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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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PPTouch
99 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:48 Belial88 wrote: You never see mass infestor, you see them as support, just 10-12 of them. jeez guys its only 10-12 infestors with another 4 running around burrowed throwing up mass IT raping expos comeon 1000-1300 mineral and 1500-1800 gas isnt THAT much | ||
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Raid
United States398 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:29 Lomak wrote: Yea it HAS been nerfed since launch and for good reason , but they are never overly severe nerfs. Remember when infested terran was TAKEN OUT of the game and they gave infestors frenzy???? Those are the kind of changes they do to zerg. *5 seconds added to bunker build time* are the kind of changes they give to terran, and yea it's bullshit. I dunno dude the reaper was nerfed to crap pretty badly. Pretty much a unit that has no real purpose anymore except for maybe tvt scouting. It had that extra 5 second thing, the depot before rax, the speed on factory... Medivacs use to be much faster as well. Its not just timing windows blizzard has been nerfing. I don't blame you bunker changes were in almost every patch but probably 1 if thats what you mean by 5 second changes. I don't see what you want to nerf terran more I'm fine if they revert the price from 200/100 ghost back to 150/150 though its not that big a deal imo. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:49 Havefa1th wrote: Brood Lords are the THE most expensive unit to tech to. With roaches, hydras, corruptors and tech, what makes you think that Zerg players automatically have a greater spire and the necessary resources to make brood lords? Using BLs to excuse corruptors lack of versatility is poor shit. Vikings are better than Corruptors in EVERY single way. I agree, nerf vikings. | ||
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Lomak
United States311 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:11 PPTouch wrote: jeez guys its only 10-12 infestors with another 4 running around burrowed throwing up mass IT raping expos comeon 1000-1300 mineral and 1500-1800 gas isnt THAT much If your opponent is spending 1800 gas on a specific unit + more on its upgrades (burrow , pathogen glands, NP) and you don't see where those resources are going then why is it a problem when you lose. Part of the game is identifying what your opponent is doing and responding to it. Do we play a game where 1 race can spend thousands of resources on a specific unit comp and the opponent can just ignore that and 'do their own thing'? There SHOULD be a consequence to ignoring it. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
It's way too good to be that cheap IMO, especially since it forces a 200/200 Charge upgrade to counter it. | ||
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Lomak
United States311 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:16 Raid wrote: I dunno dude the reaper was nerfed to crap pretty badly. Pretty much a unit that has no real purpose anymore except for maybe tvt scouting. It had that extra 5 second thing, the depot before rax, the speed on factory... Medivacs use to be much faster as well. Its not just timing windows blizzard has been nerfing. I don't blame you bunker changes were in almost every patch but probably 1 if thats what you mean by 5 second changes. I don't see what you want to nerf terran more I'm fine if they revert the price from 200/100 ghost back to 150/150 though its not that big a deal imo. The reaper was nerfed because blizzard realize there was absolutely nothing zerg units could do to defend against them. Reapers were kiting and killing roaches and queens for fucks sakes, of course that should change. We don't see anything near that sort of domination with infestors on the professional level. For the record I couldn't really care if they nerf terran / toss. What I really want from blizzard is a good hard look at all the zerg units / structures to evaluate just how shitty they are. Hydra, Nydus (expensive version of a pylon). Our upgrades, Overlord speed, our scouting capabilities. Blizzard really needs a good hard look at zerg because the race IMO is just pathetic. If only because of how stagnant and predictable it is. There is no versatility in a race that has so few units, and even fewer units that are worth a shit. | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:56 Bashion wrote: I agree with you. I havent seen any pro player blaming NP as the main reason why infestors are too good. FWIW nearly every good NA toss I talk to complains about NP being imba. I'm not entirely sure that PvZ or PvT are imbalanced, but they definitely feel difficult currently, and would require revolutionary insight to be balanced. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
zvp was complete shit when all you could do was roach/hydra/corrupter. they're dumbing down matchups and gameplay before races can even begin to think about ways to counter/approach new builds. BW had ridiculously OP shit and it was wonderful because all the races were broken to a degree it lead to insane mechanics and micro. It's funny players like HuK and Alicia don't die to this (see alicia's games last night vs dimaga). Everyone cries they want the game to be more micro/mechanically and skillful but then cry and the exact gameplay mechanics that make it that way because its 'too hard to deal with.' this dumbed down retard direction sc2 is going and this is the exact reason I lose interest every week. It's not even about zerg being nerfed, it's why they nerf and what they nerf. Come the fuck on if you're losing to your collossi being stolen you aren't controlling your army well, didn't make an appropriate composition or were outplayed. | ||
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Loodah
335 Posts
On September 09 2011 16:51 zul wrote: Blizzard starts to sing a song: "they see me trolling, they`re hatin ..." If neural stays this way, I would like to hear how zerg is supposed to take a fight vs. mass collosus(4 or more), or a terran mech army with thors in the front. I still dont know where the problem with infestor in general is. He still has energy and therefore can be feedbacked and EMPed. Corruptors... just like they used to and their win percentage was still balanced against toss..... | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
Jeez guys, play the freaking game instead of theorycrafting how ¨I won´t be able to do anything against X or Y¨ | ||
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bendez
Canada283 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:27 crms wrote: i cant believe they are forcing gameplay down the tubes and setting back the meta game 6 months. I guess they really just want people to build an army and A move into each other, timing, positioning, terrain be damned just fight! zvp was complete shit when all you could do was roach/hydra/corrupter. they're dumbing down matchups and gameplay before races can even begin to think about ways to counter/approach new builds. BW had ridiculously OP shit and it was wonderful because all the races were broken to a degree it lead to insane mechanics and micro. It's funny players like HuK and Alicia don't die to this (see alicia's games last night vs dimaga). Everyone cries they want the game to be more micro/mechanically and skillful but then cry and the exact gameplay mechanics that make it that way because its 'too hard to deal with.' this dumbed down retard direction sc2 is going and this is the exact reason I lose interest every week. It's not even about zerg being nerfed, it's why they nerf and what they nerf. Come the fuck on if you're losing to your collossi being stolen you aren't controlling your army well, didn't make an appropriate composition or were outplayed. Couldn't agree more with you. Well said. | ||
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Loodah
335 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:27 crms wrote: i cant believe they are forcing gameplay down the tubes and setting back the meta game 6 months. I guess they really just want people to build an army and A move into each other, timing, positioning, terrain be damned just fight! zvp was complete shit when all you could do was roach/hydra/corrupter. they're dumbing down matchups and gameplay before races can even begin to think about ways to counter/approach new builds. BW had ridiculously OP shit and it was wonderful because all the races were broken to a degree it lead to insane mechanics and micro. It's funny players like HuK and Alicia don't die to this (see alicia's games last night vs dimaga). Everyone cries they want the game to be more micro/mechanically and skillful but then cry and the exact gameplay mechanics that make it that way because its 'too hard to deal with.' this dumbed down retard direction sc2 is going and this is the exact reason I lose interest every week. It's not even about zerg being nerfed, it's why they nerf and what they nerf. Come the fuck on if you're losing to your collossi being stolen you aren't controlling your army well, didn't make an appropriate composition or were outplayed. This argument is idiotic. "If you're losing as protoss to NP then you're doing something wrong" -- what about "If you're losing as zerg to colossus then you're doing something wrong" - You have corruptors... that also turn into the highest dps units in the game basically | ||
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Lomak
United States311 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:31 Loodah wrote: This argument is idiotic. "If you're losing as protoss to NP then you're doing something wrong" -- what about "If you're losing as zerg to colossus then you're doing something wrong" - You have corruptors... that also turn into the highest dps units in the game basically I didnt realize I could turn my corrupters into marines. They might be worth making if that was the case. | ||
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CaptainHaz
United States240 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:21 iSTime wrote: FWIW nearly every good NA toss I talk to complains about NP being imba. I'm not entirely sure that PvZ or PvT are imbalanced, but they definitely feel difficult currently, and would require revolutionary insight to be balanced. I'm not sure, pvz and pvt might feel difficult, but that doesn't necessarily mean they need a revolutionary look. Maybe a few more allins. >.> | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:10 PPTouch wrote: jeez guys its only 10-12 infestors with another 4 running around burrowed throwing up mass IT raping expos comeon 1000-1300 mineral and 1500-1800 gas isnt THAT much It's not uncommon to see that many stalkers or marines, other very versatile units. | ||
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Treble557
United States221 Posts
jeez guys its only 10-12 infestors with another 4 running around burrowed throwing up mass IT raping expos comeon 1000-1300 mineral and 1500-1800 gas isnt THAT much I'd bet money on the fact that if toss spent that much in HT's for their deathballs VS terran and spread the HT's out, then the terran wouldn't have enough ghosts to stop them since the terran wouldn't know how HT heavy they're really going. You might have less fluffer units, but you'll have enough non-stop psy storms to just roll shit. | ||
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twitch772
United States17 Posts
removed zerg from sc2. | ||
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
With very, very few valid targets left after this patch, I doubt it'll be seen in even one one hundredth of the games we were starting to see it in recently. I wanna give it a hug because it's just so lonely  | ||
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hooberschmit
Canada101 Posts
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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