LRM)Game Retirement Announcement - Page 7

On July 01 2011 01:52 Lightwip wrote:
Considering that Game sells replays, I think I'd rather wait until an Iccup staff member comments before making my judgments on this business. I can't deny that they're known for heavy abuse though.

On July 01 2011 09:20 Waxangel wrote:
Deleted the quotes from the ICCUP staff forums. Don't post them again. Still deciding what to do with this post.

In any legal court, information about a specified party cannot be kept from either side.

On July 01 2011 10:06 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

man u want be lrm)game 2.0 ? stop provoced admins., i really start hate u and ur comments

On July 01 2011 11:01 ammeL wrote:
Whatever happened, happened. Things happen for a reason. iCCUP has their points, Game has his. No one is going to win in this battle, it seems. It seems iCCUP's decision is permanent (since IPBans were made).

This is how I see it:
If Game wanted to charge for replays, which he indicated to the public on March 31st (as he had created a thread back then saying he could charge for replays), I don't see the big deal. Actually, if anything, it's a good thing. He mentioned that the proceeds would be going to the next big tournament. That's a good thing, isn't it? That means it'd be a bigger tournament, draw more attention, and there would be more Brood War activity. All of this would be taking place on iCCUP; thus, the player activity and popularity of iCCUP would rise. This is a good thing for iCCUP and a good thing for the players participating in the tournament (since the prize pool would be bigger). Not to mention, all the hard work and dedication that goes into running such a big tournament - why not let some of the admins/people working hard take a little share. In the end, they are working for the community, and essentially, with the passion and pose that they ran things, I believe they deserved a little something aside from respect and gratitude.

That leads me to the viewpoint of iCCUP.
iCCUP wanted royalty fees since Game was charging for replays and they wanted some share of it, too (I'm not sure if this is exactly what happened since some of those screenshots were unclear). Nonetheless, iCCUP wanted some sort of compensation from ISL. Now, what I have to say about this is that why on earth would iCCUP ever do this? Like I mentioned in the previous paragraph, the "donation" (in a sense), from the purchasing of replays was going to make a bigger and better tournament which, in return, would make a bigger and better iCCUP. iCCUP would have gotten more attention and, I'm sure iCCUP earns money through ads and whatnot; thus, with more player activity, they'd be earning more revenue anyways. And since Game would have been bringing such activity to iCCUP, why would they care? They should've been happy about it. And then, I'm unclear of what took place about Game flaming them and whatnot, but there was no reason to IPBan the guy who did so much, made iCCUP bigger during the brink of death, etc.

It seems that there was greed and corruption amongst the iCCUP staff. Wanting fees for the work of another was not necessary of iCCUP. Not to mention, it's not like Game pulled that on anyone last second saying he'd charge money for replays. He did this early on (about a month ago). Furthermore, it was for the better of the community as a whole. And since iCCUP does host this server and do a lot for the community, I don't see why they would be against this? They should have wanted to join Game and his endeavors and aim to revive a community we once had.

Either way, what's done is done now. There was some sort miscommunication, greed, corruption, etc going on and it seems that the final cuts have been made. The only thing that can be done now is if iCCUP realizes what idiocy they have committed...

All in all - great work, Game. We were friends for a while on B.net for the last few years, played games together, and had some talks. Best of luck; and we all know you were doing this for the community and no other selfish reason. Some people just won't understand and let their power trips get to them. Can't do anything about it, man.

Best wishes, be safe, and hope to see you around.

On July 01 2011 09:03 Eywa- wrote:


I've been keeping up, chatting with the admins, I can give some views on it that were expressed, but I wont give out specific names just for their own protection since if they didn't fear the ban hammer, they'd have already posted(for some of them).



He also expressed that he was displeased that the decisions of one man were put on all their shoulders and it was unfair for the community to treat them as so. (the one person obviously referring to paladin)


Another I was asked not to quote any of his lines, so I will attempt to summarize what he said. He voiced his malcontent related to Paladin making the whole team look bad. He also says that none of the other admins below Paladin have really taken any action that deserves the disrespect that they get, none of them were involved in the decisions. He asks to not be criticized for what he hasn't done. He wants to do positive things for the bw scene and he's not like the stereotype that we paint about admins.


Another said "I really don't care", "even though I am your friend if you keep BMing admins I will kick your ass"


Another said(paraphrased) I can understand where you're coming from, however Game was on good terms with iCCup during ISL1 until he started openly trashing the iCCup team on stream. He stated that this kind of conduct was really unwarranted as iCCup gave him full support for the tournament as they do with all other private events. iCCup did not take away his tournament, Paladin just refused that it be held on iCCup and also offered terms for the tournament to be held there "game not being the leader". He can't speak for the origins of the disputes between iCCup and Game as I am not informed on that but, iCCup rules state that bm against admins is prohibited and in that sense Game broke the law of iCCup therefore deserves a punishment and he should not receive special treatment. When asked about the numerous admins who have broken the bm laws of iCCup, he stated that he could not speak for the other admins and says he assumes they have been dealt with accordingly. He also says when asked if retaliation bm is okay that some people might view warranted bm to be okay as I personally had stated that retaliation bm is still bm and is still against the rules however he does repeat that he can not speak for the rest of the staff.


For any admin who does not want to expose themselves, when asked if you talked to me, simply say "no". Although personally I think it would be a shame to do so being as every caring voice for the community helps.


Edit: I have more from other admins, however, I do not feel like looking back for the proof in case I ever have to pull it out also, I think this proves that the iccup admins really have quite different views from each other.

Many admins do have good intentions, I'd like to point that out...

On July 01 2011 11:28 xarthaz wrote:
They can look up the chat logs you know.. this might result in yet more travesties by the Iccup authorities.

On July 01 2011 07:49 dRaW wrote:


Damn bro, you stealing my lines O,o... But it's sort of the truth, as he had good intentions his methods were not the best. The admins decisions are pretty rash, these guys should have just worked something out.

So who runs LRM now? or is everyone going to just leave the team...?

On July 01 2011 13:40 GGzerG wrote:
I seriously have not seen a thread with this much drama in a long time, Game has done A LOT for the community, but....man no offense or anything, but you are seriously an attention whore, like seriously I thought I was bad, but you take the cake. You will return to brood war too, just wait and see.

I think there is way to much unnecessary drama in this thread, it got totally derailed from you announcing your retirement to the assumptions and hate about iCCup, people are getting way to worked up over this, even posting screen shots.

This is just my opinion, we've actually probably never gotten along , but you were a figurehead of the BW community for some time now and a lot of people appreciate the work you've done. GL in you're future, but seriously take a chill pill.