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Step 1: Play a game of a SC2 poorly yet for some reason feel like you did very well and that you deserved to win the game.
Step 2: Make a post on TL that asks a question that you answer yourself in the following paragraph: "Why did I lose this game? Terran IMBA... etc". ... "Oh and forgot to mention I wasted a retarded amount of money on basically nothing and didn't scout my opponent..."
Step 3: People tell you exactly what you did poorly during the game.
Step 4: Try and justify poor decision-making, while not taking any criticism constructively.
This happens way too often.. This kind of stuff is bad for esports! Manner up, keep the forums clean! ^_^
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On September 18 2011 13:35 Skaggs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 09:36 Swad1000 wrote:
Well you definetly did not outplay the terran. Your engagements in the middle were terrible and you spent more time using what apm you had to storm drop instead of storming his army. You could have taken a 4th earlier and you need more then 6 gates on 3 bases.
Stop spamming cannons and leave a Ht in each base with a cannon or 2. Feedbacking a medivac with good timing and a few warped in chargelots do good versus drops.
On a big macro map like that drop a second forge to get to 3-3 faster.
Did not harass his army/base with dts enough.
That game was far from imba just you playing bad. Firstly, only because you decided to bring up APM, I'll just go ahead and say that "what APM I have" is low (relatively speaking) because I opt not to artificially inflate it at the beginning of matches for no reason. If I did, I promise you'd see my final result at 150-200, just like every other player that spams useless crap. I could have and should have taken a fourth earlier. That's definitely true. That's one thing that I noticed when I watched the replay myself. I don't know what "spamming cannons" is supposed to mean. I just drop a few at my third. That seems completely reasonable to me. I suppose I just don't trust myself to feedback a medivac in time. I feel like it will probably drop before I'll actually notice it, but maybe that's just my lack of map awareness. In a perfect world I should be able to execute this but at this point I don't feel comfortable trying to defend drops with feedback alone. I had more than 6 gates on 3 bases. I'm not retarded. And about the double Forge... yeah, when I saw his Engineering Bays I considered getting double Forge, but I decided against it. I was fairly certain that I could keep up with his upgrades on one Forge just by being better at remembering to research + Chrono boost. I was right; he never had a significant upgrade advantage. Thanks for you input. Edit: Ah, I read the last sentence in your post. I take back that "Thank you for your input". You're a douche.
Thanks I figured that giving smart advice to someone who trys to whine mid game over imbalance and thought so highly of himself was useless so I worded it differently.
Could have just said your a horrible protoss who loses to even worse terrans and should just uninstall starcraft but I tried to be nice. Guess I should have just said that in my first post and got it over with.
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Are you fishing for posts where people "acknowledge that terran is op" and give you a consolidation pat on the back for being a supposed "victim?" I can't tell.
On the topic: more than 1-2 cannons don't do shit against terran, don't engage into seiged tanks if you can help it, and the only time you should suicide an army to sack a third is when you are playing zerg. Knowing these 3 basic principles would have won you the game.
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your probe production was pretty weird early game, unnecessary cuts everywhere.
This is where your apm becomes a problem, 50 is just not high enough to do even simple tasks like macro, constant probe production. It seems a probe pops out and then 5 seconds later you realize that you're not building probes, which is a lot of time because it happens tons. o.o
I don't know why you got an immortal, waste of resources?
You scout lots of tech labs which indicates a HEAVY marauder play, so don't get blink first get charge. Stalkers are incredibly BAD against marauders, zealots are incredibly GOOD, zealot takes 10 hits from marauder to die if you're under guardian shield! If he was marine heavy I could justify blink and some more stalkers.
Seem to be a bit late on your third in a macro map like this, instead of getting the 2 gateways you should have gone nexus and gateways after. Some nasty supply blocks @ around 130 food.
Some nice forcefields, but should have backed off either when you killed his third (you just got the advantage), or when your zealots died, don't lose gas units, once your zealots die your stalkers and collosus will follow very quickly. You threw away advantage, and I would argue now at a disadvantage. Collosus are very expensive.
WAY too many cannons, could double expand for that lol. Seems you're a bit too scared of drops.
oh >< dont engage into tanks like that, and you stormed your own zealots, that was really nasty.
Overall his SCV production was terrible,but your engagements were just as bad. It's funny when you say "I'm outplaying you so bad" and then run 4 full energy high templar into their doom xD
Good luck in future!
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On September 18 2011 15:04 Dice. wrote:
Step 1: Play a game of a SC2 poorly yet for some reason feel like you did very well and that you deserved to win the game.
Step 2: Make a post on TL that asks a question that you answer yourself in the following paragraph: "Why did I lose this game? Terran IMBA... etc". ... "Oh and forgot to mention I wasted a retarded amount of money on basically nothing and didn't scout my opponent..."
Step 3: People tell you exactly what you did poorly during the game.
Step 4: Try and justify poor decision-making, while not taking any criticism constructively.
This happens way too often.. This kind of stuff is bad for esports! Manner up, keep the forums clean! ^_^
read through the OP and looked at all the comments.. you sure hit the nail.
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On September 18 2011 15:04 Dice. wrote:
Step 1: Play a game of a SC2 poorly yet for some reason feel like you did very well and that you deserved to win the game.
Step 2: Make a post on TL that asks a question that you answer yourself in the following paragraph: "Why did I lose this game? Terran IMBA... etc". ... "Oh and forgot to mention I wasted a retarded amount of money on basically nothing and didn't scout my opponent..."
Step 3: People tell you exactly what you did poorly during the game.
Step 4: Try and justify poor decision-making, while not taking any criticism constructively.
This happens way too often.. This kind of stuff is bad for esports! Manner up, keep the forums clean! ^_^
Step 1: Play a game of SC2 the best you can, feel like you played better than your opponent and don't understand why you lost. Rage at the end of the match... apparently be the only person on the planet that does this.
Step 2: Make a post on TL for some insane reason. Ask for help. Make an honest post about how you feel about the match-up illustrating how helpless you felt.
Step 3: Insecure nerds that populate the TL forums worry more about telling you how bad you are than helping you improve. Shockingly you didn't play perfectly in a game you lost. Apparently you are the only person this happens to.
Step 4: Try to explain why you did what you did so you can gather feedback on your strategy... which is the point of the post, no?
Step 5: Shake your head and wonder why you would ever post on the cesspit of insecure nerds that is the TL forums.
Step 6: Stop reading replies.
Edit: But don't get me wrong. It is true that insulting someone on the internet makes you a superior person. This is a proven fact.
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ok calm down skaggs, you are being a bit aggressive. Things like dont build so many cannons are good criticism, take it on the chin and you will improve. Read my comments, I am a master toss, you can learn some things, learn from your game rather than rage at a race. On a diamond level imbalances like 21/32 CODE S terrans are completely irrelevant.
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On September 18 2011 15:34 pezzaperry wrote:
ok calm down skaggs, you are being a bit aggressive. Things like dont build so many cannons are good criticism, take it on the chin and you will improve. Read my comments, I am a master toss, you can learn some things, learn from your game rather than rage at a race. On a diamond level imbalances like 21/32 CODE S terrans are completely irrelevant.
Well, I don't agree about the imbalance in Code S comment, but...
I'm only responding in kind to what's being said to me. People are conveniently leaving out the amount of times I've thanked someone for their input on the replay. I knew this would be a mistake... you can't post something on TL and expect replies of anything more than social outcast high school kids. It's unfortunate, but either that's actually all that populates these forums or everyone just acts like it. It's pretty much the reason I try to avoid TL.
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well that's not very fair, TL has helped me get into masters very well by posting constructive criticism. I'm not sure whether you're coming here to get a "yeah terrans are imba you did everything right" or to actually get feedback. So far one person has been a bit harsh in their wording, and you criticize all of TL for it. He still gave valid feedback, if it was I who made the topic I would thank him and not call him a douchebag for saying that you played horribly. There is some truth in his statement, for anyone above diamond or perhaps even in diamond you DID play badly that game. Oh well, if you fix your attitude you might be able to accept criticism and learn from it.
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Skaggs your obviously the one with ridiculous insecurity issues. You are unable to insult people based on their skill as you come here as a proverbial beggar, so naturally you drift instead to calling us nerds just because we are better then you at the game. We have all seen this before and it doesnt make anyone want to help you.
If you truely disagree with the comments people are giving you, then maybe you should try to make a post where you explain why that is and show how its not correct. People are flaming you LIGHTLY because you blamed your loss on imba, when that is clearly not the case. In fact protoss is generally thought to be STRONGER then terran if you can take it to the late game, which you clearly were able to do.
TL;DR Try to be mature in your OP, and if your not, accept that you deserve to take a little flak for your newb comment. Even though people were making fun of your imba comment, they were still giving you solid advice which you proved to immature to accept and improve from.
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On September 18 2011 09:07 Skaggs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 08:59 nath wrote:On September 18 2011 08:56 Skaggs wrote:
This match really highlighted a lot of things about the match up that really annoy me. I mean, man, I killed his third and had 70 workers to his 40 for most of the match. But the incredibly economy provided by Mules combined with the sheer cost-efficiency of Terran units just completely nullified it. I had more bases, more workers, and yet I was scraping the bottom of the barrel for resources whereas he was floating 1k+ minerals the whole game with an equal supply T.T this means you have a better teched/'better quality' army. if you had used your gas units effeciently you would have won. Can you be more specific please?
4 HT's with full energy dying (thats like 8 storms and 12 in a little time)
making a useless amount of static D instead of actual units/gateways
attacking when you shouldnt (after killing third, defend because hes forced to attack you, don't run into sieged tanks and die)
microing your engagements...
you also floated a ton of resources at points in the game.
you definitely did not outplay him.
you got so much good advice you should use it not insult the entire forum calling all its inhabitants (and yourself in the process?) basement nerd-type insults.
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On September 18 2011 15:52 statikg wrote:
Skaggs your obviously the one with ridiculous insecurity issues. You are unable to insult people based on their skill as you come here as a proverbial beggar, so naturally you drift instead to calling us nerds just because we are better then you at the game. We have all seen this before and it doesnt make anyone want to help you.
If you truely disagree with the comments people are giving you, then maybe you should try to make a post where you explain why that is and show how its not correct. People are flaming you LIGHTLY because you blamed your loss on imba, when that is clearly not the case. In fact protoss is generally thought to be STRONGER then terran if you can take it to the late game, which you clearly were able to do.
TL;DR Try to be mature in your OP, and if your not, accept that you deserve to take a little flak for your newb comment. Even though people were making fun of your imba comment, they were still giving you solid advice which you proved to immature to accept and improve from.
I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Firstly, I'm a nerd... I'm just not such an insecure nerd that I need the false sense of superiority that I gain by insulting someone about a video game on the internet. Which, in my experience, is the entire reason the TL forums exist. It's sad, I agree.
I never said I disagree with the comments people are giving (well, not all of them). That's why I
fucking thanked people for posting. But when someone points out a mistake by me as a reason that I lost, when in fact I did that deliberately, I'm going to pipe up about it. Otherwise I'll just keep doing the same strategic things not knowing that the logic behind the strategy is flawed.
Finally, it's obvious that Terran is too strong. This can't be debated at this point. But, like I said earlier in this thread, it's unlikely that's the reason that I lost this game. Otherwise, why would I make this post at all? And just because I say stuff at the end of a replay where I've lost a long match (which I still feel like I played well in), doesn't mean I believe every word I said. Have you guys never seen someone rage at a loss before?
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On September 18 2011 15:59 Skaggs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 15:52 statikg wrote:
Skaggs your obviously the one with ridiculous insecurity issues. You are unable to insult people based on their skill as you come here as a proverbial beggar, so naturally you drift instead to calling us nerds just because we are better then you at the game. We have all seen this before and it doesnt make anyone want to help you.
If you truely disagree with the comments people are giving you, then maybe you should try to make a post where you explain why that is and show how its not correct. People are flaming you LIGHTLY because you blamed your loss on imba, when that is clearly not the case. In fact protoss is generally thought to be STRONGER then terran if you can take it to the late game, which you clearly were able to do.
TL;DR Try to be mature in your OP, and if your not, accept that you deserve to take a little flak for your newb comment. Even though people were making fun of your imba comment, they were still giving you solid advice which you proved to immature to accept and improve from. I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Firstly, I'm a nerd... I'm just not such an insecure nerd that I need the false sense of superiority that I gain by insulting someone about a video game on the internet. Which, in my experience, is the entire reason the TL forums exist. It's sad, I agree. I never said I disagree with the comments people are giving (well, not all of them). That's why I fucking thanked people for posting. But when someone points out a mistake by me as a reason that I lost, when in fact I did that deliberately, I'm going to pipe up about it. Otherwise I'll just keep doing the same strategic things not knowing that the logic behind the strategy is flawed. Finally, it's obvious that Terran is too strong. This can't be debated at this point. But, like I said earlier in this thread, it's unlikely that's the reason that I lost this game. Otherwise, why would I make this post at all? And just because I say stuff at the end of a replay where I've lost a long match (which I still feel like I played well in), doesn't mean I believe every word I said. Have you guys never seen someone rage at a loss before?
I'm debating it with you right here and now that I don't believe Terran is "too strong".
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Dude Skaggs, chill out
We're all friends, and we're all here to help you improve your game
There's no need to get hostile at anyone.
Is this thread to vent or to ask for help? It can't be both, and it seems like you're trying to make it both
Lots of good advice in this thread, no need to be aggressive with people trying to help
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I just watched the replay, and yeh, that was an insulting waste of time.
You didn't outplay him at all. He had better micro, better engagements and better decision making. Both of you were floating around 1-2k minerals for a majority of the game, so it wasn't like you outmacroed him at all.
Seriously what is the point of this thread? If you wan't an outlet for balance whine, go to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255254
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I always love people that point out statistics at pro level and pretend they have something to do with it ^^
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On September 18 2011 16:19 Saechiis wrote:
I always love people that point out statistics at pro level and pretend they have something to do with it ^^
Korean pro level or foreigner pro level? Surely it's not both. Imbalance is only at Korean vs Korean level! If your macro isn't pristine and you engage when you shouldn't once in a while, imbalance can't possibly affect you! Everyone knows this.
Where exactly is the cut off, skill-wise, to having a 1/1/1 murder you over and over on ladder?
I really didn't make this thread to get people to get up in arms about PvT, but I never subscribed to the idea that imbalance can only be felt at the Pro vs Pro level. We're all playing the same game, after all. Sure, I could macro better... but so could my opponent. He still gets Mules and mass repair, after all...
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Lmao skaggs its not fact, the only reason there is any debate on the matter at all is based in the 1-1-1 strategy, nobody whose not a scrub believes terran is better then protoss absolutely at any point in the game. Right now you are passively still blaming your loss on imba when in fact its 100% your own fault. However, I understand that such a thing is difficult to accept especially when your on tilt.
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On September 18 2011 16:22 statikg wrote:
Lmao skaggs its not fact, the only reason there is any debate on the matter at all is based in the 1-1-1 strategy, nobody whose not a scrub believes terran is better then protoss absolutely at any point in the game. Right now you are passively still blaming your loss on imba when in fact its 100% your own fault. However, I understand that such a thing is difficult to accept especially when your on tilt.
Oh, I'm not on tilt at all. I played this game more than 24 hours ago. I accepted the fact a few months ago that Terran was clearly and obviously the best designed race in the game. Maybe it was a bad idea to vent my frustrations in this thread, but I wasn't trying to blame this loss on imbalance. Like I said multiple times in this thread, I don't think game imbalance is why I lost this. Just because I raged when I lost doesn't mean I was actually so close-minded that I couldn't see that I made mistakes.
Edit: And about the "nobody whose not a scrub" comment... Naniwa and Polt aren't what I would consider "scrubs" and they're both on record saying that Terran is too strong. I don't know...
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