EPTYou say fungal should hit more than 1 templar at a time, but in order to do so, you need to get in range of feedback.
There is a logic gap there...
That's all I was pointing out.
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
You say fungal should hit more than 1 templar at a time, but in order to do so, you need to get in range of feedback. There is a logic gap there... That's all I was pointing out. | ||
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chrisgreg
Canada61 Posts
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RobCorso
United States111 Posts
On September 19 2011 03:56 Jermstuddog wrote: @Zuxo You say fungal should hit more than 1 templar at a time, but in order to do so, you need to get in range of feedback. There is a logic gap there... That's all I was pointing out. If you're retard protoss and clump them in a ball, it can hit 3-4 (hts cover the distance of about 1-2 range, and they can be on the outer rim of fungal's range. You will probably hit at least 2 with one fungal, if not, there will be units directly around the hts that you can fungal. Makes it more cost effective. OT: happy about eh neural buff, not targeting massive units made no sense to me. Destiny should switch back to zerg now :D | ||
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On September 19 2011 02:45 Zuxo wrote: You are implying throughout your post that stalkers have no cooldown on blink, that they have 14 vision range and that I can snipe all your infestors with blinkstalkers before they die. I am having a hard time understanding if you are even trying to have a rational discussion. I have a hard time understanding, that you really stand to that "FG rangeadvantage over Feedback"-stuff, and a hard time understanding, that you don't get that I don't think blink stalkers counter infestors, but templars do... Maybe Im repeating myself but: (just toying around with YOUR thinking...) (just toying around with YOUR thinking...) (just toying around with YOUR thinking...) and by the way: if you think range 11 (LOL) fungal counters templar, I guess range 11 (LOL) storm counters infestors... | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 19 2011 04:22 Big J wrote: I have a hard time understanding, that you really stand to that "FG rangeadvantage over Feedback"-stuff, and a hard time understanding, that you don't get that I don't think blink stalkers counter infestors, but templars do... Maybe Im repeating myself but: (just toying around with YOUR thinking...) (just toying around with YOUR thinking...) (just toying around with YOUR thinking...) and by the way: if you think range 11 (LOL) fungal counters templar, I guess range 11 (LOL) storm counters infestors... HTs can counter infestors if you can get in range, but they are slow as dirt. They go the exact same speed as a Thor. Thats right, the Thor, the unit that can't escape anything. It is one of the huge limiting factors of the unit. It is almost impossible to prevent fungals on your army with feedback alone, without exposing them any number of dangers. The range fungal has little to do with why HTs are not the perfect counter to infestors. They help, but you cannot rely on FB to deal with them. And don't even go into offensively blinking. That is the least cost efficient way to deal with infestors. | ||
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entrust
Poland196 Posts
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tarath
United States377 Posts
I don't really see why the templar needs to be so much slower than other casters. | ||
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
It seems like just making templar move speed the same as ghost and infestor move speed would solve a lot of these caster issues without actually nerfing neural or emp. My though exactly. Buffing HT speed would be much more logical | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
On September 19 2011 07:00 Protosnake wrote: My though exactly. Buffing HT speed would be much more logical well what can be said.. both ghost and infestor have research for +25 energy and templars don't both infestor and ghost have bigger range than ht both infestor and ghost are faster than ht both infestor and ghost have more hp than ht and I don't see any logic in ht being slower than the other 2 casters, not at all, since it is the unit with the least hp | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On September 19 2011 07:06 Joseph123 wrote: well what can be said.. both ghost and infestor have research for +25 energy and templars don't both infestor and ghost have bigger range than ht both infestor and ghost are faster than ht both infestor and ghost have more hp than ht and I don't see any logic in ht being slower than the other 2 casters, not at all, since it is the unit with the least hp Not to mention that HT arguably has the weakest spells. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On September 19 2011 07:00 Protosnake wrote: My though exactly. Buffing HT speed would be much more logical Shouldn't be needed. You should ferry your Hts in a Prism against Terran to protect them against EMP. I, as a Protoss, would be disappointed if they would buff Templar movespeed. There's no need for that imo. It adds a bit of additional difficulty in using a strong caster. That's something that should be promoted, making strong units difficult to use / squishy. For instance Ghosts are nearly unkillable through being psionic, have moderate movespeed, a cloaking ability, and 2 high range high damage abilities and an energy upgrade. That's wrong design / unit balancing. Strong units should have downsides as well. Ghost and Infestors currently lack them. So you shouldn't really kill the deficit of a fine unit to make them easy to use as well. Make the others harder to use. | ||
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
Shouldn't be needed. You should ferry your Hts in a Prism against Terran to protect them against EMP. I'm zerg actually, and think buffing HT speed would be much more beneficial to the game than doing an uncalled nerf to NP7 Infestor are already squishy and shut down by feedback, NP is shut down by proper micro, fungal is nerfed in the next patch Ghost are another story though | ||
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eourcs
United States459 Posts
On September 19 2011 07:06 Joseph123 wrote: well what can be said.. both ghost and infestor have research for +25 energy and templars don't both infestor and ghost have bigger range than ht both infestor and ghost are faster than ht both infestor and ghost have more hp than ht and I don't see any logic in ht being slower than the other 2 casters, not at all, since it is the unit with the least hp My ghosts can't morph into fucking super power balls of energy that deal and tank a shitton of damage. stop. comparing. casters. directly. | ||
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pluvos
39 Posts
On September 19 2011 07:11 eourcs wrote: My ghosts can't morph into fucking super power balls of energy that deal and tank a shitton of damage. stop. comparing. casters. directly. they dont have to morph becuase they already tank a decent amount (no specific armor type) and can deal damage with both snipe and autoattack. and not comparing units even if they are apple and oranges is retarded, you still have to balance them out even if they dont serve the exact same purpose. | ||
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RedFoxOne
Canada39 Posts
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
Can someone explain to me what "from 30% damage vs armored to 40 vs armored means"? Do armored units now take net damage of 40? Or was it a typo and armored units now take 40% damage? This is no longer in % Fungal deal 30 damage Armored unit take 40 damage | ||
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Pred8oar
Germany281 Posts
On September 19 2011 07:19 pluvos wrote: they dont have to morph becuase they already tank a decent amount (no specific armor type) and can deal damage with both snipe and autoattack. and not comparing units even if they are apple and oranges is retarded, you still have to balance them out even if they dont serve the exact same purpose. But high templar can be deployed wherever you got a pylon and that in a matter of seconds because you first build a unit and then the wg cooldown kicks in and anyways, dont compare casters directly thats not hte way it works unlesss they all fullfill the same purpose, which they obviously dont  | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On September 19 2011 07:11 eourcs wrote: My ghosts can't morph into fucking super power balls of energy that deal and tank a shitton of damage. stop. comparing. casters. directly. Yeah, they just happen to completely counter those super power balls of energy. Ghosts are far better than HT, don't kid yourself. Look at how many protoss outright die to early game ghost pushes like MMA v MC even though MC spread every single unit. | ||
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