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On August 30 2011 08:54 Nqsty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:06 brobear wrote:On August 30 2011 03:14 Nqsty wrote:On August 30 2011 03:05 PanN wrote:On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote:
You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake.
No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough. If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever. No, you see thats completely wrong. Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ? In england until 40 years ago you could get caned to blood in school for insulting the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his trousers stuck to his butt because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12). That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really. Edit: btw, this story really sickens me, and i condemn the act completely, but i'm just saying you need to stay human in these situations. RIP to the little dude, really. How the fuck are you going to defend the actions which resulted in the death of a 10 year old boy? Their stupidity makes murder seem a little less fucked up for you? In what world is punishing a child by dehydration accepted? (From a civilized society's point of view) How dare YOU judge and assume such arrogant things after the death of a helpless 10 year old child, that his dad and his step mom actually CARED for him, so much that they dehydrated him for FIVE FUCKING DAYS?! I love your optimistic view on life, I really do... But I honestly don't think this is the place for it. Its not about whether I'm defending it or not, its whether they actually wanted to kill him and were that cruel, or simply wanted to punish him without realising the potential consequences of their actions. I'm just saying, if someone made their child knee down on a ruler for 3 hours and he lost the use of his legs due to the rupture of ligaments, there would be a global outrage, yet 50 years ago that's precisely the punishment lots of kids got in school, and if you ask most of them they'd tell you it was a good thing because it taught them not to do the same mistake twice, regardless of the potential downside of the punishment. Of course it was a stupid idea, and the death of their child is tragic to say the least, but seriously calling them torturers and murderers is over the top, I'm 99% sure they never intended for this to happen. Are them dumb as hell ? yes, no doubt, but they're no less intelligent than a drunk driver who hits a 5 member family and kills all 5, etc. Also, if my kid drank a 6 pack of coke when I specifically told him not to do so, I'd have no problem preventing him from drinking coke for an entire year, the same way I'd force my kid to smoke and entire pack of cigarettes in 30 minutes if I caught him smoking, it's called getting taught a lesson, although this punishment was completely fucking retarded, it wasn't intentional torture per say I'm sure of that. I honestly feel like these people just had no fucking clue of what they were doing, that they had no idea how dramatic it is to prevent a child from drinking water. All in all, we agree that it's really damn stupid, I just think it wasn't intentional, you think it was.
I almost can't fathom how stupid someone has to be to not understand that water is an essential component of life for a human being. If someone is that stupid or ignorant of the World by their age and they don't have a handicap that prevents them from understanding this then I almost believe they deserve to be sentenced to death for that alone.
You may say that's ridiculous, but I say it's a thousand times more ridiculous to say they didn't understand what they were doing. They sat the boy in the sun, effectively attempting to dehydrate him, then deny him water. People like this deserve to die, they don't deserve to be a drain on tax payer money, the moment they decided that they held in them the power and right to take the life of another human being they no longer deserve the right to live as one. The end.
Also, if your child smoked a cigarette and you made him smoke an entire pack you are a... well, not going to go there. But put it this way, you aren't very intelligent at all, it doesn't teach the child anything else than excess of anything can have terrible side effects. Too much food? You feel awful. Too much drink? You feel awful. Too much sun? You feel awful. Too much caffeine? You feel awful. Maybe one day you'll actually teach your kid something worthwhile, like why smoking is bad and why you have the authority to prevent them from doing that while they live with you. Not about the barbarity of some humans that don't deserve to breath. Also, no one really cares what people did 50 years ago, a thousand years ago slavery was commonplace and people got stoned to death for being gay.
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On August 30 2011 09:42 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:54 Nqsty wrote:On August 30 2011 08:06 brobear wrote:On August 30 2011 03:14 Nqsty wrote:On August 30 2011 03:05 PanN wrote:On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote:
You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake.
No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough. If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever. No, you see thats completely wrong. Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ? In england until 40 years ago you could get caned to blood in school for insulting the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his trousers stuck to his butt because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12). That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really. Edit: btw, this story really sickens me, and i condemn the act completely, but i'm just saying you need to stay human in these situations. RIP to the little dude, really. How the fuck are you going to defend the actions which resulted in the death of a 10 year old boy? Their stupidity makes murder seem a little less fucked up for you? In what world is punishing a child by dehydration accepted? (From a civilized society's point of view) How dare YOU judge and assume such arrogant things after the death of a helpless 10 year old child, that his dad and his step mom actually CARED for him, so much that they dehydrated him for FIVE FUCKING DAYS?! I love your optimistic view on life, I really do... But I honestly don't think this is the place for it. Its not about whether I'm defending it or not, its whether they actually wanted to kill him and were that cruel, or simply wanted to punish him without realising the potential consequences of their actions. I'm just saying, if someone made their child knee down on a ruler for 3 hours and he lost the use of his legs due to the rupture of ligaments, there would be a global outrage, yet 50 years ago that's precisely the punishment lots of kids got in school, and if you ask most of them they'd tell you it was a good thing because it taught them not to do the same mistake twice, regardless of the potential downside of the punishment. Of course it was a stupid idea, and the death of their child is tragic to say the least, but seriously calling them torturers and murderers is over the top, I'm 99% sure they never intended for this to happen. Are them dumb as hell ? yes, no doubt, but they're no less intelligent than a drunk driver who hits a 5 member family and kills all 5, etc. Also, if my kid drank a 6 pack of coke when I specifically told him not to do so, I'd have no problem preventing him from drinking coke for an entire year, the same way I'd force my kid to smoke and entire pack of cigarettes in 30 minutes if I caught him smoking, it's called getting taught a lesson, although this punishment was completely fucking retarded, it wasn't intentional torture per say I'm sure of that. I honestly feel like these people just had no fucking clue of what they were doing, that they had no idea how dramatic it is to prevent a child from drinking water. All in all, we agree that it's really damn stupid, I just think it wasn't intentional, you think it was. I almost can't fathom how stupid someone has to be to not understand that water is an essential component of life for a human being. If someone is that stupid or ignorant of the World by their age and they don't have a handicap that prevents them from understanding this then I almost believe they deserve to be sentenced to death for that alone. You may say that's ridiculous, but I say it's a thousand times more ridiculous to say they didn't understand what they were doing. They sat the boy in the sun, effectively attempting to dehydrate him, then deny him water. People like this deserve to die, they don't deserve to be a drain on tax payer money, the moment they decided that they held in them the power and right to take the life of another human being they no longer deserve the right to live as one. The end. Also, if your child smoked a cigarette and you made him smoke an entire pack you are a... well, not going to go there. But put it this way, you aren't very intelligent at all, it doesn't teach the child anything else than excess of anything can have terrible side effects. To much food? You feel awful. To much drink? You feel awful. To much sun? You feel awful. To much caffeine? You feel awful. Maybe one day you'll actually teach your kid something worthwhile, like why smoking is bad and why you have the authority to prevent them from doing that while they live with you. Not about the barbarity of some humans that don't deserve to breath. Also, no one really cares what people did 50 years ago, a thousand years ago slavery was commonplace and people got stoned to death for being gay.
I wouldn't put it as blunt as you but I definitely agree, if they have
a) The stupidity
b) The blindness
c) The intent
to do this, well, I'll put it this way, I wouldn't want my offspring to mate with theirs. Removal from society by whatever means for the rest of their and/or my life is all I see as both a logical and emotional response to the situation. And I never really cared for political responses to many situations anyway
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Can't imagine what his twin brother had to go through watching him suffer like that.
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Very sickening. Pretty astonished at this.
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thats messed up...
i just... i dont know...
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I hope they get the full 99 year jail time and are both brutally murdered by other inmates. how the fuck could you torture your own child like that..
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On August 29 2011 22:12 ZergOwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 13:09 The Final Boss wrote:On August 28 2011 12:11 Dfgj wrote:On August 28 2011 11:10 The Final Boss wrote:On August 27 2011 14:14 bloodmeat wrote:On August 27 2011 14:05 CryingCow wrote:
does the death penalty still exist in texas? Fuck yeah it does. I don't mean to take it lightly. I was born and raised in Texas and still live there today and I absolutely agree with the death penalty. Some people can't change, some people are absolute monsters. It doesn't matter to me if they have a mental deformity that causes them to act the way they do or if they're just genuinely evil. Some people need to be removed from this planet. They're not going to change, they are fucked up in the head. I understand that anyone could be subject to a mental deformity that causes them to behave in ways that go against our most deepest beliefs as a society. That's life. It sucks, it may seem unfair, but that's how it is. People need to be removed. If I was a sadistic monster I would want to be removed from this planet as well. If anyone has a problem with that feel free to take it up with god, mother earth or whoever the fuck you feel is responsible, but it isn't me. I didn't create the monsters, but I will see to their destruction. Do you know anything about the death penalty? Who are you to say that killing is wrong if you then go and kill someone? That is something known as hypocrisy. You sound like a vigilante (which is not a compliment) who has serious problems. Plus, morals aside (which I believe is the important reason why the death penalty is so wrong, but if you disagree then this might make you think otherwise), here's some interesting facts: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penaltyDid you know that the death penalty actually costs more then imprisoning a person for life? I remember when I heard that I was pretty amazed. Also, you made a distinction, so I'm just wondering what other people think, are there people who are just "evil" but don't have something messed up in their head? EDIT: On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote:
Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them. Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy. You can make a hypocrisy argument for every kind of punishment, then. Maybe I'm crazy, but there is a serious difference from locking a person up and from taking away their life. Is it just me or does everyone deserve a right to life at the very least, and if you're going to What reason can you possibly have for killing another human being? It costs more in most cases, any form of killing is an atrocity that should be avoided at all costs, and on top of all that, it's irreversible. Give me one good reason for capital punishment, I'd love to hear it. There is nothing better about it as opposed to the alternative; even if you're alright with it morally, it isn't even better financially. I don't understand it personally, I feel like it's a way of the past that needs to be abolished. If you kill somebody, there is no return, and let's be honest, America's legal system (while I support it) is not 100% accurate. If you can't guarantee accuracy then there shouldn't be a punishment as definitive and unforgiving as capital punishment. I just looked this up after typing in "Wrongful Death Penalty" into Google: http://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/14/opinion/wrongful-death-penalty.htmlSince 1973 approximately 6,000 people have been sentenced to death in the United States. The report noted that the 69 who have been released from death row during that period represent a little more than 1 out of every 100 prisoners sentenced to death. That is a hideous error rate for so horrible a punishment. If 1 out of every 100 people sentenced to death are found innocent BEFORE their execution, I bet there are cases where people are executed despite being innocent. If people who are innocent are being killed, then you have a serious problem. I'm all for punishing these people, but the death penalty (in my opinion) is wrong, and I personally have never heard a good argument for it. I'd be delighted to hear one. i dont think this thread is about pro/con death penalty, so do consider taking the political/moral debate somewhere else. pretty horrifying case of stupidity at the least.. If they didn't blatantly plan to kill the child this would be a extreme case of uneducated people thinking that keeping the kid from drinking stops the bedweting and acts as a punishment
I only brought it up in the first place since others were taking the discussion that way by saying statements saying that the parents deserve to die. 99 years in prison seems like a much better way to punish people in my opinion, and I hope that those parents spend every second of it in jail.
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