Police say Michael Ray James and Tina Alberson, both 42, denied him drinking water for at least five days at their Red Bird-area home beginning July 20, a time in which temperatures exceeded 100 degrees. They are being held in the Dallas County Jail, charged with injury to a child causing serious bodily injury.
"They day that he died, they made him eat a PBJ, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich,"Joseph said referring to his father and step-mother, "and the peanut butter got stuck in his throat and they still wouldn't let him have water."
But last month, the twins were staying with their father, Michael James, 42, and step-mother, Tina Alberson, 42, when Dallas Police say the couple deprived Jonathan of water as a form of punishment.
Joseph said his twin was in trouble because his father and step-mother thought he took guitar parts from their step-brother.
"They made him stand in front of a window," Joseph said. "They put an 'X' on the floor and an 'X' on the window and the sun was coming straight through it and there was no air conditioning there."
The abuse went on for five days, police said, with liquids being kept from Jonathan until the 10-year-old finally collapsed and died.
I hope those parents never see the light of day and gets life in prison. I think it is horrible that the parents would go that far on a punishment, and I am sure they knew that it is harmful for the body to go without water. What I understand from the story seemed like he was a generally a good kid, got some awards from school and stuff. I feel sorry for the twin bother of one who died; especially, feeling like he couldn't do anything for his brother fearing he would get the same punishment.
What they did translates to a First Degree Felony in Texas which is Equivalent of Murder
First Degree Felonies:
Confinement for life or from five to ninety-nine years and a possible fine not to exceed $10,000 Possibility of community supervision
They haven't received the exact sentenced yet but I will keep track and update when information is found.
Edit: added some another quote from the story. Edited again: to show what kind of crime they committed
K I've read most of the new stories in teamliquid, but this one is just fucking cruel. How can you deny someone a necessity of life? Especially in the season of summer.
The sad thing is, this type of "punishment" isn't unheard of. I've read quite a few articles of parents depriving their children of food, water, etc. It's really messed up and horrible.
I remember when I was little(5-8ish) and I did something really wrong I'd go hungry for a few hours as everybody else in my family ate dinner...Then my mom would give in and make me a bowl of instant noodles so I wouldn't go to sleep hungry. I cannot fathom how parents would deprive their children of water for days. These two deserve extreme punishment. His twin will also be scarred for life, no two ways about it.
He may or may not have taken my son's guitar parts so let's kill him. Honestly, that had to have been their thoughts either that or they're too fucking stupid to know that you need liquids to live (though, that wouldn't be entirely surprising).
This is just depressing that things like this can happen. I wish that his brother could have like called the police or something though...but I am NOT (absolutely NOT) trying to blame anything on his brother because I know it is a lot different making decisions than looking in hindsight at decisions others could have made.
On August 27 2011 09:17 BlindSC2 wrote: Absolutely horrible story, this and the two daughters being trapped are getting me down
I don't wanna assume anything from the limited info, but this must be extremely hard for the biological mother
I didn't even think about the biological mother when I first read this, I feel sorry for the real mother I couldn't imagine what she would be going through finding this out.
You know that dehydration is one of the worst deaths You can ever give to another being? BTW In these conditions that kid should be dead in 3 days. Either he had strong will or got a little of water..
Makes me think... If the kid was dying and all, would he really just sit there and dehydrate himself? I mean there comes a point where you'd think he would just run and get water when no ones there...
I'm not saying it's the kids fault, just seems a little weird to me.
On August 27 2011 09:22 Kuror wrote: Makes me think... If the kid was dying and all, would he really just sit there and dehydrate himself? I mean there comes a point where you'd think he would just run and get water when no ones there...
I'm not saying it's the kids fault, just seems a little weird to me.
Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to disrespect his parents and not considering the death.
On August 27 2011 09:22 Kuror wrote: Makes me think... If the kid was dying and all, would he really just sit there and dehydrate himself? I mean there comes a point where you'd think he would just run and get water when no ones there...
I'm not saying it's the kids fault, just seems a little weird to me.
I'm with this. How does the kid not get up in the middle of the night and steal some water? He doesn't just run for it? Damn, what a good kid for listening so vehemently. I hope these two get life in prison. Even that feels too good for them.
These guys can't show up outside again. This is the most cruel punishment i've ever heard of but lets be serious, could have happened anywhere not just US.
Fuck the news. I don't even know what to say. 5 days is a pretty long time to go without water. I can't go 6 hours without feeling really thirsty, I can't imagine 5 days.
The poor kid would have gotten really skinny and fucked up from the lack of water. His blood would have been the consistency of syrup.
Whats even worse is the day he died the parents made him eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich which the peanut butter got stuck in his throat and they still wouldn't let him have water.
On August 27 2011 09:22 Kuror wrote: Makes me think... If the kid was dying and all, would he really just sit there and dehydrate himself? I mean there comes a point where you'd think he would just run and get water when no ones there...
I'm not saying it's the kids fault, just seems a little weird to me.
I'm with this. How does the kid not get up in the middle of the night and steal some water? He doesn't just run for it? Damn, what a good kid for listening so vehemently. I hope these two get life in prison. Even that feels too good for them.
You don't think he might have just been afraid of being caught and put through an even worse punishment? They clearly were abusive to the kid, and it's not like it's terribly hard to abuse a 10 year old into subservience.
How in the world do they get "charged with injury to a child causing serious bodily injury" instead of torture and murder? Life in prison without parole please, next case.
Jesus christ what the F.... How could you do this to someone, then feed him PB&J and tell him to suck it up that he can't swallow it. People like this deserve to die the same way they killed him. Slow and painfully.
They must of locked him in a room when not being watched, even a 10 year old would know he is dying and would seek water/attempt escape when he wasn't being watched. Which makes this even more insipid. Amazing how stuff like this can still happen where it happened. Haven't we become civilized yet? Or better yet, intelligent? Well.. apparently not. I'm angry now. T.T
How is anyone so fucking deranged that they would do this? 5 days, that is just sick. No one who does anything like this should be around children ever again.
The kid probably did drink water at night, probably only reason he lasted so long. I get dehydrated extremely easily myself, and whenever I do, I wake up really tired the next day due to lack of body fluids. He was probably dehydrated every night before going to bed, then wake up too weak to even complain about the punishment.
This is particularly horrible for me. I have a kid and I often worry that I'm being too harsh when I punish him. In fact, you think about your own parents and those three or four times that they went a bit too far disciplining you, out of frustration or irritation. Obliviously my parents never did anything this terrible but they definitely punished me in ways that were too rough. Yet they are - more or less - good people. Someone mentioned that child abuse is relatively prominent and I think most of it (obviously not this case) are fairly decent people losing control of their actions and ability of think clearly. Especially with the very young, punishment should be thought about with care, precision, and mostly importantly compassion. There are ways to express to your children that something is important (for example, apparently not stealing in this case) outside of traumitizing them. A parent or anyone dealing with children, I think that's a very important notion to keep in mind. Very bad things that happen to kids don't just become a memory, like recalling a movie. The actions affect their world view, their behavior, and their ability to adjust to modern society: therefore in turn affect education, happiness, family life etc.
On August 27 2011 09:50 6d.Leek wrote: Seriously enough of these bad headlines already. It makes no one feel good and makes me lose faith in humanity .
Get used to it, shit like this is becoming more and more regular. A kid was stabbed in my neighbourhood a few months back and the guy got 6 months for assault. He got off assaulting a minor because he claimed the kid (who looked about 13) looked over 18 He wasnt even charged with attempted murder because he claimed he didnt want to kill the kid (despite the fact that he stabbed a kid 10 years younger than him)
The only appropriate punishment is the death penalty. Why? If the death penalty is not issued, parents can now murder their children and pretend they did not know they would die by X punishment. Stupidity can not be a legal defense just like ignorance of the law can not be one.
They deprived their kid of a basic need for 5 days before he suffered a horrible end and who knows how long the actual punishment was. A week? A month? Incredible.
Gross negligence, it's just inexplicable. Parental discipline should not be equivalent to torture.
And it's terrible for the twin as well, because at such a young age he's witnessed the slow tortuous death of his brother... Despite being a child that no one would place blame on, who knows what might haunt him in the future.
On August 27 2011 10:09 xHassassin wrote: I thought you died if you dont get water for 3 days and don't get food for 7?
He probably snuck some liquid here and there. If he was given a PB&J he was probably given some other meager things from which helped sustain him for 5 days.
Well, the parents will get what they deserve. GG morons. How about being good parents? There are better ways to parent than starvation.................obviously.
I think the most disturbing part was that the reason for punishment was that the father and step-mother accused the dead twin of stealing guitar parts from the step-brother. What I interpret from this is that the step-mother felt no affection towards the twins and convinced the father (who clearly felt more affection towards his wife than his children) to punish the dead twin. I guess I'm partly biased because I experienced a similar situation with my parents (divorce) but I just find it extremely sick to force a child to accept a step-mother and step-brother. I find it even more sickening how the father failed to intervene in this, and let his child die.
Also, I can't possibly be the only one who fails to understand how the dead twin could let himself die of dehydration. If my parent deprived me of water, even for a day, I and I think many others would have notified SOMEONE and asked for help. I think we're not getting the whole story.
The sun must've fried the parents' brains because this seems like inhumanly, absurdly stupid punishment. To deprive some child of water in that temperature (or in any temperature), I could only imagine that these people had no speck of love for that boy.
On August 27 2011 10:03 zeru wrote: It's sad that im "getting used" to hear about terrible things like this and the impact on me gets smaller every time :/ Shit sucks.
It's news like these that make me more and more desensitized to future injustices. These things widen what I think humanity is capable of, this time in terms of torture.
5 days without water in Texas? People die in this state from lack of water in as little at 12 hours due to the extreme heat and humidity (I live in Texas and almost every day of this month has had a temperature high of 100+ degrees). What the hell were those parents thinking?
Paying to put them away for life is a great way to spend our tax dollars. Just sickening what they have done. The death penalty probably doesn't apply here but I think it would be a just punishment. Children should be protected not tortured.
On August 27 2011 10:09 xHassassin wrote: I thought you died if you dont get water for 3 days and don't get food for 7?
He probably snuck some liquid here and there. If he was given a PB&J he was probably given some other meager things from which helped sustain him for 5 days.
The "three days" thing is hardly set in stone and varies a lot person-to-person. And yeah, without food you can last for months as long as you're getting water, especially if you're not doing any kind of labor.
On August 27 2011 10:17 Kyhol wrote: Well, the parents will get what they deserve. GG morons. How about being good parents? There are better ways to parent than starvation.................obviously.
Unless this gets counted as murder, I don't think they will get life in prison... Which they deserve.
On August 27 2011 10:09 xHassassin wrote: I thought you died if you dont get water for 3 days and don't get food for 7?
People have survived without eating for an entire year. There are extreme water diets also, cayanne pepper + maple syrup in water to "cleanse" the body for a week or two. Water though is very serious. In the end not eating will have your body cannibalize muscle mass before fat (so you use less calories to survive)
On August 27 2011 10:30 peidongyang wrote: Death penalty in Texas yes? I'm not saying they should I'm just saying who knows o.O
Yes we still have the death penalty as an option here in Texas, though I don't think we will see it. Last article I read on it said they could be facing up to 99 years though.
On August 27 2011 10:09 xHassassin wrote: I thought you died if you dont get water for 3 days and don't get food for 7?
People have survived without eating for an entire year. There are extreme water diets also, cayanne pepper + maple syrup in water to "cleanse" the body for a week or two. Water though is very serious. In the end not eating will have your body cannibalize muscle mass before fat (so you use less calories to survive)
This is the most depressing thing I've read in a long thing. What the hell was going through those parent's minds. *son might have messed up a guitar, I know, no more water for him, obviously the most logical punishment* Goddamn it.
Just seems like a medieval torture practice. Just doesn't seem like a logical punishment what-so-ever. Taking sweets/treats off them for a couple of days I'd understand, but to deprive their child of water is just unwarranted.
Guiness book of world records holds the record for longest hunger strike at 94 days set in 1920 by jailed Irish republicans. Cannot find an official statement but I've read reports of people going without food for a year but I cannot find something concrete and proven. I'm far too busy watching MLG but I'll do some searching between games.
A 97 year old woman survived 8 days without drinking or eating anything under the rubble of her home after earthquake occurred in Iran in January 2004
Nearly all newborn babies, later became known as Miracle Babies, were found and rescued after being 7 days under the wreckage of a Hospital Juarez in Mexico City earthquake in 1985
The claims of a year are completely unfounded and I'm sorry for putting it out there, but i'm reading a medical .pdf and it says you can survive for three months with only water fortified with electrolytes and vitamins. Not eating for up to two months depends on body mass physical exertion etc. But 7 days... humans arent that fragile.
I want to see the parents' faces in interviews or in the courtroom, because I'm pretty sure they are not remorseful at all. If they look like they do, it's only because they fear prison more than they regret the death of that boy.
On August 27 2011 10:29 stokes17 wrote: ugh....way to go texas
Hey, they're the "true America". I'd be happy if they secede and take their ass-backwards fringes with them.
As a Texan I take extreme offense from this. This is not representative of the average person in my state. So please take your ignorance somewhere else.
This is more than just murder in my eyes, the parents should be charged with torture as well. No water and the kid had to sit in front of the sun. That is fucked up.
I want to see the parents' faces in interviews or in the courtroom, because I'm pretty sure they are not remorseful at all. If they look like they do, it's only because they fear prison more than they regret the death of that boy.
Just recently parents beat a kid to death and his sibling almost to death and now that... Kinda glad you're not allowed to beat / torture your kids around here.
I hope the people who did this are chained to rocks in the desert, and every day, a vulture will eat their liver. Overnight, the liver and their body will grow back, and every hot afternoon, the vulture will re-visit them. For all of eternity.
On August 27 2011 10:29 stokes17 wrote: ugh....way to go texas
Hey, they're the "true America". I'd be happy if they secede and take their ass-backwards fringes with them.
As a Texan I take extreme offense from this. This is not representative of the average person in my state. So please take your ignorance somewhere else.
Yeah, exactly. I live in Texas and would never intentionally dehydrate a child. I don't understand why some people being pieces of shit means we have "ass-backwards fringes," whatever that means. I'm sure it's meant to be offensive though.
On August 27 2011 10:29 stokes17 wrote: ugh....way to go texas
Hey, they're the "true America". I'd be happy if they secede and take their ass-backwards fringes with them.
As a Texan I take extreme offense from this. This is not representative of the average person in my state. So please take your ignorance somewhere else.
Yeah, exactly. I live in Texas and would never intentionally dehydrate a child. I don't understand why some people being pieces of shit means we have "ass-backwards fringes," whatever that means. I'm sure it's meant to be offensive though.
Hmmm, this post makes me wonder if he has ever been to Texas. If he has, he would know there aren't many rednecks.
On August 27 2011 11:19 insomdapowahouz wrote: you know the funniest part of this?
they will get a few months at most of jail time, where somebody who is caught with drugs can get a life sentence
awesome country
You base this off of what, exactly? A first degree felony in the United States, specifically in Texas, carries with it a minimum penalty of five years to life. This translates to 60 months of jail time if convicted, at a minimum.
Someone caught with drugs, on the other hand, is charged with a Class A Misdemeanor, punishable by up to 1 year in prison. Unless you're trafficking 50 to 2000 lbs of marijuana, which is a felony punishable by 2 to 20 years in prison.
I'm all for punishment when kids do something wrong but what the fuck? Seriously I what kind of mind is it a good idea to withhold hydration from a kid for 5 days let alone using it as punishment. Spank the kid send him to bed without dinner and be off with it. Hope these bastards are in prison for life.
On August 27 2011 11:19 insomdapowahouz wrote: you know the funniest part of this?
they will get a few months at most of jail time, where somebody who is caught with drugs can get a life sentence
awesome country
Are you daft or do you just hate America that much? These people will be charged with both murder and torture, child endangerment, child negligence, and much much more, and in Texas they will get at least life in prison, if not the death penalty. Yes, America has (kinda) strict drug laws, but that's completely besides the point. Next time please at least do a little research before insulting a country of 300+ million people.
On August 27 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote: Their charge is "injury to a child"? How about torture and murder?
If someone chained up an adult next to a hot window and let them die of thirst, no one would be looking to soften it up to some jail sentence.
I would really have no qualms about seeing these scumbags get the lethal injection.
They were already charged with a first degree felony, which is the highest form of crime in Texas State Court. It's on the same level as murder. I'm sure there will be other charges levied against them, so the likelihood of them getting off with less than life to death is marginal at best.
The charge "causing serious bodily injury to child, senior citizen, or disabled person" is by no means an attempt to soften it up to some jail sentence. That's, again, a very serious crime comparable to murder in Texas.
OP if you happen to track the story please Update/Bump when this gets to court, seriously they're only charging with injury to child? How about torture and manslaughter.
On August 27 2011 11:33 Armathai wrote: Disgusting bit of news,
OP if you happen to track the story please Update/Bump when this gets to court, seriously they're only charging with injury to child? How about torture and manslaughter.
Again, this is the highest form of crime in Texas. Murder is the equivalent of "causing serious bodily injury to child." This isn't the state "only charging" them with a first degree felony. You're just reading it that way.
It's stuff like this that reminds me of why I am in support of Capital Punishment, they brutally tortured and murdered this kid. This is hardly different than a Serial Killer in terms of horribleness. I hope that they suffer for this, seriously.
pooor kid, i wonder if he knew what death really was... hard to believe that he didn't cry out that he was going to die if he did. dying of dehydration, what insanity...
On August 27 2011 11:36 Malgrif wrote: pooor kid, i wonder if he knew what death really was... hard to believe that he didn't cry out that he was going to die if he did. dying of dehydration, what insanity...
If his parental figures were cruel enough to do this, I'm sure that he was much too frightened of them to do something like that. I think his brother's comments were indicative of that.
As a father, sometimes you can understand disciplines that may seem harsh, but this is utterly sickening to me...I hate to read these stories because it makes me question whether all parents are capable of such atrocities...
This reminds me of the incident where a child's parents locked her in the basement for the first 13 years of her life or something. It was pretty horrific, and they ruined that child's life
Seems like so many depressing stories have come up lately, this one being the worst. Torture/murder is one thing, but killing your own son by dehydration? fucked up
When I read the title I thought "Holy shit, where did this even happen?" before looking at the article. I live in Dallas -_- Absolutely fucking shocking.
"injury to a child causing serious bodily injury" is a bullshit charge. Depriving a human beeing for water for 5 days is more in the category "Attempted murder".
On August 27 2011 12:53 dupshflayh wrote: "injury to a child causing serious bodily injury" is a bullshit charge. Depriving a human beeing for water for 5 days is more in the category "Attempted murder".
Some people shouldn't have kids.
It's equivalent there, and it's Texas, so the guy's probably getting life in prison or the death penalty.
On August 27 2011 12:53 dupshflayh wrote: "injury to a child causing serious bodily injury" is a bullshit charge. Depriving a human beeing for water for 5 days is more in the category "Attempted murder".
Some people shouldn't have kids.
It's equivalent there, and it's Texas, so the guy's probably getting life in prison or the death penalty.
Was about to go edit that out. Should've looked over the post twice. But it still sounds like a pretty bad wording for "murder" though. Because that's what they did, in a exceedingly cruel way.
On August 27 2011 12:53 dupshflayh wrote: "injury to a child causing serious bodily injury" is a bullshit charge. Depriving a human beeing for water for 5 days is more in the category "Attempted murder".
Some people shouldn't have kids.
It's not a bullshit charge. If you read the thread, you'd find out that it's the equivalent of murder as a first degree felony. This is a much more serious offense than "attempted murder," and in conjunction with other charges will likely net the parents life in prison or death.
Edit:
On August 27 2011 13:10 dupshflayh wrote:. Was about to go edit that out. Should've looked over the post twice. But it still sounds like a pretty bad wording for "murder" though. Because that's what they did, in a exceedingly cruel way.
There's no reason for the charge to be murder, as the current charge is the equivalent of murder and is much easier to prosecute. Proving that the couple caused the child serious bodily injury which resulted in his death is a much easier case. There's no reason for the state to risk prosecuting the couple solely on murder since that's legally more difficult to prove here, and it would be no less grievous of a crime to the court.
I was so sad when I read through the pasted portions of the article. I wondered to myself, "who could do such a terrible act?". Then I looked at the photo of the parents and instantly thought, "yeah, that looks about right.". I am so grossed out my how terrible human beings are. If this doesn't inspire you to go out and be a better person to make up for these douches -- then please go get your head checked.
Wow... they should be charged with first degree murder, IMO.
This is absolutely fucked. Torturing someone to death as a form of punishment. Continuing to feed someone while depriving them of water is cruel, and beyond neglectful. It's malicious and cold-blooded. This would be the type of thing a dude gets shanked over in jail. I for one, wouldn't feel sorry for him, either.
R.I.P. I feel so bad for the surviving brother... T.T
Life sentence minimum, if it were me I'd deprive the parents of water until they are just about gone, then give them some - and keep doing that until they are old and can't take it. But then again, that's just me and I'm pretty harsh. (I know this will get the inevitable "how are you any better" argument, but I don't really care in this situation)
It amazes me how depraved people like this are. Some people do some messed up shit... but man... this is just a new low.
I hope they get max penalty. That's pretty much murder right there.
In Texas, unless stars align and they get an insanity plea in successfully, the bare minimum will be a life sentence. The max is the death penalty which is what most people are hoping for now (as am I). Even if it winds up being a life sentence, the other inmates will pull a vigilante move on them (killed in prison). It's rarely reported, but even in prison, a conviction for harming a child in anyway is severely looked down upon by other inmates and offenders are treated like garbage, severely beaten up often, and sometimes murdered themselves.
On August 27 2011 09:13 SeeDLiNg wrote: I just won 10 bucks betting myself it happened in the US...
I love this country but holy shit do we breed some stupid MFers...
Honestly, there are some serious problems within the USA, but there are crazy people everywhere. Like Norway's spree shooter or the Train Bombings in London. I mean yeah, these people are absolutely messed up in the head, but it's not just the USA. I think that things like this just get more publicity in the USA then anywhere else, but it's still completely inexcusable and revolting.
On August 27 2011 13:44 cyclonous wrote: How is this not murder? make the crime fit the punishment, string these delinquent f*cks to the gallows.
As has been stated countless times throughout the thread, this is the equivalent of murder. There's no reason for the charge to be murder, as the current charge is the equivalent of murder and is much easier to prosecute. Proving that the couple caused the child serious bodily injury which resulted in his death will hardly be a challenge for the state to convict the couple on.
This is the type of behavior that half makes me think there should be some kind of rest parents should have to pass to be able to have kids. I feel bad for his brother too. Not being able to help him as he died, that's gonna be one for the therapist. The parents should have the same thing done to them except they should be offered oil to drink or something like that to taunt them. Just wrong.
Seriously why bring this shit here. Those parents are some sick fucks and they don't deserve even the slightest bit of press no matter the light they're portrayed in. That is beyond cruel.
I'm an American and I love being one. I love freedom... however, people should have to take a test before having a child. You shouldn't be free to have a child if you're a piece of shit demented fuckwad.
Freedom is great as long as you're not preventing someone else from enjoying freedom due to your lifestyle. (ie. free to murder; of course that's wrong, freedom has its limits) Preventing a child from life is the most heinous, disgusting act I can think of.
On August 27 2011 09:13 SeeDLiNg wrote: I just won 10 bucks betting myself it happened in the US...
I love this country but holy shit do we breed some stupid MFers...
Honestly, there are some serious problems within the USA, but there are crazy people everywhere. Like Norway's spree shooter or the Train Bombings in London. I mean yeah, these people are absolutely messed up in the head, but it's not just the USA. I think that things like this just get more publicity in the USA then anywhere else, but it's still completely inexcusable and revolting.
Nah, USA does have the highest rate of criminality and homocides.
Personally I think it has to do with gun laws and death penalty making taking lives justified in a way by people who arn't 100% right in the head. Ofcourse that's just my thoughts, and I might be completely wrong, and I have no proof whatsoever to back them up.
I completely agree with you that sick shit happens all over the world all the time. I'm interested if this was caused purely by lack of education in what lack of water does to you, or if they had some pyschological lability.
On August 27 2011 09:13 SeeDLiNg wrote: I just won 10 bucks betting myself it happened in the US...
I love this country but holy shit do we breed some stupid MFers...
Honestly, there are some serious problems within the USA, but there are crazy people everywhere. Like Norway's spree shooter or the Train Bombings in London. I mean yeah, these people are absolutely messed up in the head, but it's not just the USA. I think that things like this just get more publicity in the USA then anywhere else, but it's still completely inexcusable and revolting.
Nah, USA does have the highest rate of criminality and homocides.
Personally I think it has to do with gun laws and death penalty making taking lives justified in a way by people who arn't 100% right in the head. Ofcourse that's just my thoughts, and I might be completely wrong, and I have no proof whatsoever to back them up.
I completely agree with you that sick shit happens all over the world all the time. I'm interested if this was caused purely by lack of education in what lack of water does to you, or if they had some pyschological lability.
USA has the highest rate of criminality and homicides according to who?
On August 27 2011 14:05 CryingCow wrote: does the death penalty still exist in texas?
Fuck yeah it does. I don't mean to take it lightly. I was born and raised in Texas and still live there today and I absolutely agree with the death penalty. Some people can't change, some people are absolute monsters. It doesn't matter to me if they have a mental deformity that causes them to act the way they do or if they're just genuinely evil. Some people need to be removed from this planet. They're not going to change, they are fucked up in the head.
I understand that anyone could be subject to a mental deformity that causes them to behave in ways that go against our most deepest beliefs as a society. That's life. It sucks, it may seem unfair, but that's how it is. People need to be removed.
If I was a sadistic monster I would want to be removed from this planet as well.
If anyone has a problem with that feel free to take it up with god, mother earth or whoever the fuck you feel is responsible, but it isn't me. I didn't create the monsters, but I will see to their destruction.
On August 27 2011 09:13 SeeDLiNg wrote: I just won 10 bucks betting myself it happened in the US...
I love this country but holy shit do we breed some stupid MFers...
Honestly, there are some serious problems within the USA, but there are crazy people everywhere. Like Norway's spree shooter or the Train Bombings in London. I mean yeah, these people are absolutely messed up in the head, but it's not just the USA. I think that things like this just get more publicity in the USA then anywhere else, but it's still completely inexcusable and revolting.
Nah, USA does have the highest rate of criminality and homocides.
Personally I think it has to do with gun laws and death penalty making taking lives justified in a way by people who arn't 100% right in the head. Ofcourse that's just my thoughts, and I might be completely wrong, and I have no proof whatsoever to back them up.
I completely agree with you that sick shit happens all over the world all the time. I'm interested if this was caused purely by lack of education in what lack of water does to you, or if they had some pyschological lability.
Don't ever mention gun laws as a reasoning for high crime rates in America.
North America 6.5 Central Asia and Transcaucasian countries 6.6 Europe 5.4 Near and Middle East/South-west Asia 4.4 Oceania 4 South Asia 3.4 Asia 3.2 South-east Europe 3.2 East and South-east Asia 2.8 West and Central Europe 1.5
North America 6.5 Central Asia and Transcaucasian countries 6.6 Europe 5.4 Near and Middle East/South-west Asia 4.4 Oceania 4 South Asia 3.4 Asia 3.2 South-east Europe 3.2 East and South-east Asia 2.8 West and Central Europe 1.5
Sorry I mean western Europe.
1.5*4 = 6 < 6.5
If you meant Western Europe, fine - then still read properly. United States is 5.0, not 6.5. Despite popular belief, the USA is not synonymous with North America, as North America has ~20 more countries.
1.5 * 4 = 6 > 5.
Also keep in mind that attempted murder is counted toward the 5.0, and not toward Western Europe's 1.5. This also includes nonnegligent manslaughter rates.
North America 6.5 Central Asia and Transcaucasian countries 6.6 Europe 5.4 Near and Middle East/South-west Asia 4.4 Oceania 4 South Asia 3.4 Asia 3.2 South-east Europe 3.2 East and South-east Asia 2.8 West and Central Europe 1.5
Sorry I mean western Europe.
1.5*4 = 6 < 6.5
If you meant Western Europe, fine - then still read properly. United States is 5.0, not 6.5. Despite popular belief, the USA is not synonymous with North America, as North America has ~20 more countries.
1.5 * 4 = 6 > 5.
Also keep in mind that attempted murder is counted toward the 5.0, and not toward Western Europe's 1.5.
Even if he meant Western Europe only those stats are inaccurate, because North America lumps in Mexico with it's drug wars.
Isn't it utterly irritating that you are powerless too stop something like this from happening. Seriously what is wrong with people, dehydrate your kid, make him stand in the sun for 5 days straight. And ultimately watch him suffer and die.
Did they give a rats ass at all, what happened to them as kids to make them so utterly fucked up in the head.
Well I hope the prisoners find out how they killed this kid, and snatch every bit of water from these people, and let them feel that pain.
I hope those parents never see the light of day and gets life in prison.
Put them in a hot tin building for 5 days without water and if they survive they get to go free. That's what they deserve. They don't deserve free room and board at the expensive of tax payers.
I hope those parents never see the light of day and gets life in prison.
Put them in a hot tin building for 5 days without water and if they survive they get to go free. That's what they deserve. They don't deserve free room and board at the expensive of tax payers.
If they survive, they get to go to prison more like.
Id rather have them in a hellish prison instead of out in the world abusing kids
Usually I dont advocate eye for eye behaviour, but this was just so avoidable and wrong that I seriously wish they go through the same hell they put him through, poor kid, they must have kept an eye on him for a long time considering he could have drank water from the washroom tap, or he was just too damn obedient. Sad world
Separate them, put them each in a cell for 20 hours a day, the other 4 split up in two 2 hour splits where they have to sit in the sun while strapped to a chair. The only food they get is Peanut Butter, they get no water. If they survive then they spend the rest of their lives in prison.
I really almost think that would be warranted in this case. Dying isn't fun and there are a lot of awful ways to go, but having your body starved of required resources so you slowly die is probably one of the worst.
On August 27 2011 09:13 SeeDLiNg wrote: I just won 10 bucks betting myself it happened in the US...
I love this country but holy shit do we breed some stupid MFers...
Honestly, there are some serious problems within the USA, but there are crazy people everywhere. Like Norway's spree shooter or the Train Bombings in London. I mean yeah, these people are absolutely messed up in the head, but it's not just the USA. I think that things like this just get more publicity in the USA then anywhere else, but it's still completely inexcusable and revolting.
Nah, USA does have the highest rate of criminality and homocides.
Personally I think it has to do with gun laws and death penalty making taking lives justified in a way by people who arn't 100% right in the head. Ofcourse that's just my thoughts, and I might be completely wrong, and I have no proof whatsoever to back them up.
I completely agree with you that sick shit happens all over the world all the time. I'm interested if this was caused purely by lack of education in what lack of water does to you, or if they had some pyschological lability.
USA has the highest rate of criminality and homicides according to who?
On August 27 2011 09:13 SeeDLiNg wrote: I just won 10 bucks betting myself it happened in the US...
I love this country but holy shit do we breed some stupid MFers...
Honestly, there are some serious problems within the USA, but there are crazy people everywhere. Like Norway's spree shooter or the Train Bombings in London. I mean yeah, these people are absolutely messed up in the head, but it's not just the USA. I think that things like this just get more publicity in the USA then anywhere else, but it's still completely inexcusable and revolting.
Nah, USA does have the highest rate of criminality and homocides.
Personally I think it has to do with gun laws and death penalty making taking lives justified in a way by people who arn't 100% right in the head. Ofcourse that's just my thoughts, and I might be completely wrong, and I have no proof whatsoever to back them up.
I completely agree with you that sick shit happens all over the world all the time. I'm interested if this was caused purely by lack of education in what lack of water does to you, or if they had some pyschological lability.
USA has the highest rate of criminality and homicides according to who?
No, it doesn't, as a matter of fact. I don't know where you got your information.
Also, there's imo a big difference between a regular murder and crazy shit like this, you find these sociopaths in all countries and they pop up in the press now and then. Parents tormenting there children to death (sweden, UK) or locking them up in basements for x years (Austria). Take one extreme happening in one country, and you're almost guaranteed to find something similar has already happened in yours, maybe even several times.
On August 27 2011 09:13 SeeDLiNg wrote: I just won 10 bucks betting myself it happened in the US...
I love this country but holy shit do we breed some stupid MFers...
Honestly, there are some serious problems within the USA, but there are crazy people everywhere. Like Norway's spree shooter or the Train Bombings in London. I mean yeah, these people are absolutely messed up in the head, but it's not just the USA. I think that things like this just get more publicity in the USA then anywhere else, but it's still completely inexcusable and revolting.
Nah, USA does have the highest rate of criminality and homocides.
Personally I think it has to do with gun laws and death penalty making taking lives justified in a way by people who arn't 100% right in the head. Ofcourse that's just my thoughts, and I might be completely wrong, and I have no proof whatsoever to back them up.
I completely agree with you that sick shit happens all over the world all the time. I'm interested if this was caused purely by lack of education in what lack of water does to you, or if they had some pyschological lability.
USA has the highest rate of criminality and homicides according to who?
No, it doesn't, as a matter of fact. I don't know where you got your information.
OK fair enough, I must've missremembered, but compare to western Europe and it's still more than 4 times as many.
It's about 3 times as many. North America has a homicide rate of 6.5, whereas the USA has a homicide rate of 5.0, and Western Europe has a homicide rate of 1.5. It's no Sweden, sure - but it's not as rampant as people are making it sound like.
Why would anyone do this horrible thing to their child? Put them through what the kid went through, I say.
Put them in a hot tin building for 5 days without water and if they survive they get to go free. That's what they deserve. They don't deserve free room and board at the expensive of tax payers.
Oh my god, the poor child.. I can only IMAGINE, what he had to go through. I remember when it was that hot out here I had water, ac everything going... sigh. Makes you appreciate life that much more. But still, thats a horrible crime
This is sad because its actually took place near me, I feel so bad for the kid. Its was almost 115 the past few days. The temperature in my car read 113F when I went to work.
For anyone to have to bear that kind of heat with no water is unbelievable...
On August 27 2011 09:13 SeeDLiNg wrote: I just won 10 bucks betting myself it happened in the US...
I love this country but holy shit do we breed some stupid MFers...
Honestly, there are some serious problems within the USA, but there are crazy people everywhere. Like Norway's spree shooter or the Train Bombings in London. I mean yeah, these people are absolutely messed up in the head, but it's not just the USA. I think that things like this just get more publicity in the USA then anywhere else, but it's still completely inexcusable and revolting.
Nah, USA does have the highest rate of criminality and homocides.
Personally I think it has to do with gun laws and death penalty making taking lives justified in a way by people who arn't 100% right in the head. Ofcourse that's just my thoughts, and I might be completely wrong, and I have no proof whatsoever to back them up.
I completely agree with you that sick shit happens all over the world all the time. I'm interested if this was caused purely by lack of education in what lack of water does to you, or if they had some pyschological lability.
USA has the highest rate of criminality and homicides according to who?
No, it doesn't, as a matter of fact. I don't know where you got your information.
Also, there's imo a big difference between a regular murder and crazy shit like this, you find these sociopaths in all countries and they pop up in the press now and then. Parents tormenting there children to death (sweden, UK) or locking them up in basements for x years (Austria). Take one extreme happening in one country, and you're almost guaranteed to find something similar has already happened in yours, maybe even several times.
It's a sick world, my friends
Part of it is because people and the media like to broadcast shit like this. It's demoralizing to read about such bottomless depravity like these people have portrayed and it leaves a mark on people.
If there is Hell, I hope they roast there, without water, for eternity.
Sadly reminds on the movie "An American Crime". I cannot even imagine what this means for the little brother. Being helpless and yet will feel guilty of not having helped for his whole life.
That's one of the most fucking retarded and sad things I've ever had. I think that logical consequences are useful, how about the parents have to stand outside in the heat with no water and they can only eat peanut butter until their time in jail is over.
I'm in Dallas and my girlfriend and I have both suffered mild heat exhaustion and dehydration just going outside. I can't go anywhere without a drink in my hand. That must have been the definition of hell. I can't imagine what must have been done to those awful people that made them do something so awful to such a young kid.
It's Texas. The jury is practically guaranteed to show no mercy in a case like this, and they don't deserve any mercy anyway. A child is the last thing you should harm. Normally, I wouldn't advocate the death penalty, but I'd rather that then have them waste taxpayer money for the rest of their miserable lives. Bring on the needles.
Srsly - if I read sth like that i am getting really mad
"They day that he died, they made him eat a PBJ, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich,"Joseph said referring to his father and step-mother, "and the peanut butter got stuck in his throat and they still wouldn't let him have water."
"They made him stand in front of a window," Joseph said. "They put an 'X' on the floor and an 'X' on the window and the sun was coming straight through it and there was no air conditioning there."
Srsly how could parents do sth like that???? Hope they burn in hell... (even if I am not religious) -.-
I think this is one of the cases where the "let the punishment fit the crime" idea should come into play. Have those 2 be deprived of water untill they die, watched over by guards of course to make sure they comply. have them handcuffed and leg cuffed the whole time too, maybe with a ball and chain too.
... seriously i dont know what to say other than the world is going crazy, you dont even hear good news anymore it's always those kinds of things and it really make me sad that a children had to suffer like hell for that long... peace&love
What's with all the comments about society going downhill? As atrocious and cruel this crime has been, these things happen, and they happen often. No need to be surprised about random people behaving like animals or as if they haven't been gifted with a brain to think (seriously, FIVE days?); these things have happened since men climbed down from their trees.
Stupid people do stupid things; sadly, oftentimes others are harmed in the process or, as in this tragic case, killed by it.
On August 27 2011 22:00 TelV wrote: Meanwhile in America...
Feel free to browse the cases of neglect, violence against children etc. of the last years in Germany, then come back and rethink your post. Here's one example.
On August 27 2011 22:06 g0G0RandOm wrote: ... seriously i dont know what to say other than the world is going crazy, you dont even hear good news anymore it's always those kinds of things and it really make me sad that a children had to suffer like hell for that long... peace&love
It's called the news and the Internet, they have always been full of terrible stories because that is what sells.
On August 27 2011 11:13 GigaFlop wrote: I hope the people who did this are chained to rocks in the desert, and every day, a vulture will eat their liver. Overnight, the liver and their body will grow back, and every hot afternoon, the vulture will re-visit them. For all of eternity.
Naa, I think the torment of Tantalus punishment would be more appropriate. In Greek Mythology Tantalus was forced, for all eternity, to stand chin-deep in water that receded whenever he tried to drink. Would be so appropriate.
Why is all that I'm thinking? Why did they punish him without water for 5 days! wtf man? Why did they try to kill him (if you force somone to nok drink water for 5 days you are trying to comit murder), what the fuck is wrong with these people? .
On August 27 2011 22:06 g0G0RandOm wrote: ... seriously i dont know what to say other than the world is going crazy, you dont even hear good news anymore it's always those kinds of things and it really make me sad that a children had to suffer like hell for that long... peace&love
Bad news sell better, and in a globalized world there are lots of news....
It's really disturbing to picture the situation as it took place.
On a side note, I think it's really alarming how easy it seems to be for some people to dehumanize other human beings. Count yourself lucky for not being responsible for the punishment, you wouldn't want to live in a society that's justice-system is based on an eye for an eye.
On August 27 2011 18:48 sleepingdog wrote: wow, society is really going down the drain everywhere you look.....
does anyone else have to think about this when reading about all this sick stuff going on everywhere
How so? 2000 years ago, it was perfectly legal in almost every existing civilization, from the Roman Empire to a little village of a pathetic collection of shacks, for a father to murder his children.
Now, you do that, and you will be punished by the law. Society is clearly going downhill.
I just thought of a great punishment for the sickest, most psychotic people in the world - send them to a tribe that still practices cannibalism.
I truly have no place in my heart for people like this. Every time I read some fucked up shit like this I just want them to suffer in ways much worse than what they had done to the victim(s).
On August 27 2011 12:22 Spec wrote: Sorry to say this, but I blame the education.
Same. Time to start fixing some things in the society.
I just don't understand how anyone would not understand that people need water to live. I know I've been privileged to have a good school system, but are there really schools somewhere in the US that don't have a single health class or 3rd grade class where they mention that water is needed? I just checked and health is a required class in Texas. Maybe it has more to do with the individuals and upbringing than the school system in this case...
There has to be something wrong the parents, or at least they're complete and utter idiots. This story makes me incredibly angry; I hope they are punished as harshly as possible.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
As has been repeated numerous times in the thread, "causing serious bodily injury to a child" is the equivalent of murder to Texas State court. This isn't "only injury to a child," this is a first degree felony which will likely result in a life sentence.
On August 27 2011 12:22 Spec wrote: Sorry to say this, but I blame the education.
Same. Time to start fixing some things in the society.
I just don't understand how anyone would not understand that people need water to live. I know I've been privileged to have a good school system, but are there really schools somewhere in the US that don't have a single health class or 3rd grade class where they mention that water is needed? I just checked and health is a required class in Texas. Maybe it has more to do with the individuals and upbringing than the school system in this case...
There has to be something wrong the parents, or at least they're complete and utter idiots. This story makes me incredibly angry; I hope they are punished as harshly as possible.
Idiocy implies that they didn't know that withholding water was harmful. If they didn't know it was harmful, they wouldn't have done it as a punishment. This was as willful and deliberate as a parent beating a child to death; the only difference is timescale and the callousness of the act.
At least the parent who beat the child to death can say that it happened quickly or in the heat of the moment. That doesn't mean that such a person isn't fucking evil, but just compare it to these people.
They had to live, in the same house, with a child who they were willingly denying water. For five days. How cold do you have to be to even be able to do that? That isn't a "heat of the moment thing". That's every hour. Every minute. For five days.
Did the child beg for water? Did they have to hear his appeals to just have something to drink, please? There would have had to be something. Which means that they would have heard his appeals and been unmoved by them.
These people weren't idiots. They were sick fucks. Don't insult actual idiots by comparing them to these assholes.
In a way, as a Texan, I'm almost glad that if it happened, it happens here. Don't get me wrong, as a parent myself, I find this disgusting and want only the worst for these pieces of shit. It just so happens that our legal system here frequently gets attacked for being too strong, too harsh, too rough on criminals. I don't think many people will consider that to be anything but the perfect place for these people to be tried.
On August 27 2011 14:05 CryingCow wrote: does the death penalty still exist in texas?
Fuck yeah it does. I don't mean to take it lightly. I was born and raised in Texas and still live there today and I absolutely agree with the death penalty. Some people can't change, some people are absolute monsters. It doesn't matter to me if they have a mental deformity that causes them to act the way they do or if they're just genuinely evil. Some people need to be removed from this planet. They're not going to change, they are fucked up in the head.
I understand that anyone could be subject to a mental deformity that causes them to behave in ways that go against our most deepest beliefs as a society. That's life. It sucks, it may seem unfair, but that's how it is. People need to be removed.
If I was a sadistic monster I would want to be removed from this planet as well.
If anyone has a problem with that feel free to take it up with god, mother earth or whoever the fuck you feel is responsible, but it isn't me. I didn't create the monsters, but I will see to their destruction.
Do you know anything about the death penalty?
Who are you to say that killing is wrong if you then go and kill someone? That is something known as hypocrisy. You sound like a vigilante (which is not a compliment) who has serious problems.
Plus, morals aside (which I believe is the important reason why the death penalty is so wrong, but if you disagree then this might make you think otherwise), here's some interesting facts: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty Did you know that the death penalty actually costs more then imprisoning a person for life? I remember when I heard that I was pretty amazed.
Also, you made a distinction, so I'm just wondering what other people think, are there people who are just "evil" but don't have something messed up in their head?
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On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
Have you guys read about what dieing from dehydration is like?
Your eyeballs get so dry, you cant blink. You have to keep them closed and wait to die. Your throat cracks and it becomes painful to breathe. I read about it once.
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
Arguing with god huh? Not that I am a big believer but god clearly allows the death penalty. Look at this bible thing he wrote, it clearly allows death penalty.
That's fucked up. Reminds me of the case where a woman forced a little girl (forgot their exact relationship) to eat a pudding 'spiced up' with so much salt that it killed her.
But am I surprised? No. Unfortunately not. There's fucked up people everywhere in the world. The ones hitting the news are only the tip of the iceberg. Plenty never even make police records, even though they definitely should.
On August 27 2011 14:05 CryingCow wrote: does the death penalty still exist in texas?
Fuck yeah it does. I don't mean to take it lightly. I was born and raised in Texas and still live there today and I absolutely agree with the death penalty. Some people can't change, some people are absolute monsters. It doesn't matter to me if they have a mental deformity that causes them to act the way they do or if they're just genuinely evil. Some people need to be removed from this planet. They're not going to change, they are fucked up in the head.
I understand that anyone could be subject to a mental deformity that causes them to behave in ways that go against our most deepest beliefs as a society. That's life. It sucks, it may seem unfair, but that's how it is. People need to be removed.
If I was a sadistic monster I would want to be removed from this planet as well.
If anyone has a problem with that feel free to take it up with god, mother earth or whoever the fuck you feel is responsible, but it isn't me. I didn't create the monsters, but I will see to their destruction.
Do you know anything about the death penalty?
Who are you to say that killing is wrong if you then go and kill someone? That is something known as hypocrisy. You sound like a vigilante (which is not a compliment) who has serious problems.
Plus, morals aside (which I believe is the important reason why the death penalty is so wrong, but if you disagree then this might make you think otherwise), here's some interesting facts: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty Did you know that the death penalty actually costs more then imprisoning a person for life? I remember when I heard that I was pretty amazed.
Also, you made a distinction, so I'm just wondering what other people think, are there people who are just "evil" but don't have something messed up in their head?
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
You can make a hypocrisy argument for every kind of punishment, then.
On August 27 2011 14:05 CryingCow wrote: does the death penalty still exist in texas?
Fuck yeah it does. I don't mean to take it lightly. I was born and raised in Texas and still live there today and I absolutely agree with the death penalty. Some people can't change, some people are absolute monsters. It doesn't matter to me if they have a mental deformity that causes them to act the way they do or if they're just genuinely evil. Some people need to be removed from this planet. They're not going to change, they are fucked up in the head.
I understand that anyone could be subject to a mental deformity that causes them to behave in ways that go against our most deepest beliefs as a society. That's life. It sucks, it may seem unfair, but that's how it is. People need to be removed.
If I was a sadistic monster I would want to be removed from this planet as well.
If anyone has a problem with that feel free to take it up with god, mother earth or whoever the fuck you feel is responsible, but it isn't me. I didn't create the monsters, but I will see to their destruction.
Do you know anything about the death penalty?
Who are you to say that killing is wrong if you then go and kill someone? That is something known as hypocrisy. You sound like a vigilante (which is not a compliment) who has serious problems.
Plus, morals aside (which I believe is the important reason why the death penalty is so wrong, but if you disagree then this might make you think otherwise), here's some interesting facts: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty Did you know that the death penalty actually costs more then imprisoning a person for life? I remember when I heard that I was pretty amazed.
Also, you made a distinction, so I'm just wondering what other people think, are there people who are just "evil" but don't have something messed up in their head?
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
You can apply this logic to literally any form of punishment.
This is why I couldn't be in law enforcement. 1. I've dealt with tragedy enough and I don't want to deal with this kind of stuff 2. My gun would "go off" sometimes when dealing with these "people"
Ugh, it makes me feel gross just calling them that.
i don't see them lasting long in jail.. lot of people who are in jail for some crazy stuff still don't take kindly to others who abuse women or children. they will get there punishment one way or another
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
Arguing with god huh? Not that I am a big believer but god clearly allows the death penalty. Look at this bible thing he wrote, it clearly allows death penalty.
For a minute there, I thought that the Bible was written by, you know. People.
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
Arguing with god huh? Not that I am a big believer but god clearly allows the death penalty. Look at this bible thing he wrote, it clearly allows death penalty.
For a minute there, I thought that the Bible was written by, you know. People.
Yeah, and read some of the stuff his chosen people that wrote it got encouraged to do. Hell, if you believe in the Christian god, according to his book, he kind of came the closest the world has ever seen to succesful genocide with that flood of his.
Or there's all the fun when they left Egypt, Sodom and Gammorah, all kinds of fun massacres.
On August 27 2011 14:05 CryingCow wrote: does the death penalty still exist in texas?
Fuck yeah it does. I don't mean to take it lightly. I was born and raised in Texas and still live there today and I absolutely agree with the death penalty. Some people can't change, some people are absolute monsters. It doesn't matter to me if they have a mental deformity that causes them to act the way they do or if they're just genuinely evil. Some people need to be removed from this planet. They're not going to change, they are fucked up in the head.
I understand that anyone could be subject to a mental deformity that causes them to behave in ways that go against our most deepest beliefs as a society. That's life. It sucks, it may seem unfair, but that's how it is. People need to be removed.
If I was a sadistic monster I would want to be removed from this planet as well.
If anyone has a problem with that feel free to take it up with god, mother earth or whoever the fuck you feel is responsible, but it isn't me. I didn't create the monsters, but I will see to their destruction.
Do you know anything about the death penalty?
Who are you to say that killing is wrong if you then go and kill someone? That is something known as hypocrisy. You sound like a vigilante (which is not a compliment) who has serious problems.
Plus, morals aside (which I believe is the important reason why the death penalty is so wrong, but if you disagree then this might make you think otherwise), here's some interesting facts: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty Did you know that the death penalty actually costs more then imprisoning a person for life? I remember when I heard that I was pretty amazed.
Also, you made a distinction, so I'm just wondering what other people think, are there people who are just "evil" but don't have something messed up in their head?
EDIT:
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
You can make a hypocrisy argument for every kind of punishment, then.
Maybe I'm crazy, but there is a serious difference from locking a person up and from taking away their life. Is it just me or does everyone deserve a right to life at the very least, and if you're going to
What reason can you possibly have for killing another human being? It costs more in most cases, any form of killing is an atrocity that should be avoided at all costs, and on top of all that, it's irreversible. Give me one good reason for capital punishment, I'd love to hear it. There is nothing better about it as opposed to the alternative; even if you're alright with it morally, it isn't even better financially.
I don't understand it personally, I feel like it's a way of the past that needs to be abolished. If you kill somebody, there is no return, and let's be honest, America's legal system (while I support it) is not 100% accurate. If you can't guarantee accuracy then there shouldn't be a punishment as definitive and unforgiving as capital punishment.
Since 1973 approximately 6,000 people have been sentenced to death in the United States. The report noted that the 69 who have been released from death row during that period represent a little more than 1 out of every 100 prisoners sentenced to death. That is a hideous error rate for so horrible a punishment.
If 1 out of every 100 people sentenced to death are found innocent BEFORE their execution, I bet there are cases where people are executed despite being innocent. If people who are innocent are being killed, then you have a serious problem.
I'm all for punishing these people, but the death penalty (in my opinion) is wrong, and I personally have never heard a good argument for it. I'd be delighted to hear one.
On August 27 2011 14:05 CryingCow wrote: does the death penalty still exist in texas?
Fuck yeah it does. I don't mean to take it lightly. I was born and raised in Texas and still live there today and I absolutely agree with the death penalty. Some people can't change, some people are absolute monsters. It doesn't matter to me if they have a mental deformity that causes them to act the way they do or if they're just genuinely evil. Some people need to be removed from this planet. They're not going to change, they are fucked up in the head.
I understand that anyone could be subject to a mental deformity that causes them to behave in ways that go against our most deepest beliefs as a society. That's life. It sucks, it may seem unfair, but that's how it is. People need to be removed.
If I was a sadistic monster I would want to be removed from this planet as well.
If anyone has a problem with that feel free to take it up with god, mother earth or whoever the fuck you feel is responsible, but it isn't me. I didn't create the monsters, but I will see to their destruction.
Do you know anything about the death penalty?
Who are you to say that killing is wrong if you then go and kill someone? That is something known as hypocrisy. You sound like a vigilante (which is not a compliment) who has serious problems.
Plus, morals aside (which I believe is the important reason why the death penalty is so wrong, but if you disagree then this might make you think otherwise), here's some interesting facts: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty Did you know that the death penalty actually costs more then imprisoning a person for life? I remember when I heard that I was pretty amazed.
Also, you made a distinction, so I'm just wondering what other people think, are there people who are just "evil" but don't have something messed up in their head?
EDIT:
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
You can make a hypocrisy argument for every kind of punishment, then.
Maybe I'm crazy, but there is a serious difference from locking a person up and from taking away their life. Is it just me or does everyone deserve a right to life at the very least, and if you're going to
What reason can you possibly have for killing another human being? It costs more in most cases, any form of killing is an atrocity that should be avoided at all costs, and on top of all that, it's irreversible. Give me one good reason for capital punishment, I'd love to hear it. There is nothing better about it as opposed to the alternative; even if you're alright with it morally, it isn't even better financially.
I don't understand it personally, I feel like it's a way of the past that needs to be abolished. If you kill somebody, there is no return, and let's be honest, America's legal system (while I support it) is not 100% accurate. If you can't guarantee accuracy then there shouldn't be a punishment as definitive and unforgiving as capital punishment.
Since 1973 approximately 6,000 people have been sentenced to death in the United States. The report noted that the 69 who have been released from death row during that period represent a little more than 1 out of every 100 prisoners sentenced to death. That is a hideous error rate for so horrible a punishment.
If 1 out of every 100 people sentenced to death are found innocent BEFORE their execution, I bet there are cases where people are executed despite being innocent. If people who are innocent are being killed, then you have a serious problem.
I'm all for punishing these people, but the death penalty (in my opinion) is wrong, and I personally have never heard a good argument for it. I'd be delighted to hear one.
No, not everyone has a right to life after a certain point.
On August 27 2011 14:05 CryingCow wrote: does the death penalty still exist in texas?
Fuck yeah it does. I don't mean to take it lightly. I was born and raised in Texas and still live there today and I absolutely agree with the death penalty. Some people can't change, some people are absolute monsters. It doesn't matter to me if they have a mental deformity that causes them to act the way they do or if they're just genuinely evil. Some people need to be removed from this planet. They're not going to change, they are fucked up in the head.
I understand that anyone could be subject to a mental deformity that causes them to behave in ways that go against our most deepest beliefs as a society. That's life. It sucks, it may seem unfair, but that's how it is. People need to be removed.
If I was a sadistic monster I would want to be removed from this planet as well.
If anyone has a problem with that feel free to take it up with god, mother earth or whoever the fuck you feel is responsible, but it isn't me. I didn't create the monsters, but I will see to their destruction.
Do you know anything about the death penalty?
Who are you to say that killing is wrong if you then go and kill someone? That is something known as hypocrisy. You sound like a vigilante (which is not a compliment) who has serious problems.
Plus, morals aside (which I believe is the important reason why the death penalty is so wrong, but if you disagree then this might make you think otherwise), here's some interesting facts: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty Did you know that the death penalty actually costs more then imprisoning a person for life? I remember when I heard that I was pretty amazed.
Also, you made a distinction, so I'm just wondering what other people think, are there people who are just "evil" but don't have something messed up in their head?
EDIT:
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
You can make a hypocrisy argument for every kind of punishment, then.
Maybe I'm crazy, but there is a serious difference from locking a person up and from taking away their life. Is it just me or does everyone deserve a right to life at the very least, and if you're going to
What reason can you possibly have for killing another human being? It costs more in most cases, any form of killing is an atrocity that should be avoided at all costs, and on top of all that, it's irreversible. Give me one good reason for capital punishment, I'd love to hear it. There is nothing better about it as opposed to the alternative; even if you're alright with it morally, it isn't even better financially.
I don't understand it personally, I feel like it's a way of the past that needs to be abolished. If you kill somebody, there is no return, and let's be honest, America's legal system (while I support it) is not 100% accurate. If you can't guarantee accuracy then there shouldn't be a punishment as definitive and unforgiving as capital punishment.
Since 1973 approximately 6,000 people have been sentenced to death in the United States. The report noted that the 69 who have been released from death row during that period represent a little more than 1 out of every 100 prisoners sentenced to death. That is a hideous error rate for so horrible a punishment.
If 1 out of every 100 people sentenced to death are found innocent BEFORE their execution, I bet there are cases where people are executed despite being innocent. If people who are innocent are being killed, then you have a serious problem.
I'm all for punishing these people, but the death penalty (in my opinion) is wrong, and I personally have never heard a good argument for it. I'd be delighted to hear one.
No, not everyone has a right to life after a certain point.
Terrible story, yet when you see both parents everything makes perfect sense... Probably oblivious to the fact you need water to survive, because they don't drink water, and beer has water in it... fucking retarded rednecks.
On August 27 2011 14:05 CryingCow wrote: does the death penalty still exist in texas?
Fuck yeah it does. I don't mean to take it lightly. I was born and raised in Texas and still live there today and I absolutely agree with the death penalty. Some people can't change, some people are absolute monsters. It doesn't matter to me if they have a mental deformity that causes them to act the way they do or if they're just genuinely evil. Some people need to be removed from this planet. They're not going to change, they are fucked up in the head.
I understand that anyone could be subject to a mental deformity that causes them to behave in ways that go against our most deepest beliefs as a society. That's life. It sucks, it may seem unfair, but that's how it is. People need to be removed.
If I was a sadistic monster I would want to be removed from this planet as well.
If anyone has a problem with that feel free to take it up with god, mother earth or whoever the fuck you feel is responsible, but it isn't me. I didn't create the monsters, but I will see to their destruction.
Do you know anything about the death penalty?
Who are you to say that killing is wrong if you then go and kill someone? That is something known as hypocrisy. You sound like a vigilante (which is not a compliment) who has serious problems.
Plus, morals aside (which I believe is the important reason why the death penalty is so wrong, but if you disagree then this might make you think otherwise), here's some interesting facts: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty Did you know that the death penalty actually costs more then imprisoning a person for life? I remember when I heard that I was pretty amazed.
Also, you made a distinction, so I'm just wondering what other people think, are there people who are just "evil" but don't have something messed up in their head?
EDIT:
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
You can make a hypocrisy argument for every kind of punishment, then.
Maybe I'm crazy, but there is a serious difference from locking a person up and from taking away their life. Is it just me or does everyone deserve a right to life at the very least, and if you're going to
What reason can you possibly have for killing another human being? It costs more in most cases, any form of killing is an atrocity that should be avoided at all costs, and on top of all that, it's irreversible. Give me one good reason for capital punishment, I'd love to hear it. There is nothing better about it as opposed to the alternative; even if you're alright with it morally, it isn't even better financially.
I don't understand it personally, I feel like it's a way of the past that needs to be abolished. If you kill somebody, there is no return, and let's be honest, America's legal system (while I support it) is not 100% accurate. If you can't guarantee accuracy then there shouldn't be a punishment as definitive and unforgiving as capital punishment.
Since 1973 approximately 6,000 people have been sentenced to death in the United States. The report noted that the 69 who have been released from death row during that period represent a little more than 1 out of every 100 prisoners sentenced to death. That is a hideous error rate for so horrible a punishment.
If 1 out of every 100 people sentenced to death are found innocent BEFORE their execution, I bet there are cases where people are executed despite being innocent. If people who are innocent are being killed, then you have a serious problem.
I'm all for punishing these people, but the death penalty (in my opinion) is wrong, and I personally have never heard a good argument for it. I'd be delighted to hear one.
No, not everyone has a right to life after a certain point.
Sorry, would you like a more recent serial killer? I don't think the question was in context to time period (read: it wasn't). The question was simply if there was ever a reason for killing another human being.
On August 28 2011 11:15 cursor wrote: Have you guys read about what dieing from dehydration is like?
Your eyeballs get so dry, you cant blink. You have to keep them closed and wait to die. Your throat cracks and it becomes painful to breathe. I read about it once.
They should do that to the parents.
I've never been close to dehydration, but I know how much it sucks to go over a day without water. It hurts...
Damn I hope Texas court gives those parents a REAL punishment for this shit.
I think its best i dont say what i believe his parents should get as a punishment, these "everyone should have a life, even those who take away life from others" activists would get mad at me
Also, another article explains the charge quite clearly:
"According to some reports, they are charged with injury to a child causing serious bodily injury instead of murder, because it’s an easier charge to prove and carries the same penalty—99 years in prison if convicted."
Also, another article explains the charge quite clearly:
"According to some reports, they are charged with injury to a child causing serious bodily injury instead of murder, because it’s an easier charge to prove and carries the same penalty—99 years in prison if convicted."
I don't know how the criminal law in the US works, but for Austria it would make sense.
Murder requires intent - meaning, if some lawyer/psychologist could prove that the parents were too dumb/stupid to realize that their actions could indeed KILL (not just injure/harm) the child, then the murder-charges would have to be dropped!
Going with injury seems to be a 100% safe way, and since what they did was a real atrocity, I have no doubts in my mind that they'll receive a high punishment.
They were cruel but the kid could've sneaked a few yards to the faucet and drank some water while his parents were sleeping, they couldn't have stayed awake 5 days.
People like this just makes me so angry and sad. I feel ashamed to admit it, but I just want these people to be physically punished. I know this is insane, but the hate I feel against such sick individuals is so intense. They most likely need some sort of help since they both have to be mentally disturbed to commit such a horrible act. The rational part of myself feel that they should be put in a mental hospital, the emotional part wants to put them in a prison and turn off the cameras, give the guards a day off and let the mob wreck havoc.
On August 27 2011 14:05 CryingCow wrote: does the death penalty still exist in texas?
Fuck yeah it does. I don't mean to take it lightly. I was born and raised in Texas and still live there today and I absolutely agree with the death penalty. Some people can't change, some people are absolute monsters. It doesn't matter to me if they have a mental deformity that causes them to act the way they do or if they're just genuinely evil. Some people need to be removed from this planet. They're not going to change, they are fucked up in the head.
I understand that anyone could be subject to a mental deformity that causes them to behave in ways that go against our most deepest beliefs as a society. That's life. It sucks, it may seem unfair, but that's how it is. People need to be removed.
If I was a sadistic monster I would want to be removed from this planet as well.
If anyone has a problem with that feel free to take it up with god, mother earth or whoever the fuck you feel is responsible, but it isn't me. I didn't create the monsters, but I will see to their destruction.
Do you know anything about the death penalty?
Who are you to say that killing is wrong if you then go and kill someone? That is something known as hypocrisy. You sound like a vigilante (which is not a compliment) who has serious problems.
Plus, morals aside (which I believe is the important reason why the death penalty is so wrong, but if you disagree then this might make you think otherwise), here's some interesting facts: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty Did you know that the death penalty actually costs more then imprisoning a person for life? I remember when I heard that I was pretty amazed.
Also, you made a distinction, so I'm just wondering what other people think, are there people who are just "evil" but don't have something messed up in their head?
EDIT:
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
You can make a hypocrisy argument for every kind of punishment, then.
Maybe I'm crazy, but there is a serious difference from locking a person up and from taking away their life. Is it just me or does everyone deserve a right to life at the very least, and if you're going to
What reason can you possibly have for killing another human being? It costs more in most cases, any form of killing is an atrocity that should be avoided at all costs, and on top of all that, it's irreversible. Give me one good reason for capital punishment, I'd love to hear it. There is nothing better about it as opposed to the alternative; even if you're alright with it morally, it isn't even better financially.
I don't understand it personally, I feel like it's a way of the past that needs to be abolished. If you kill somebody, there is no return, and let's be honest, America's legal system (while I support it) is not 100% accurate. If you can't guarantee accuracy then there shouldn't be a punishment as definitive and unforgiving as capital punishment.
Since 1973 approximately 6,000 people have been sentenced to death in the United States. The report noted that the 69 who have been released from death row during that period represent a little more than 1 out of every 100 prisoners sentenced to death. That is a hideous error rate for so horrible a punishment.
If 1 out of every 100 people sentenced to death are found innocent BEFORE their execution, I bet there are cases where people are executed despite being innocent. If people who are innocent are being killed, then you have a serious problem.
I'm all for punishing these people, but the death penalty (in my opinion) is wrong, and I personally have never heard a good argument for it. I'd be delighted to hear one.
i dont think this thread is about pro/con death penalty, so do consider taking the political/moral debate somewhere else.
pretty horrifying case of stupidity at the least.. If they didn't blatantly plan to kill the child this would be a extreme case of uneducated people thinking that keeping the kid from drinking stops the bedweting and acts as a punishment
On August 29 2011 21:48 LetoAtreides82 wrote: They were cruel but the kid could've sneaked a few yards to the faucet and drank some water while his parents were sleeping, they couldn't have stayed awake 5 days.
I don't see the point of threads like these. Most of us know there's an ugly side of the world, and it doesn't help anyone to be reminded everyday of negative things. It would be much more productive to post happy/beautiful news instead because that can only lead to a better, happier day for everyone.
I can only imagine that dehydration is very painful so I don't understand what they must have done to force the kid NOT to find some way to drink. I agree, put these people in a glass box and put them on live t.v. so we can watch them eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches without water until they die.
You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake. No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough.
I'm generally against capital punishment and torture for a multitude of reasons but there are some people who deserve it. This is a case where I would love to see an eye for an eye punishment.
On August 30 2011 01:25 ckw wrote: I can only imagine that dehydration is very painful so I don't understand what they must have done to force the kid NOT to find some way to drink. I agree, put these people in a glass box and put them on live t.v. so we can watch them eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches without water until they die.
Just a little something to think about for the people saying his instincts should have forced him to run and get water somehow:
When I was about 6, my dad brought me to a client's house where he sat outside and chatted while I stayed inside to play Sega with her much older son and his friend. They were really nice to me right up until I went into their master bedroom to use the toilet in the bathroom there, and they decided it would be funny to lock me in there with them. I tried to escape a few times but they pushed me back and contented themselves with terrifying me and intimidating me until I finally hit one and flew downstairs yelling (my father never took any of it seriously).
I can only imagine how it would feel to be imprisoned like that by your actual father who is much older than a couple young boys. It's incredibly scary and when you're that young it's really hard for the fact to register that your father really doesn't care about you. He was probably too confused and scared to even think about crossing his already horrific family when they have already been this abusive, and I'm sure he didn't think they were going to kill him. This is incredibly tragic
Btw the death penalty costs more than life imprisonment. Just an FYI seeing as you obviously care about the allocation of those tax dollars. The only way around that would be to strip people of a fair appellate process, which I'm sure we can all agree is a bad idea.
How can the death penalty cost more than life imprisonment? *off to google*
It just seems so counterintuitive. The death penalty might cost what...$1k? Food, electricity, guards, etc have to cost more than that over a person's lifetime.
On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote: You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake. No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough.
If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever.
On August 30 2011 03:03 ensign_lee wrote: How can the death penalty cost more than life imprisonment? *off to google*
It just seems so counterintuitive. The death penalty might cost what...$1k? Food, electricity, guards, etc have to cost more than that over a person's lifetime.
It's the court costs that makes it so expensive, if they killed an innocent person there would be an incredible amount of backlash.
I just wanted to say that as a father, I am disgusted and outraged that this happened. It breaks my heart to think that this poor child was put through this.
On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote: You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake. No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough.
If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever.
No, you see thats completely wrong.
Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ?
In england until 40 years ago you could get caned to blood in school for insulting the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his trousers stuck to his butt because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12).
That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really.
Edit: btw, this story really sickens me, and i condemn the act completely, but i'm just saying you need to stay human in these situations. RIP to the little dude, really.
On August 30 2011 03:03 ensign_lee wrote: How can the death penalty cost more than life imprisonment? *off to google*
It just seems so counterintuitive. The death penalty might cost what...$1k? Food, electricity, guards, etc have to cost more than that over a person's lifetime.
It takes decades to actually execute someone because even if found to be guilty, they can appeal a million times. It's not like someone gets convicted of the death penalty and dies within the year. It's usually like 20+ years, which is already a life sentence. In that time, all the court fees, etc. end up costing the gov't more than if they just imprisoned the person. It's a measure to counteract accidentally convicting innocent people.
I actually believe Texas is an exception though to the rule (and the only exception) where it's cheaper to execute someone since they do it so friggin' fast.
On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote: You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake. No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough.
If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever.
No, you see thats completely wrong.
Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ?
In england until 40 years ago you could get lashed to blood in school for insulted the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his shirt stuck to his back because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12).
That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really.
Any competent human being knows you die without water and no loving parent would put their child through this. If they actually cared about their child, they wouldn't of tortured him. I don't think they care, sorry we disagree.
On August 29 2011 22:50 Seldentar wrote: I don't see the point of threads like these. Most of us know there's an ugly side of the world, and it doesn't help anyone to be reminded everyday of negative things. It would be much more productive to post happy/beautiful news instead because that can only lead to a better, happier day for everyone.
The world isn't sugar and gumdrops cupcake. We are informed of these things so that they are not repeated and to learn.
It wouldn't be productive, it would be blatantly ignoring the world at large in an attempt to pacify one's self. That's not only insane, it's hideously irresponsible.
On August 29 2011 22:50 Seldentar wrote: I don't see the point of threads like these. Most of us know there's an ugly side of the world, and it doesn't help anyone to be reminded everyday of negative things. It would be much more productive to post happy/beautiful news instead because that can only lead to a better, happier day for everyone.
The world isn't sugar and gumdrops cupcake. We are informed of these things so that they are not repeated and to learn.
It wouldn't be productive, it would be blatantly ignoring the world at large in an attempt to pacify one's self. That's not only insane, it's hideously irresponsible.
This is absolutely horrible. These people should be chained up outside in the sun with water just out of reach and left to die the same way. Disgusting!
I'd remove all other of their kids from their care, ban them from all adoptions services, and finally sterilize them both. Let them know what they are not worthy of ever becoming parents again.
Im shocked, I wonder how the adults would feel if they were deprived of water for 5 days... also, this is torture, not murder. Torture (to death)is usually a bigger offense than murder.
On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote: You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake. No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough.
If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever.
No, you see thats completely wrong.
Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ?
In england until 40 years ago you could get caned to blood in school for insulting the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his trousers stuck to his butt because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12).
That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really.
Edit: btw, this story really sickens me, and i condemn the act completely, but i'm just saying you need to stay human in these situations. RIP to the little dude, really.
How the fuck are you going to defend the actions which resulted in the death of a 10 year old boy? Their stupidity makes murder seem a little less fucked up for you?
In what world is punishing a child by dehydration accepted? (From a civilized society's point of view)
How dare YOU judge and assume such arrogant things after the death of a helpless 10 year old child, that his dad and his step mom actually CARED for him, so much that they dehydrated him for FIVE FUCKING DAYS?!
I love your optimistic view on life, I really do... But I honestly don't think this is the place for it.
"It should never have happened," said Krista Bishop, mother of the twins.
I cannot imagine how the mother reacted when they informed her... I mean.. really.
I'd imagine along the lines of turning herself in for a double homicide.
Either way one of those stories that really makes you hate people that aren't you. I'd be pushing for the death penalty but they'll probably get off with a few years(if that).
On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote: You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake. No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough.
If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever.
No, you see thats completely wrong.
Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ?
In england until 40 years ago you could get caned to blood in school for insulting the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his trousers stuck to his butt because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12).
That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really.
Edit: btw, this story really sickens me, and i condemn the act completely, but i'm just saying you need to stay human in these situations. RIP to the little dude, really.
How the fuck are you going to defend the actions which resulted in the death of a 10 year old boy? Their stupidity makes murder seem a little less fucked up for you?
In what world is punishing a child by dehydration accepted? (From a civilized society's point of view)
How dare YOU judge and assume such arrogant things after the death of a helpless 10 year old child, that his dad and his step mom actually CARED for him, so much that they dehydrated him for FIVE FUCKING DAYS?!
I love your optimistic view on life, I really do... But I honestly don't think this is the place for it.
Its not about whether I'm defending it or not, its whether they actually wanted to kill him and were that cruel, or simply wanted to punish him without realising the potential consequences of their actions. I'm just saying, if someone made their child knee down on a ruler for 3 hours and he lost the use of his legs due to the rupture of ligaments, there would be a global outrage, yet 50 years ago that's precisely the punishment lots of kids got in school, and if you ask most of them they'd tell you it was a good thing because it taught them not to do the same mistake twice, regardless of the potential downside of the punishment.
Of course it was a stupid idea, and the death of their child is tragic to say the least, but seriously calling them torturers and murderers is over the top, I'm 99% sure they never intended for this to happen.
Are them dumb as hell ? yes, no doubt, but they're no less intelligent than a drunk driver who hits a 5 member family and kills all 5, etc.
Also, if my kid drank a 6 pack of coke when I specifically told him not to do so, I'd have no problem preventing him from drinking coke for an entire year, the same way I'd force my kid to smoke and entire pack of cigarettes in 30 minutes if I caught him smoking, it's called getting taught a lesson, although this punishment was completely fucking retarded, it wasn't intentional torture per say I'm sure of that.
I honestly feel like these people just had no fucking clue of what they were doing, that they had no idea how dramatic it is to prevent a child from drinking water.
All in all, we agree that it's really damn stupid, I just think it wasn't intentional, you think it was.
lol... dehydration is not punishment. That is torture, and quite intentional and deliberate torture, might I add. Nor does one not intend to dehydrate a kid for 5 days (which is lethal; in fact, I'm surprised he survived that long). They knew what they were doing. Not to mention there is no possible, imaginable justification for them torturing their son in the first place.
On August 30 2011 08:57 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: lol... dehydration is not punishment. That is torture, and quite intentional and deliberate torture, might I add. Nor does one not intend to dehydrate a kid for 5 days (which is lethal; in fact, I'm surprised he survived that long). They knew what they were doing. Not to mention there is no possible, imaginable justification for them torturing their son in the first place.
I think you just underestimate the stupidity of people, and are posting without thinking about the problem without emotion, honestly.
What angers me more is that this somehow doesn't count as murder. "charged with injury to a child causing serious bodily injury" doesn't exactly cover what essentially amounts to torturing and killing a child. Even though a 1st degree felony is the same level as murder, why don't they get charged with what they did? People like this is why I argue for the death penalty. Now we have to pay for their housing and food for the rest of their miserable lives.
Also: That kid must've been freaking superman to last 5 days without water standing in the sun.
On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote: You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake. No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough.
If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever.
No, you see thats completely wrong.
Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ?
In england until 40 years ago you could get caned to blood in school for insulting the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his trousers stuck to his butt because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12).
That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really.
Edit: btw, this story really sickens me, and i condemn the act completely, but i'm just saying you need to stay human in these situations. RIP to the little dude, really.
How the fuck are you going to defend the actions which resulted in the death of a 10 year old boy? Their stupidity makes murder seem a little less fucked up for you?
In what world is punishing a child by dehydration accepted? (From a civilized society's point of view)
How dare YOU judge and assume such arrogant things after the death of a helpless 10 year old child, that his dad and his step mom actually CARED for him, so much that they dehydrated him for FIVE FUCKING DAYS?!
I love your optimistic view on life, I really do... But I honestly don't think this is the place for it.
Its not about whether I'm defending it or not, its whether they actually wanted to kill him and were that cruel, or simply wanted to punish him without realising the potential consequences of their actions. I'm just saying, if someone made their child knee down on a ruler for 3 hours and he lost the use of his legs due to the rupture of ligaments, there would be a global outrage, yet 50 years ago that's precisely the punishment lots of kids got in school, and if you ask most of them they'd tell you it was a good thing because it taught them not to do the same mistake twice, regardless of the potential downside of the punishment.
Of course it was a stupid idea, and the death of their child is tragic to say the least, but seriously calling them torturers and murderers is over the top, I'm 99% sure they never intended for this to happen.
Are them dumb as hell ? yes, no doubt, but they're no less intelligent than a drunk driver who hits a 5 member family and kills all 5, etc.
Also, if my kid drank a 6 pack of coke when I specifically told him not to do so, I'd have no problem preventing him from drinking coke for an entire year, the same way I'd force my kid to smoke and entire pack of cigarettes in 30 minutes if I caught him smoking, it's called getting taught a lesson, although this punishment was completely fucking retarded, it wasn't intentional torture per say I'm sure of that.
I honestly feel like these people just had no fucking clue of what they were doing, that they had no idea how dramatic it is to prevent a child from drinking water.
All in all, we agree that it's really damn stupid, I just think it wasn't intentional, you think it was.
Im sorry, but there are just too many holes in your defence. There is a massive difference between making someone kneel on a ruler for punishment, and actually depriving someone of a necessity of life for longer than a human can endure. There is absolutely no way they didnt know what was going on. Every single person has felt what its like to be thirsty, and thats after maybe a day without water. Extending it to 5 days while forcing the child to stand in the sun is beyond incompetence or stupidty, its downright torture. You dont need to be smart to know what lack of water does to someone, especially over a 5 day period. Stop justifying your argument when everything you are saying is pure bullshit.
On August 27 2011 09:11 Jaxtyk wrote: 5 days without water? wow.. spank him or scold him, but don't deprive him of the bodies needs.
NOPE.
5 days without water and to be put in front of the FUCKING HOT SUN.
Edit:
"It should never have happened," said Krista Bishop, mother of the twins.
I cannot imagine how the mother reacted when they informed her... I mean.. really.
I'd imagine along the lines of turning herself in for a double homicide.
Either way one of those stories that really makes you hate people that aren't you. I'd be pushing for the death penalty but they'll probably get off with a few years(if that).
Thats wrong, their biological mother was not the one committing the crime. The article says it was their stepmom. He is talking about how their biological mother would feel when she found out what happened while they were staying with their father.
Guys stop suggesting the death penalty. If they get life in prison they suffer until the day they die, rather than just the time until they are put down.
On August 30 2011 08:57 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: lol... dehydration is not punishment. That is torture, and quite intentional and deliberate torture, might I add. Nor does one not intend to dehydrate a kid for 5 days (which is lethal; in fact, I'm surprised he survived that long). They knew what they were doing. Not to mention there is no possible, imaginable justification for them torturing their son in the first place.
I think you just underestimate the stupidity of people, and are posting without thinking about the problem without emotion, honestly.
Nope, I'm incredibly calm right now, as I am with most things, and things far, far worse than this, mind you. You are attempting to justify, at the very least, what is unarguably deliberate torture. Here, they are wrong. One can't consider forced dehydration to be punishment or discipline.
On top of that, you're attempting to justify what is quite more possibly than not, deliberate murder. One of the only ways it could not have been deliberate murder is if those people are impossibly more stupid than was previously thought to be humanly possible. In that regard, yes, I would be underestimating their stupidity.
On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote: You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake. No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough.
If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever.
No, you see thats completely wrong.
Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ?
In england until 40 years ago you could get caned to blood in school for insulting the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his trousers stuck to his butt because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12).
That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really.
Edit: btw, this story really sickens me, and i condemn the act completely, but i'm just saying you need to stay human in these situations. RIP to the little dude, really.
How the fuck are you going to defend the actions which resulted in the death of a 10 year old boy? Their stupidity makes murder seem a little less fucked up for you?
In what world is punishing a child by dehydration accepted? (From a civilized society's point of view)
How dare YOU judge and assume such arrogant things after the death of a helpless 10 year old child, that his dad and his step mom actually CARED for him, so much that they dehydrated him for FIVE FUCKING DAYS?!
I love your optimistic view on life, I really do... But I honestly don't think this is the place for it.
Its not about whether I'm defending it or not, its whether they actually wanted to kill him and were that cruel, or simply wanted to punish him without realising the potential consequences of their actions. I'm just saying, if someone made their child knee down on a ruler for 3 hours and he lost the use of his legs due to the rupture of ligaments, there would be a global outrage, yet 50 years ago that's precisely the punishment lots of kids got in school, and if you ask most of them they'd tell you it was a good thing because it taught them not to do the same mistake twice, regardless of the potential downside of the punishment.
Of course it was a stupid idea, and the death of their child is tragic to say the least, but seriously calling them torturers and murderers is over the top, I'm 99% sure they never intended for this to happen.
Are them dumb as hell ? yes, no doubt, but they're no less intelligent than a drunk driver who hits a 5 member family and kills all 5, etc.
Also, if my kid drank a 6 pack of coke when I specifically told him not to do so, I'd have no problem preventing him from drinking coke for an entire year, the same way I'd force my kid to smoke and entire pack of cigarettes in 30 minutes if I caught him smoking, it's called getting taught a lesson, although this punishment was completely fucking retarded, it wasn't intentional torture per say I'm sure of that.
I honestly feel like these people just had no fucking clue of what they were doing, that they had no idea how dramatic it is to prevent a child from drinking water.
All in all, we agree that it's really damn stupid, I just think it wasn't intentional, you think it was.
I almost can't fathom how stupid someone has to be to not understand that water is an essential component of life for a human being. If someone is that stupid or ignorant of the World by their age and they don't have a handicap that prevents them from understanding this then I almost believe they deserve to be sentenced to death for that alone.
You may say that's ridiculous, but I say it's a thousand times more ridiculous to say they didn't understand what they were doing. They sat the boy in the sun, effectively attempting to dehydrate him, then deny him water. People like this deserve to die, they don't deserve to be a drain on tax payer money, the moment they decided that they held in them the power and right to take the life of another human being they no longer deserve the right to live as one. The end.
Also, if your child smoked a cigarette and you made him smoke an entire pack you are a... well, not going to go there. But put it this way, you aren't very intelligent at all, it doesn't teach the child anything else than excess of anything can have terrible side effects. Too much food? You feel awful. Too much drink? You feel awful. Too much sun? You feel awful. Too much caffeine? You feel awful. Maybe one day you'll actually teach your kid something worthwhile, like why smoking is bad and why you have the authority to prevent them from doing that while they live with you. Not about the barbarity of some humans that don't deserve to breath. Also, no one really cares what people did 50 years ago, a thousand years ago slavery was commonplace and people got stoned to death for being gay.
On August 30 2011 01:59 Nqsty wrote: You guys are so narrow minded its insane, CLEARLY they didn't want to kill the kid, they were just dumb enough to do it by mistake. No they shouldn't be hung, or suffer the same treatment, they should just rot in jail for a while, it's over for them anyway, their second kid won't ever forgive them, they've just lost all their friends and their entire lives, oh, and not to mention their TEN YEAR OLD SON. I think they'll suffer enough.
If they cared about their ten year old child, they wouldn't of let him go without water for so long. They deserve to rot in jail forever.
No, you see thats completely wrong.
Maybe thats how their parents brought them up, and they survived ? Maybe its something that happened a lot back in the days ?
In england until 40 years ago you could get caned to blood in school for insulting the head master of your school, I have pictures of my uncle with his trousers stuck to his butt because of the blood, because he spat on his teachers desk (don't ask me why he did it, he was 12).
That was common punishement back then, and depriving the child from water could very well be a common one in their family, this one just went terribly wrong because they're stupid. But you're in absolutely no position to judge or assume such arrogant things, trust me they are in the depths of psychological hell because of what they did, do they deserve it ? fuck yes, but saying they don't care or deserve to die is just wrong, really.
Edit: btw, this story really sickens me, and i condemn the act completely, but i'm just saying you need to stay human in these situations. RIP to the little dude, really.
How the fuck are you going to defend the actions which resulted in the death of a 10 year old boy? Their stupidity makes murder seem a little less fucked up for you?
In what world is punishing a child by dehydration accepted? (From a civilized society's point of view)
How dare YOU judge and assume such arrogant things after the death of a helpless 10 year old child, that his dad and his step mom actually CARED for him, so much that they dehydrated him for FIVE FUCKING DAYS?!
I love your optimistic view on life, I really do... But I honestly don't think this is the place for it.
Its not about whether I'm defending it or not, its whether they actually wanted to kill him and were that cruel, or simply wanted to punish him without realising the potential consequences of their actions. I'm just saying, if someone made their child knee down on a ruler for 3 hours and he lost the use of his legs due to the rupture of ligaments, there would be a global outrage, yet 50 years ago that's precisely the punishment lots of kids got in school, and if you ask most of them they'd tell you it was a good thing because it taught them not to do the same mistake twice, regardless of the potential downside of the punishment.
Of course it was a stupid idea, and the death of their child is tragic to say the least, but seriously calling them torturers and murderers is over the top, I'm 99% sure they never intended for this to happen.
Are them dumb as hell ? yes, no doubt, but they're no less intelligent than a drunk driver who hits a 5 member family and kills all 5, etc.
Also, if my kid drank a 6 pack of coke when I specifically told him not to do so, I'd have no problem preventing him from drinking coke for an entire year, the same way I'd force my kid to smoke and entire pack of cigarettes in 30 minutes if I caught him smoking, it's called getting taught a lesson, although this punishment was completely fucking retarded, it wasn't intentional torture per say I'm sure of that.
I honestly feel like these people just had no fucking clue of what they were doing, that they had no idea how dramatic it is to prevent a child from drinking water.
All in all, we agree that it's really damn stupid, I just think it wasn't intentional, you think it was.
I almost can't fathom how stupid someone has to be to not understand that water is an essential component of life for a human being. If someone is that stupid or ignorant of the World by their age and they don't have a handicap that prevents them from understanding this then I almost believe they deserve to be sentenced to death for that alone.
You may say that's ridiculous, but I say it's a thousand times more ridiculous to say they didn't understand what they were doing. They sat the boy in the sun, effectively attempting to dehydrate him, then deny him water. People like this deserve to die, they don't deserve to be a drain on tax payer money, the moment they decided that they held in them the power and right to take the life of another human being they no longer deserve the right to live as one. The end.
Also, if your child smoked a cigarette and you made him smoke an entire pack you are a... well, not going to go there. But put it this way, you aren't very intelligent at all, it doesn't teach the child anything else than excess of anything can have terrible side effects. To much food? You feel awful. To much drink? You feel awful. To much sun? You feel awful. To much caffeine? You feel awful. Maybe one day you'll actually teach your kid something worthwhile, like why smoking is bad and why you have the authority to prevent them from doing that while they live with you. Not about the barbarity of some humans that don't deserve to breath. Also, no one really cares what people did 50 years ago, a thousand years ago slavery was commonplace and people got stoned to death for being gay.
I wouldn't put it as blunt as you but I definitely agree, if they have
a) The stupidity b) The blindness c) The intent
to do this, well, I'll put it this way, I wouldn't want my offspring to mate with theirs. Removal from society by whatever means for the rest of their and/or my life is all I see as both a logical and emotional response to the situation. And I never really cared for political responses to many situations anyway
On August 27 2011 14:05 CryingCow wrote: does the death penalty still exist in texas?
Fuck yeah it does. I don't mean to take it lightly. I was born and raised in Texas and still live there today and I absolutely agree with the death penalty. Some people can't change, some people are absolute monsters. It doesn't matter to me if they have a mental deformity that causes them to act the way they do or if they're just genuinely evil. Some people need to be removed from this planet. They're not going to change, they are fucked up in the head.
I understand that anyone could be subject to a mental deformity that causes them to behave in ways that go against our most deepest beliefs as a society. That's life. It sucks, it may seem unfair, but that's how it is. People need to be removed.
If I was a sadistic monster I would want to be removed from this planet as well.
If anyone has a problem with that feel free to take it up with god, mother earth or whoever the fuck you feel is responsible, but it isn't me. I didn't create the monsters, but I will see to their destruction.
Do you know anything about the death penalty?
Who are you to say that killing is wrong if you then go and kill someone? That is something known as hypocrisy. You sound like a vigilante (which is not a compliment) who has serious problems.
Plus, morals aside (which I believe is the important reason why the death penalty is so wrong, but if you disagree then this might make you think otherwise), here's some interesting facts: http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty Did you know that the death penalty actually costs more then imprisoning a person for life? I remember when I heard that I was pretty amazed.
Also, you made a distinction, so I'm just wondering what other people think, are there people who are just "evil" but don't have something messed up in their head?
EDIT:
On August 27 2011 23:30 Fenrax wrote: Infuriating indeed.
How is that only "injury to a child"? This is murder by any means. Dehydrating someone for so long has the same expected result as shooting a bullet in his head. Serious injury guaranteed and 99% death. And malice can't be denied either.
I hope they change the charge to "murder". I am also glad that this happened in texas because anything but the chair would be too good for them.
Read what you just wrote. Life is too good for them? Who are you to make that distinction. They deserved to be locked away forever without even a chance at seeing sunlight, but who made you god. Who gave you the power to decide who lives and dies. That is pure hypocrisy.
You can make a hypocrisy argument for every kind of punishment, then.
Maybe I'm crazy, but there is a serious difference from locking a person up and from taking away their life. Is it just me or does everyone deserve a right to life at the very least, and if you're going to
What reason can you possibly have for killing another human being? It costs more in most cases, any form of killing is an atrocity that should be avoided at all costs, and on top of all that, it's irreversible. Give me one good reason for capital punishment, I'd love to hear it. There is nothing better about it as opposed to the alternative; even if you're alright with it morally, it isn't even better financially.
I don't understand it personally, I feel like it's a way of the past that needs to be abolished. If you kill somebody, there is no return, and let's be honest, America's legal system (while I support it) is not 100% accurate. If you can't guarantee accuracy then there shouldn't be a punishment as definitive and unforgiving as capital punishment.
Since 1973 approximately 6,000 people have been sentenced to death in the United States. The report noted that the 69 who have been released from death row during that period represent a little more than 1 out of every 100 prisoners sentenced to death. That is a hideous error rate for so horrible a punishment.
If 1 out of every 100 people sentenced to death are found innocent BEFORE their execution, I bet there are cases where people are executed despite being innocent. If people who are innocent are being killed, then you have a serious problem.
I'm all for punishing these people, but the death penalty (in my opinion) is wrong, and I personally have never heard a good argument for it. I'd be delighted to hear one.
i dont think this thread is about pro/con death penalty, so do consider taking the political/moral debate somewhere else.
pretty horrifying case of stupidity at the least.. If they didn't blatantly plan to kill the child this would be a extreme case of uneducated people thinking that keeping the kid from drinking stops the bedweting and acts as a punishment
I only brought it up in the first place since others were taking the discussion that way by saying statements saying that the parents deserve to die. 99 years in prison seems like a much better way to punish people in my opinion, and I hope that those parents spend every second of it in jail.
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