly shit on Nani. Because he threw a game that didn't matter? Was it stupid by Nani? Yes. Was it a slap in the face to his fans? Yes. But the fact is, that it's understandable due to the stupid format, his emotional status and there is no clear ruling that allows GSL to deny his Code-S spot. By the logic ppl like you apply, you should be able to put ppl in Prison that forgot to buy you a birthday-present.... -.-° Cuz thats also disappointing to you and there is no rule against it, so you can apply any punishment you feel is accurate; just totally arbitrary and because you can.... Too bad there is a rule against what Naniwa did. - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours What about manner mules, proxy nexi?
Please continue strawmaning gomtv, as it adds real value to this discussion and is totally productive. /sarcasm
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I'm going to call for equality here. Nestea admitted to fucking around in his game against HuK in the all-star matches, I feel he should lose his code S spot for it. Gom should treat each situation objectively, this makes them look pretty damn racist.
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On December 15 2011 02:21 eteran wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:20 LeopoldStotch wrote:On December 15 2011 02:01 kickinhead wrote:On December 15 2011 01:54 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Well this is. . .unfortunate.
Reasonable decision from GOM. Sucks for Naniwa, but it's his own fault completely. how can anyone truly mean this? He threw a game that didn't matter - How is it reasonable to deny him a code-S spot he clearly earned from MLG (and I remember vividly how commentators, twitter-posts etc. stated that nani has won a Code-S spot so don't try and tell me otherwise, because this was one of the highlights of that MLG for me - Nani getting into Code-S), to totally call him out and to trashtalk about him and even publish statements from other totally close-minded coaches from the KeSpa-era that publicly shit on Nani. Because he threw a game that didn't matter? Was it stupid by Nani? Yes. Was it a slap in the face to his fans? Yes. But the fact is, that it's understandable due to the stupid format, his emotional status and there is no clear ruling that allows GSL to deny his Code-S spot. By the logic ppl like you apply, you should be able to put ppl in Prison that forgot to buy you a birthday-present.... -.-° Cuz thats also disappointing to you and there is no rule against it, so you can apply any punishment you feel is accurate; just totally arbitrary and because you can.... Too bad there is a rule against what Naniwa did. - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours I'm offended by the era of 1-1-1 (and many others aswell). Please remove all players that used that build from CodeS. Basing decisions on such a vague and subjective rule is terrible.
It's offensive to you because it had a high rate of success right?
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On December 15 2011 02:22 pPingu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:21 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 02:20 pPingu wrote:On December 15 2011 02:16 HolydaKing wrote:On December 15 2011 02:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 15 2011 02:13 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 02:10 TiTanIum_ wrote:
When IdrA left the GSL mid season, no one gave two thoughts about it. There wasn´t a 230+ page thread on Team Liquid and GOM didn´t ban IdrA from GSL. Now Nani drops a meaningless game and there is this shit storm. I really can´t understand. ----------------------------------------- /End thread _______________________________ I thought he quit right before the start of the season? This is what i thought as well. IdrA's departure was no big thing, Rain's was a different thing though. I still don't get the rain story. Rain said he was leaving korea and was gonna live in NY so he wouldn't play GSL and they... baned him of 2 GSL seasons? WTF? I think rain just disappeared and didn't show up Eah it was too late to replace him, but why would he care being banned from GSL if he is not gonna play?
This is the main reason why GOM decided not to invite NaNiwa.
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On December 15 2011 02:22 Locustrockz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:20 LeopoldStotch wrote:On December 15 2011 02:01 kickinhead wrote:On December 15 2011 01:54 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Well this is. . .unfortunate.
Reasonable decision from GOM. Sucks for Naniwa, but it's his own fault completely. how can anyone truly mean this? He threw a game that didn't matter - How is it reasonable to deny him a code-S spot he clearly earned from MLG (and I remember vividly how commentators, twitter-posts etc. stated that nani has won a Code-S spot so don't try and tell me otherwise, because this was one of the highlights of that MLG for me - Nani getting into Code-S), to totally call him out and to trashtalk about him and even publish statements from other totally close-minded coaches from the KeSpa-era that publicly shit on Nani. Because he threw a game that didn't matter? Was it stupid by Nani? Yes. Was it a slap in the face to his fans? Yes. But the fact is, that it's understandable due to the stupid format, his emotional status and there is no clear ruling that allows GSL to deny his Code-S spot. By the logic ppl like you apply, you should be able to put ppl in Prison that forgot to buy you a birthday-present.... -.-° Cuz thats also disappointing to you and there is no rule against it, so you can apply any punishment you feel is accurate; just totally arbitrary and because you can.... Too bad there is a rule against what Naniwa did. - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours explain to me how doing a strategy that is almost guaranteed to lose you the game is abusive? If that's the case than Nestea needs some punishment as well.
Why does Nestea need punishment?
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On December 15 2011 02:20 LeopoldStotch wrote:- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours
I'd hardly call proberushing abusive or offensive, though.
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Hmm, its somewhat hard.
I would say a player has a right to forfeit any game, at any time. You are allowed to surrender in game, so why not before the start of a game. This happens often in for instance Magic, when a player has already achieved top 8, or is sure to have no chance of reaching it.
On the other hand, in many other professional sports this doesnt happen. In football i've never seen a team outright forfeiting a match, they play their substitutes at most.
I think there should simply be clear rules on this, and act by them. If there were no rules there can be no punishment. Offending the audience or opponent is a bit too ambiguous for me.
I also fear/think forfeiting should simply be allowed, as it would take care of any motivation problems that influence matches like these. That would mean i'd also advocate for it in other sports, and if it results in these matches influencing group standings for others that is a flaw of the tournament structure or the responsibility of the player with the short straw regarding the schedule.
My reaction to seeing it happen btw was a smirk and understanding where he came from. It even made me question why i started watching the game over another while there was nothing at stake  .
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On December 15 2011 02:23 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:22 Asymmetric wrote:On December 15 2011 02:19 baoluvboa wrote:On December 15 2011 02:18 Asymmetric wrote:On December 15 2011 02:17 Clefairy wrote:On December 15 2011 02:14 Asymmetric wrote:Just so we can clear things up what is the minium work required to put into a exhibition match before it stops being "legitimate" and becomes a "sham" Is there an APM limit you've got to reach or a certain miminium strategy you've got to pursue. "You must at very least 4-gate or cannon rush as protoss and reach an average APM of 50" I just want some clear guides from GOM for the players  At the very least don't take your hand off your keyboard and rest your head in your keyboard hand. There's no need for clear guides, just common sense. No. There really is a need for clear guide lines if your going to start banning players on subjective whims. These "subjective whims" are pretty much common sense, if you have any sense of respect or self-control you would have no problem. Stop using the term common sense. It means entirely different things to different people. If you want Esports to be taken seriously then your going to have to have a proper decesion making process not these knee jerk 24hour reactions from GOMTV. I see that you understand the concept. Then you should understand GOM's decision as well instead of asserting your "common sense" on the situation.
My argument is for the rule of law, not the rule of men. "Common sense" whatever that even means is an entirely undefinably characteristic.
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On December 15 2011 02:23 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:20 LeopoldStotch wrote:On December 15 2011 02:01 kickinhead wrote:On December 15 2011 01:54 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Well this is. . .unfortunate.
Reasonable decision from GOM. Sucks for Naniwa, but it's his own fault completely. how can anyone truly mean this? He threw a game that didn't matter - How is it reasonable to deny him a code-S spot he clearly earned from MLG (and I remember vividly how commentators, twitter-posts etc. stated that nani has won a Code-S spot so don't try and tell me otherwise, because this was one of the highlights of that MLG for me - Nani getting into Code-S), to totally call him out and to trashtalk about him and even publish statements from other totally close-minded coaches from the KeSpa-era that publicly shit on Nani. Because he threw a game that didn't matter? Was it stupid by Nani? Yes. Was it a slap in the face to his fans? Yes. But the fact is, that it's understandable due to the stupid format, his emotional status and there is no clear ruling that allows GSL to deny his Code-S spot. By the logic ppl like you apply, you should be able to put ppl in Prison that forgot to buy you a birthday-present.... -.-° Cuz thats also disappointing to you and there is no rule against it, so you can apply any punishment you feel is accurate; just totally arbitrary and because you can.... Too bad there is a rule against what Naniwa did. - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours What bitbybit did was pretty offensive to the audience. so was all the 1-1-1ing some seasons ago :/
No, they are not. Their intentions were to win, they followed all rules of this game.
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What a joke. To think I was actually thinking of buying a pass. Players should get together and let them know shit like this is not acceptable.
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On December 15 2011 02:23 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:21 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 02:18 Femari wrote:On December 15 2011 02:13 Kryptic.610 wrote:On December 15 2011 02:07 Tachion wrote:On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote:
but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here
a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense It's one game. Just play it for the fans, it's really not that big a deal. Small price to pay for being able to participate in the biggest tournament in the world. Like Morrow put it earlier, Naniwa shouldn't be forced to be an actor. Naniwa is the probably the most genuine progamer out there, I hate that Gom is trying to destroying the integrity of the game. This whole situation made possible and brought to you by Gom's horrible format! Basically, Gom shouldn't shit where they eat. Naniwa shouldn't be forced to be an actor, but if he should do his job. He is a pro gamer. He legally agreed to the format and to said he'd play all the games. Naniwa acted highly unprofessionally and childish. So what you went 0-3, you agreed to the format and said you'd play all your games. Instead you threw a fit and decided fuck GOM I'm going to throw this game and he got punished for it. Naniwa is the one destroying the integrity of the game. GOM is being a professional organization and not rolling over cause some childish player is upset of a format that HE AGREED TO. sorry but were you in the same room where gomtv talked to naniwa about the terms and wether or wether not he had to play all his games regardless of the situataion? if what your saying is true, if they player agrees before the tournament to play all the games regardless of the situation, then yes he did wrong. but if thats not the case your just lying and theres no reason to discuss with u are you saying Naniwa didnt read or know about the format? before agreeing to play in front of TV audience in a scheduled match? Morrow, I wish you all the best in korea and show foreigner pride but I just dont support such perspective.
You do realise that so far in any GSL tournament the matches that did not influence the promotion/demotion were not played? It was safe to assume that those game would not be played in blizzard cup as well. Even moletrap who cast the games himself was not sure if the game is going to be played till they started it. It's entirely possible that Naniwa did not know it either and it wasn't his fault.
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On December 15 2011 02:24 Snijjer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:21 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 02:18 Snijjer wrote:On December 15 2011 02:09 Warent wrote:On December 15 2011 02:02 Holloworb wrote:On December 15 2011 01:53 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:45 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote:
but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here
a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense when the money and sponsors are involved you dont get to chose which games you dont want to play as a player. if it is scheduled, and if you are paid, you should play. and at least make in plausible. do you watch world cup? I guess you dont well as a player, again, i would never want to act a game for my fans. would make me feel like a fraud. plus i would never want to watch or hear that flash (who i am fan of) would be forced to act a game that doesnt matter but if you sign the contract and make it clear with the tournament admins that you HAVE to play ALL games, then this was wrong by naniwa. but we get into these iffy situations at times because of the tournament organisation, and their format doesnt make it clear to the players what they have to do when they sign up for the tournament. if gsl said in beforehand "naniwa, even if you lose 0-3 and some other guy lose 0-3, you still have to play your game against him even if the game doesnt matter at all, try to make the game look good okok?". so agreeing to these things in beforehand is the orgas responsibility, not the players if naniwa knew this would revoke his code S, im 110% sure he wouldnt probe rush. but the orga failed to "warn" him or make it clear to him about the conditions which is the reason all this happened in the first place. that is why i think it was wrong for gsl to point the finger at naniwa and punish him. that is why i think its the tournament orgas to blame, not the player I understand your reasoning MorroW., but i can't say I agree. You can't get explicitly warned about everything you aren't alowed to or shouldn't do in this world. Everyone is making sport analogies in this thread because thats what you should be comparing yourselves to. Lets say that Djurdgården and AIK met for the final match of the season, there's nothing on the line, all the spots in the league has been decided. So one team decides they dont want to play, they keep score on their own goal etc. You really think there wouldn't have been repercussions? Again the fotball... They would both use their B-teams with unexperienced players whom have everything to gain from showing off their skills to coaches, talent scouts etc. thus making the match count - for the players. And thus this analogy fails - again. No your understanding of what an Analogy is fails. Naniwa is not a set of individuals, he is the team. The team decided to rest their top players - that's their strategy. Their strategy is one which lost them their game. Naniwa played the SC2 game. His strategy - probe rush - was a losing strategy. Naniwa didnt field B team. Fielding B team would be similar to choosing infeior build or cannon rushing. What naniwa did was just standing around fiddling his thumb on the field. there is a degree of effort to be excused. If Naniwa did at least a cannon rushing or 4 gate, he wouldn't get kicked out of the code S. Instead, he a moved his probe. You're right he probably fielded team C, but it doesn't matter - because the result is the same thing as fielding team B.
you dont get it. It's about the result. It's not about Naniwa emotion and the work he put in. I can find many other qualified koreans who put more hours than him.
It's about the competition. Where Naniwa showed none. I see many times less competitive team managing to win against other team because of competition. I'm not even asking Naniwa to show that much effort. A moving his probe was not fielding a C team, it was F team.
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On December 15 2011 02:25 Macavenger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:07 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 02:02 QuasarStarcraft wrote:
Ok first off since everyone is going into other sports, in the NFL usually when a team has lost the game (its a blow out) they will try to end the game by running the ball. This is obviously not trying to win as being down 20 points is not recovered from running the ball with little time left. Near the end of the season when guaranteed playoffs or home-field advantage teams have no incentive to win (none at all), this leads to most if not all first-string(starting) players getting the day off (again not trying to win).
In my opinion GOM should not take away Naniwa's Code S spot. It in my opinion is a slap in the face to the "League Exchange" where I believe that "abusive behavior" rule was taken to the most extreme you can possibly take a rule in applying it to something it doesn't apply to. The point of this was GOM feeling pressure from the Korean culture and populace to do something about Naniwa "throwing" a game, even though there is no specific rule and what Naniwa did wasn't illegal. This shows that if GOM doesn't like you, or doesn't like something you did they can take whatever action they want regardless of any rules or agreements
tl;dr
Other sports do this
IMO GOM reacted to pressure and not to a rule being broken
GOM set precedent if they don't like what you did can do whatever they want
Naniwa should be awarded the Code S spot he rightfully earned It happens in all sports around the world, an Australian football team in the last match of the 2011 Ladder season rested only 4 of their key players because they were guaranteed 1st, and were thrashed hard! Though they didn't intentionally throw the game, they just fielded a weaker team. Resting key players in other sports is an entirely different situation than this. First, in that situation there are obvious benefits to the team: reduced risk of injury to key players for future games / playoffs, game experience for second string players, etc. Also, they're not deliberately losing the game. Reducing their chances of winning a meaningless game to gain more valuable benefits yes, deliberately losing no. Those kind of things would be more equivalent to doing something like a 4 gate or proxy 2 gate - he would be reducing his chance to win a meaningless game in order to protect his prepared strong PvZ plays for later use. Also, either of those would be playing the game for the fans. What Naniwa did was more equivalent to a soccer (football) team kicking the ball into their own goal and walking off the field. Almost every sport broadcasts meaningless games from time to time. They can even happen in huge tournaments like World Cup. You don't see professional teams not show up for them. Rest their starters if there is some benefit for later games yes, but not deliberately giving the other team a win. This type of game also happened in Brood War in the OSL, where you'd have 2 players who were already eliminated, or two who were finishing 1st and 4th in their group regardless of the outcome of their game. This type of thing never happened in OSL that I'm aware of.
There are benefits to not playing a serious game in a tourney - not revealing build order as well as others which Morrow listed.
And they ARE doing the same thing as Nani, not trying their best to win - which is what everyone is crucifying Nani for.
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On December 15 2011 02:22 zala2023 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:14 Jepsyn wrote:
This whole thing is utter bullshit and Mr Chae is a joke. Just because Koreans hgold their self to some bullshit standard of STUPID HONOR that actually means ZERO doesnt mean everyone else has to...
Naniwa is right.. GOM is totally fucking wrong.. Period
User was warned for this post its not necessarily about honor naniwa was shitting on gomtv and all the people watching the game, now hes getting punished for his shit
What does that even mean? Isn't this just a way of saying: "I was upset, I'm glad he got punished"
I mean, even if you think he deserves punishment it should be for something more than making people upset or "disrespecting" them.
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On December 15 2011 02:24 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:23 Kryptic.610 wrote:On December 15 2011 02:16 Fionn wrote:
Idra left after group selections, but before the start of the tournament.
His games were taken as walkovers. So essentially fans were cheated out of seeing Idra games, much like how they didn't get to see Naniwa play. And Idra's games also had significant meaning, where as Naniwa's did not. Hmm. I won't say anymore, but hope that people are smart enough to draw their own conclusions from this. I hope you are smart enough to read the rest of the thread, it has already been addressed, and his situations is nowhere near the same as Naniwa's
Any player who doesn't decide to show up and they're scheduled to play is just as unprofessional.
You cannot blame players for not giving it their 100% when they're beaten up/down at out and have nothing more to play for.
I'm sorry. It doesn't work that way!
The situations that we've seen in almost every tournament is identical; however, Johan took it to the extreme!
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If they want to remove a players well earned seed because "Korean Culture" demands Naniwa pay then that's a perfectly fine action for a Korean Starcraft League. Unfortunately this isn't the KSL, this is the GSL, and if they want to be taken seriously as a "Global" Starcraft League then treating a player like this when he hasn't broken any rules, especially a foreigner, isn't conducive to this.
Ultimately it's their choice whether they want Naniwa in their competition or not, but it's also my choice as to whether I want to spend money on this companies services, I was previously planning to, but after this incident I certainly won't be spending a penny on any GOM.TV services in future; due to their actions which to me seem just as unprofessional as anything Naniwa has done.
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On December 15 2011 02:24 zineryt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:07 Wallstreet11 wrote:
Seriously are you entertainded(Glad inc) by seeing GSL full of koreans who have the exact same haircut, body shape, way of talking and mannerism? When Bomber and MC BM they are "unique" and "funny". When a foreigner like Naniwa does the thumbs down he gets booed at MLG and then he gets a severe punishment for "dissing" as some have called it a korean player?
Haha such a huuuuge amount of hypocrisy. "You do not probe rush a korean player because it was considered disrespectful. THEY WHAT is MC´s thumbs down, Bombers Shannanigans and all who make manner mules/nexi?
That is of course allowed and they don´t get shit for that but when a foreigner does not take a game seriously he gets punished in less than 24h!? Jesus what an organisation To me this is bordering on racism ("The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race" is what I mean by that before someone jumps in with 'but he doesn't hate koreans you are the real racist!') There is a lot of variety in GSL and maybe the reason you don't see it is because of both the language and cultural barrier that exists. Maybe to GSL a thumbs down is adding to the atmosphere and increasing tension, it is certainly quite different to throwing a match in that respect. Same goes with manner mules, manner nexus, they are very very different to throwing a game and for you to say they are the same and they are all BM is just wrong.
manner mule and manner nexus are not true BM for historical reasons, they are acceptable actions since broodwar that gets carried over
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