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On August 30 2011 03:03 ensign_lee wrote:
How can the death penalty cost more than life imprisonment? *off to google*
It just seems so counterintuitive. The death penalty might cost what...$1k? Food, electricity, guards, etc have to cost more than that over a person's lifetime.
It takes decades to actually execute someone because even if found to be guilty, they can appeal a million times. It's not like someone gets convicted of the death penalty and dies within the year. It's usually like 20+ years, which is already a life sentence. In that time, all the court fees, etc. end up costing the gov't more than if they just imprisoned the person. It's a measure to counteract accidentally convicting innocent people.
I actually believe Texas is an exception though to the rule (and the only exception) where it's cheaper to execute someone since they do it so friggin' fast.
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On August 30 2011 03:14 Nqsty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 03:05 PanN wrote:On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote:
You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake.
No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough. If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever. No, you see thats completely wrong. Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ? In england until 40 years ago you could get lashed to blood in school for insulted the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his shirt stuck to his back because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12). That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really.
Any competent human being knows you die without water and no loving parent would put their child through this. If they actually cared about their child, they wouldn't of tortured him. I don't think they care, sorry we disagree.
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On August 29 2011 22:50 Seldentar wrote:
I don't see the point of threads like these. Most of us know there's an ugly side of the world, and it doesn't help anyone to be reminded everyday of negative things. It would be much more productive to post happy/beautiful news instead because that can only lead to a better, happier day for everyone.
The world isn't sugar and gumdrops cupcake.
We are informed of these things so that they are not repeated and to learn.
It wouldn't be productive, it would be blatantly ignoring the world at large in an attempt to pacify one's self. That's not only insane, it's hideously irresponsible.
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On August 30 2011 03:21 TheGlassface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 22:50 Seldentar wrote:
I don't see the point of threads like these. Most of us know there's an ugly side of the world, and it doesn't help anyone to be reminded everyday of negative things. It would be much more productive to post happy/beautiful news instead because that can only lead to a better, happier day for everyone.
The world isn't sugar and gumdrops cupcake. We are informed of these things so that they are not repeated and to learn. It wouldn't be productive, it would be blatantly ignoring the world at large in an attempt to pacify one's self. That's not only insane, it's hideously irresponsible.
Thank you.
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Im not sure if the parents were evil sick people or just stupid...
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They need to be put into a very hostile, very black and gang-friendly prison so they get fucking shanked and no one [guards] will care.
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This is absolutely horrible. These people should be chained up outside in the sun with water just out of reach and left to die the same way. Disgusting!
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I'd remove all other of their kids from their care, ban them from all adoptions services, and finally sterilize them both. Let them know what they are not worthy of ever becoming parents again.
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Im shocked, I wonder how the adults would feel if they were deprived of water for 5 days...
also, this is torture, not murder. Torture (to death)is usually a bigger offense than murder.
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On August 30 2011 03:14 Nqsty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 03:05 PanN wrote:On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote:
You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake.
No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough. If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever. No, you see thats completely wrong. Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ? In england until 40 years ago you could get caned to blood in school for insulting the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his trousers stuck to his butt because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12). That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really. Edit: btw, this story really sickens me, and i condemn the act completely, but i'm just saying you need to stay human in these situations. RIP to the little dude, really.
How the fuck are you going to defend the actions which resulted in the death of a 10 year old boy? Their stupidity makes murder seem a little less fucked up for you?
In what world is punishing a child by dehydration accepted? (From a civilized society's point of view)
How dare YOU judge and assume such arrogant things after the death of a helpless 10 year old child, that his dad and his step mom actually CARED for him, so much that they dehydrated him for FIVE FUCKING DAYS?!
I love your optimistic view on life, I really do... But I honestly don't think this is the place for it.
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I think a parenting class should be mandatory for all public schools. It just doesn't seem to come naturally for some folks.
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On August 27 2011 09:13 Goliathsorrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 09:11 Jaxtyk wrote:
5 days without water? wow.. spank him or scold him, but don't deprive him of the bodies needs. NOPE. 5 days without water and to be put in front of the FUCKING HOT SUN. Edit: I cannot imagine how the mother reacted when they informed her... I mean.. really.
I'd imagine along the lines of turning herself in for a double homicide.
Either way one of those stories that really makes you hate people that aren't you. I'd be pushing for the death penalty but they'll probably get off with a few years(if that).
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On August 30 2011 08:06 brobear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 03:14 Nqsty wrote:On August 30 2011 03:05 PanN wrote:On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote:
You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake.
No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough. If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever. No, you see thats completely wrong. Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ? In england until 40 years ago you could get caned to blood in school for insulting the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his trousers stuck to his butt because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12). That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really. Edit: btw, this story really sickens me, and i condemn the act completely, but i'm just saying you need to stay human in these situations. RIP to the little dude, really. How the fuck are you going to defend the actions which resulted in the death of a 10 year old boy? Their stupidity makes murder seem a little less fucked up for you? In what world is punishing a child by dehydration accepted? (From a civilized society's point of view) How dare YOU judge and assume such arrogant things after the death of a helpless 10 year old child, that his dad and his step mom actually CARED for him, so much that they dehydrated him for FIVE FUCKING DAYS?! I love your optimistic view on life, I really do... But I honestly don't think this is the place for it.
Its not about whether I'm defending it or not, its whether they actually wanted to kill him and were that cruel, or simply wanted to punish him without realising the potential consequences of their actions.
I'm just saying, if someone made their child knee down on a ruler for 3 hours and he lost the use of his legs due to the rupture of ligaments, there would be a global outrage, yet 50 years ago that's precisely the punishment lots of kids got in school, and if you ask most of them they'd tell you it was a good thing because it taught them not to do the same mistake twice, regardless of the potential downside of the punishment.
Of course it was a stupid idea, and the death of their child is tragic to say the least, but seriously calling them torturers and murderers is over the top, I'm 99% sure they never intended for this to happen.
Are them dumb as hell ? yes, no doubt, but they're no less intelligent than a drunk driver who hits a 5 member family and kills all 5, etc.
Also, if my kid drank a 6 pack of coke when I specifically told him not to do so, I'd have no problem preventing him from drinking coke for an entire year, the same way I'd force my kid to smoke and entire pack of cigarettes in 30 minutes if I caught him smoking, it's called getting taught a lesson, although this punishment was completely fucking retarded, it wasn't intentional torture per say I'm sure of that.
I honestly feel like these people just had no fucking clue of what they were doing, that they had no idea how dramatic it is to prevent a child from drinking water.
All in all, we agree that it's really damn stupid, I just think it wasn't intentional, you think it was.
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lol... dehydration is not punishment. That is torture, and quite intentional and deliberate torture, might I add. Nor does one not intend to dehydrate a kid for 5 days (which is lethal; in fact, I'm surprised he survived that long).
They knew what they were doing. Not to mention there is no possible, imaginable justification for them torturing their son in the first place.
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On August 30 2011 08:57 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
lol... dehydration is not punishment. That is torture, and quite intentional and deliberate torture, might I add. Nor does one not intend to dehydrate a kid for 5 days (which is lethal; in fact, I'm surprised he survived that long).
They knew what they were doing. Not to mention there is no possible, imaginable justification for them torturing their son in the first place.
I think you just underestimate the stupidity of people, and are posting without thinking about the problem without emotion, honestly.
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What.
The.
Fuck.
What angers me more is that this somehow doesn't count as murder.
"charged with injury to a child causing serious bodily injury" doesn't exactly cover what essentially amounts to torturing and killing a child. Even though a 1st degree felony is the same level as murder, why don't they get charged with what they did? People like this is why I argue for the death penalty. Now we have to pay for their housing and food for the rest of their miserable lives.
Also: That kid must've been freaking superman to last 5 days without water standing in the sun.
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On August 30 2011 08:54 Nqsty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:06 brobear wrote:On August 30 2011 03:14 Nqsty wrote:On August 30 2011 03:05 PanN wrote:On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote:
You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake.
No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough. If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever. No, you see thats completely wrong. Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ? In england until 40 years ago you could get caned to blood in school for insulting the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his trousers stuck to his butt because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12). That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really. Edit: btw, this story really sickens me, and i condemn the act completely, but i'm just saying you need to stay human in these situations. RIP to the little dude, really. How the fuck are you going to defend the actions which resulted in the death of a 10 year old boy? Their stupidity makes murder seem a little less fucked up for you? In what world is punishing a child by dehydration accepted? (From a civilized society's point of view) How dare YOU judge and assume such arrogant things after the death of a helpless 10 year old child, that his dad and his step mom actually CARED for him, so much that they dehydrated him for FIVE FUCKING DAYS?! I love your optimistic view on life, I really do... But I honestly don't think this is the place for it. Its not about whether I'm defending it or not, its whether they actually wanted to kill him and were that cruel, or simply wanted to punish him without realising the potential consequences of their actions. I'm just saying, if someone made their child knee down on a ruler for 3 hours and he lost the use of his legs due to the rupture of ligaments, there would be a global outrage, yet 50 years ago that's precisely the punishment lots of kids got in school, and if you ask most of them they'd tell you it was a good thing because it taught them not to do the same mistake twice, regardless of the potential downside of the punishment. Of course it was a stupid idea, and the death of their child is tragic to say the least, but seriously calling them torturers and murderers is over the top, I'm 99% sure they never intended for this to happen. Are them dumb as hell ? yes, no doubt, but they're no less intelligent than a drunk driver who hits a 5 member family and kills all 5, etc. Also, if my kid drank a 6 pack of coke when I specifically told him not to do so, I'd have no problem preventing him from drinking coke for an entire year, the same way I'd force my kid to smoke and entire pack of cigarettes in 30 minutes if I caught him smoking, it's called getting taught a lesson, although this punishment was completely fucking retarded, it wasn't intentional torture per say I'm sure of that. I honestly feel like these people just had no fucking clue of what they were doing, that they had no idea how dramatic it is to prevent a child from drinking water. All in all, we agree that it's really damn stupid, I just think it wasn't intentional, you think it was.
Im sorry, but there are just too many holes in your defence. There is a massive difference between making someone kneel on a ruler for punishment, and actually depriving someone of a necessity of life for longer than a human can endure. There is absolutely no way they didnt know what was going on. Every single person has felt what its like to be thirsty, and thats after maybe a day without water. Extending it to 5 days while forcing the child to stand in the sun is beyond incompetence or stupidty, its downright torture. You dont need to be smart to know what lack of water does to someone, especially over a 5 day period. Stop justifying your argument when everything you are saying is pure bullshit.
On August 30 2011 08:52 bjwithbraces wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 09:13 Goliathsorrow wrote:On August 27 2011 09:11 Jaxtyk wrote:
5 days without water? wow.. spank him or scold him, but don't deprive him of the bodies needs. NOPE. 5 days without water and to be put in front of the FUCKING HOT SUN. Edit: "It should never have happened," said Krista Bishop, mother of the twins. I cannot imagine how the mother reacted when they informed her... I mean.. really. I'd imagine along the lines of turning herself in for a double homicide. Either way one of those stories that really makes you hate people that aren't you. I'd be pushing for the death penalty but they'll probably get off with a few years(if that).
Thats wrong, their biological mother was not the one committing the crime. The article says it was their stepmom. He is talking about how their biological mother would feel when she found out what happened while they were staying with their father.
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Guys stop suggesting the death penalty. If they get life in prison they suffer until the day they die, rather than just the time until they are put down.
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On August 30 2011 09:02 Nqsty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:57 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
lol... dehydration is not punishment. That is torture, and quite intentional and deliberate torture, might I add. Nor does one not intend to dehydrate a kid for 5 days (which is lethal; in fact, I'm surprised he survived that long).
They knew what they were doing. Not to mention there is no possible, imaginable justification for them torturing their son in the first place. I think you just underestimate the stupidity of people, and are posting without thinking about the problem without emotion, honestly.
Nope, I'm incredibly calm right now, as I am with most things, and things far, far worse than this, mind you. You are attempting to justify, at the very least, what is unarguably deliberate torture. Here, they are wrong. One can't consider forced dehydration to be punishment or discipline.
On top of that, you're attempting to justify what is quite more possibly than not, deliberate murder. One of the only ways it could not have been deliberate murder is if those people are impossibly more stupid than was previously thought to be humanly possible. In that regard, yes, I would be underestimating their stupidity.
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