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bmw_mat
Brazil24 Posts
What's the real counter of Archon? I did go see in blizzard site the page of protoss's units and there I saw that Archon is strong against just Muta and weak against Ultra / Immortal / Marauder. Here it's little normal, but I did other question: If Archon is strong just muta, why toss makes Archon? I felt little deceived about blizzard, so I did go see the Liquidpedia and there was the same thing. But in Game I don't feel that Archon is just Strong against muta. What you think? | ||
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TW_Covenant
Denmark104 Posts
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beachbeachy
United States509 Posts
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awwnuts07
United States621 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
Units with Bonus Damage Against Psionic None. Protoss makes archons 'cause they have good DPS with AoE, they "recycle" HT in a fight, and they have no counter. | ||
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PsychedeliaNOR
Norway44 Posts
Many people use it as a meat shield, to tank damage, negate maurader slow and crush forcefields. | ||
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Randomaccount#128098
United States411 Posts
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Fancy.
Germany58 Posts
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Trowabarton756
United States870 Posts
On July 01 2011 08:08 beachbeachy wrote: You're thinking too black and white man. But ghosts are the strongest counter to archons, cost for cost. On July 01 2011 08:07 TW_Covenant wrote: ghosts.. ....apparently you guys really suck at reading the damn OP @OP: THe reason why archons suck against mutas is because just like BW once zergs learned how to muta micro they can dance against archons all day long. Archons are more a big beefy unit that is more for banelings/mass zergling | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
As terran EMP + almost anything is great, as zerg pure roaches crushes archons. | ||
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TW_Covenant
Denmark104 Posts
On July 01 2011 08:10 Trowabarton756 wrote: ....apparently you guys really suck at reading the damn OP @OP: THe reason why archons suck against mutas is because just like BW once zergs learned how to muta micro they can dance against archons all day long. Archons are more a big beefy unit that is more for banelings/mass zergling well the title is incredibly misleading then. | ||
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bmw_mat
Brazil24 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
But roaches are very cost effective against archons, and storm isn't as powerful against roaches as other units. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Oh yeah, voidrays, except pvp usually doesn't go that long  | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
I don't think they do especially well vs mutas, or even that that's something blizzard were intending. Maybe the information is outdated? Archons hard countered mutas in broodwar. I think strategies focused around the archon primarily are bad in all circumstances though. | ||
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greenelve
Germany1392 Posts
And the counter to Archons are EMP cause their have lots of shield- and few hitpoints. the normal marauder/marine concusiveshell micro should work really good too...and dont forget (cloaked) Banshees :p Except EMP, there is no "real hardcounter like Viking counter Collosus with terrible terrible damage with each hit"..afaik.. | ||
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IoF
Australia27 Posts
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DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
 Also banshees. @down: zerglings actually do pretty well vs archons if they get surround. Same with Zealots | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
Zerglings, zealots, high templar, vikings, reaper, hellion, phoenix, corrupter. Everything else works just fine. Nothing is that amazing against it and none of these are bad against it. oh ya banelings is another non counter | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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GhostFall
United States830 Posts
making combat units. Really. thats the counter. | ||
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aphorism
United States226 Posts
 In all seriousness, though, the only time i've seen archons not used as a way to recycle high templar is in (I believe the Inca v. Nestea in GSL May finals) a gateway-unit + DT/archon rush, and I vaguely remember there being a strategy article about a Chargelot-Immortal-Archon in PvP. Also, watching a protoss sneak 2 DTs into a ball of banelings and morph them into an archon is really cool. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On July 01 2011 08:11 godemperor wrote: Archons are terrible, even zergling can beat them pretty well. As terran EMP + almost anything is great, as zerg pure roaches crushes archons. The in thing for top Korean tosses in PvT is chargelot/blink/archon/sentry adding HT when possible. So not terrible! | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
They have no counter because everything is good against them. With the smartcasting of SC2, the focus is purely on the templar, whereas the Archon is about as useful as the burrow skill for infestors, or the cloak for ghosts. | ||
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
On July 01 2011 08:11 godemperor wrote: Archons are terrible, even zergling can beat them pretty well. As terran EMP + almost anything is great, as zerg pure roaches crushes archons. Unforunatly thats 1 or 2 archons in small numbers. Once both sides are maxed the splash damage, tanking ability and huge single target damage makes them rediculously overpowered v Z. Considering i was maxed on roach hydra and the guy had stalker zealot archon and beat my army with his 130 food army doesnt really make sense to me. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On July 01 2011 08:29 Mafs wrote: Unforunatly thats 1 or 2 archons in small numbers. Once both sides are maxed the splash damage, tanking ability and huge single target damage makes them rediculously overpowered v Z. Considering i was maxed on roach hydra and the guy had stalker zealot archon and beat my army with his 130 food army doesnt really make sense to me. League and replay in that case please. It sounds like he was 3-3-3 and you were 0-0. Personally I consider them as big zealots in PvZ. A glorified meatshield basically, that's supposed to keep the enemy away from you stalkers, potential collosi, immortals etc. | ||
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Vod.kaholic
United States1052 Posts
On July 01 2011 08:26 kNyTTyM wrote: Easier to think about what isn't the counter. Zerglings, zealots, high templar, vikings, reaper, hellion, phoenix, corrupter. Everything else works just fine. Nothing is that amazing against it and none of these are bad against it. oh ya banelings is another non counter Essentially this. Thors were a hardcounter before the strike cannon energy change, which makes them kind of a moot point vs archons now because archons could imply HT capability and therefore feedback. Micro and units-that-can-shoot-and-dont-instantly-die-to-archons are the "counters" to archons. | ||
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Rabbitmaster
1357 Posts
Terran: Ghosts/Battle cruisers Zerg: Brood lords/Infestors (Neural parasite) Is what i can think of off the top of my head. But i recommend you don't view units as counters to certain other units. Each unit has a time and place to be useful. | ||
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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Laggy
United States385 Posts
Any who yeah anything that can slow it down remove it's shields or micro away while attacking will normally do well against an Archon. Another way to counter it is by not even letting them get templars to make it just drop him and snipe the building! | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
For Zerg, everything but mutas. Roaches are great and fungal does well as they have low range. | ||
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Makura
United States317 Posts
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On July 01 2011 08:10 Trowabarton756 wrote: ....apparently you guys really suck at reading the damn OP @OP: THe reason why archons suck against mutas is because just like BW once zergs learned how to muta micro they can dance against archons all day long. Archons are more a big beefy unit that is more for banelings/mass zergling You misread it too I guess. He's saying, according to Blizzard and LP Archons are ONLY strong vs. Mutas, and he is saying he disagrees/asking why they say that. That's one part though, the other part is what counters them. | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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gaizka
United States991 Posts
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Ares[Effort]
DEMACIA6550 Posts
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