Protoss in GSL August - Page 24

On August 12 2011 07:19 MonkSEA wrote:


Sorry but you're pretty arrogant. I think against Z you can easily do carriers from a forge fast because generally you'll already have a stargate. Dunno man. Carriers in numbers are pretty devastating.

On August 12 2011 05:35 ZenithM wrote:


What's so special is that DRG 6pooled in game 2 and JYP defended it and DRG cheesed the gold base on metalopolis and didn't scout at all JYP's tech.

J/k, JYP played well in all 3 games (but that's really what happened though, not sure if DRG needed to do that)

On August 12 2011 06:32 Zane wrote:

You got to understand that for terran, securing an expansion is more difficult than for toss/zerg. You don't have forcefields so you would have to make the bunkers before the CC, which would delay the the CC considerably.

On August 12 2011 07:19 MonkSEA wrote:


Sorry but you're pretty arrogant. I think against Z you can easily do carriers from a forge fast because generally you'll already have a stargate. Dunno man. Carriers in numbers are pretty devastating.

On August 12 2011 07:27 aZealot wrote:


Oh, so he just played a good game and won against a Zerg?

On August 12 2011 07:19 MonkSEA wrote:


Sorry but you're pretty arrogant. I think against Z you can easily do carriers from a forge fast because generally you'll already have a stargate. Dunno man. Carriers in numbers are pretty devastating.

On August 12 2011 06:44 HolyArrow wrote:


On some maps, it's not suitable for usage, so there's that. It's being used to a VERY high degree, with literally a 100% success rate since the Up/Downs of the last GSL. You see Yoda vs. Tassadar yesterday? He loses game 1, then proceeds to do two 1-1-1 all-ins in a row to win the series. Tassadar was laughing to himself afterwards, probably because he knows it's ridiculous. I challenge you to name me a GSL match since last season's Up/Downs in which the 1-1-1 all-in was successfully stopped. A single match. Go.

On August 12 2011 07:46 sethr0 wrote:
this thread has turned into a balance debate, I hope this thread gets closed. Yes in this GSL Protoss players are getting dominated (...so far). Just last GSL the Code A finals was a PvP. All this shows is how amazing the sc2 scene is, able to adapt so quickly. Metagame turnaround is so fast, just wait for Protoss players to adapt!

On August 11 2011 17:23 Demonaz wrote:
Protoss are basically where Zerg were two months ago when everyone was complaining that z are too weak and underpowered. Seems that most of the 'abusive' p strats have been figured out and along with the 4-gate nerf its made it harder for the moment. However I'm sure something will be figured out soon, c'mon protoss players, get to work!

On August 12 2011 08:09 HolyArrow wrote:


The problem with people saying that we need to "wait for Protoss players to adapt" is that the 1-1-1 all-in has been around for a long time - first time I saw it was Rain vs. Genius in GSL Open Season 3 - well over half a year ago. I wouldn't be so pessimistic about the ability of Toss players to adapt if the build was something new, but it isn't.

On August 12 2011 08:36 tdt wrote:



It's been around since beta and easily stopped before with 3 gate stargate or 4 gate all ins which is why it diappeared.

Problem now is VR only does 26 to that bunker instead of 41 on the 3 gate stargate. With 4 gate now bunker(s) have 6 rines and tank and it's defensible, where before you'd have no tank by then and less marines in bunker(s).

Troops just don't come fast enough or hit hard enough to punish this tech greed and thus it's back.

On August 12 2011 08:38 statikg wrote:
There are multiple guides in the strategy forums for how to hold this successfully right now, IMO protoss just need to go very heavy zealot/sentry and maybe even pull some probes if they expect to hold it. Why should you be able to hold a 10-15scv push without pulling some of your workers esp when you are on 2 base to 1. Chrono out +1 armor and you will be golden.

On August 12 2011 08:35 Heavenly wrote:
Time for me to go pro and bust out my revolutionary one base carrier + warp prism 4 gate to the world. The revolution protoss has been waiting for, according to most people.

On August 12 2011 08:38 statikg wrote:

All the terran whining about TvP lategame with bio somehow resulted in a thor nerf so watch out, you might just get the carrier nerfed or somthing.

On August 12 2011 07:28 Skyro wrote:


I don't agree with that assessment at all... it takes a while to build up the gas and energy for a sentry force to defend an early expo. They also need a pylon before they can even warp in defensive structures. Zerg can't even make defensive structures until the hatch is complete and spreads creep. Terran on the otherhand can just build bunkers cheaply anytime with no requirements and can eventually salvage those bunkers for 75% of the cost. You could easily make the case it is still easier for Terran to expand even if you couldn't float the CC/OC.

I think disabling CC/OC-floating is a great idea and is very heavily tied into why current 1-base all-ins from Terran is so successful. It's not unstoppable per se, but the margin of error on protoss' side is so small unless you specifically were blind countering it. There is little you can react to since scouting information is sparse early game for protoss. You never want to devolve the early game into a roll of the dice.

PvZ is still very much in flux. Should let the dust settle a bit more.

One change I think would make protoss early game more interesting is evening out the balance of power between pre- and post-warpgate tech armies by reducing zealot/stalker buildtime by 5 secs but leaving their warp-in times unchanged (similar to what they did w/ sentries recently). It opens more aggressive options by protoss early on and will hopefully make it less rigid, while leaving the mid- to long- game completely unchanged.