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Game
3191 Posts
On July 01 2011 00:06 shinyA wrote: Sup Dave~ <- SouL)Z(CutebOy ^_^ I didn't know you still played bw, you should come to SC2 and play for fun ~ =) Heh Cute, I have no intention of playing SC2. That would do two things. A) Tie up more of my time (also learning space in my tiny little head  B) Make me want to run right back to BW. | ||
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AnyOne
Chile547 Posts
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Dansickle
177 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
I really can't view iCCup as evil. It's a functional ladder provided for free even if there is a lot of dumb drama behind the scenes. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
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qosu.tQ
United States32 Posts
<--- Soul)z(Aber SUP | ||
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
It is always unfortunate when someone leaves a shrinking or recently reduced scene. | ||
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LML
Germany1794 Posts
On July 01 2011 01:04 Chef wrote: So am I interpreting this correctly when they are saying 'No ISL if you are going to sell replays' and you are leaving because of this? It really doesn't sound like they're kicking you out in that PM, it sounds like they want you to stop the bullshit. Why are you abandoning an entire project with many people working on it just because they don't want you selling replays? I really can't view iCCup as evil. It's a functional ladder provided for free even if there is a lot of dumb drama behind the scenes. This isn't about it. Check these: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236666 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236263 | ||
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00Zarathustra
Bolivia419 Posts
Man I play 80% of my ladder games on Fish/Brain and I'm only going to go back to play on Iccup for ISL2. So yeah I think Game not only did good stuff for BW, he actually helped ICCUP (even if it wasn't intentional) driving people back to a ladder that is less and less active every day. The ISL2 will get more ladder games played in a month than ICCUP gets in a season. Game's tourneys benefit both the community and ICCUP. ICCUP actions towards Game not only hurts him but they hurt the whole community and themselves. So yeah, Game is BM and trash talks the admins. But instead of taking it like it is just some guy's anger management problems Iccup take it personally and get offended. I mean if you can get offended by some guy you don't know over the internet... and if his flamings can prevent you from doing the work you do for the community you love. Maybe your love is not big enough and you shouldn't have volunteered to work for the community for free. People have written here before that they don't actually like Game but they respect him. That's right they respect him. Why? I'll tell you why: Because when someone flamed Game, when somebody just criticized him in a non-constructive way, maybe he got mad, maybe he didn't, but he kept working for the community he loved. Because that's the way you work when you love something. You just try to ignore the people and the situations that annoys you. So yeah, I'm sorry ICCUP but spending your time and resources just to avoid getting offended and flamed is not professional in any way. The question shouldn't be if the community needs ICCUP. The real question should be: Does ICCUP needs admins that can't have a professional attitude towards "offenses" and criticism? | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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FreezerJumps
Canada653 Posts
On July 01 2011 01:52 Lightwip wrote: Considering that Game sells replays, I think I'd rather wait until an Iccup staff member comments before making my judgments on this business. I can't deny that they're known for heavy abuse though. OP clearly shows that iccup staff are not to comment on this at all, so we pretty much have to form our opinions based on game's word alone. | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
GLuck to you sir. | ||
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YoonHo
Canada1043 Posts
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00Zarathustra
Bolivia419 Posts
On July 01 2011 01:52 Lightwip wrote: Considering that Game sells replays, I think I'd rather wait until an Iccup staff member comments before making my judgments on this business. I can't deny that they're known for heavy abuse though. Well he was going to give 90% of the sales back. I also had my doubts about this at the beginning. It's hard to trust someone that asks for money even if he promises to give it back. But then the ISL grow to 1000$ tourney He got us many 75$-200$ tourneys after ISL. And now he got 1500$ sponsorship for ISL2 So now I think he was been honest about his intentions. He just wanted the community to help itself with 5$. He just presented it in a bad way and this made everyone get suspicious. But he didn't fail to deliver ever since. He could have abandoned his projects when he was denied the support. And now we are here with a 1500$ thx to him. So I think he has proven he had the best intentions with the replay sale already. | ||
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19387 Posts
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XXGeneration
United States625 Posts
Your passion for BW in spite of all the iCCup drama is inspiring. Good luck in your future endeavors. | ||
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sLiMpoweR
United States430 Posts
seriously tho game iv known u for a long time and even tho ur sorta emo, its a pity to see you go ^^ | ||
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JoeKim
United States608 Posts
Well, there's a lot of things I could say and I know there are a lot of things that Game left unsaid, but will attempt to keep this short as possible. I've known LRM)Game before he even heard of LRM. He was around during Mix, 55, Ladder Challenges, Pogi, and practically during the rise as well as the fall of nilla (original SC). He branched out to Brood War before a lot of us alongside Boxerz[Siege] (Skew, Alex) and was quickly recognized as a prominent gamer. Back then, his more popular handle was Vega. For those old schoolers that kinda think you remember him but don't remember his akas, he was sG.Vega, Game.tQ, Game[LighT], MgZ)inG, Excello.Game, MgZ)Game, Odin[fOu], Xion_G.VeGa, Johndoe[ScM] & Game[MnM]. Our history together involved a lot of shit talking, mainly towards each other until Brood War started to "die." Having a common ambition to keep our addiction breathing, we decided to collaborate. With experience came knowledge, thus we piggybacked a lot of ideas from the past with prestigious events (ISL <> TSL), other money tournaments, live event broadcasts, seeking sponsors, community involvement, etc etc etc. Just a shit-ton of projects contributing to a major goal, leaving a jab of a scar on SC2 for the superman punch it has left on BW. ISL was way more successful than I ever expected. It was not as well-fortified as TSL since ISL did not have 20+ people working together, as well as getting paid, however we worked with what we had and we were fueled off pure passion. Once ISL was over, gamers were not satisfied. They craved the flavor that was left in their mouths. That yearning was slowly quenched but never fully appeased. ISL2 was necessary and boy, it was going to be heaps better than the first. Unlike movie sequels, BW Tournaments can only get better because lessons are learned after launching a prototype: Prize Pool gets bigger, competition gets heavier, format aspects are more solidified, viewer count rises, so on and so forth. Yet with every cause or business involving money, there is always an inclination to try and make some money. The time and effort being invested should definitely be rewarded even if it's purely miniscule. We were looking at like $10 each for the whole "Replay Sales" fiasco(?) OMG right? Well, it didn't really pull through and even if it did, Game would push us towards pitching in for ISL2 anyway. I agree that donations would have probably been better, but it was just an attempt to see how it would go, kinda like tipping a waiter for his servitude (when you return, it will be better). ISL2 was of the utmost importance though. Knowing this, I desperately contacted every higher up that I knew to get un-IPbanned. Unfortunately, the decision was ultimately up to the current Head Admin. He gave me a chance to make amends by removing all my malicious content towards iCCup Admins (Messer). Therefore, I removed my TL signature regarding the JoeKim vs iCCup, but I completely forgot that I made a new YouTube account to rant about Messer. That should have been deleted too, but I was unaware, so the IPban is still in permanent effect. Although I've praised the great work he has done regarding iCCup overall, I was against a lot of his decisions outside of iCCup. Excessive BM was never manipulated in this manner, if it was, Ladder 2x2 would always be under /moderate and every 2v2 player would have to whisper one another. The fact that Game has valor in this community puts him on a higher pedestal subject to higher punishment. Any post outside of iCCup site/server shouldn't be applicable i.e. if a Facebook/YouTube post is made, or if someone were to Tweet something about iCCup, people/gamers should have that freedom to express themselves. There was no announcement regarding this new regulation that if you post things outside of iCCup site/server and get caught, you will be punished. I know this for an absolute fact, because during Mai-K's Head Admin Leadership, I let him know about Team [SOA]'s Portuguese Forum talking shit about me and all of the ICCUP Admins when I caught/banned Capri from iCCup Clan League for cheating; yet since it does not involve the site nor the server, "justice" cannot be served. All in all, before I turn this post into a full on 10-page essay. I just want to say that I was really excited for ISL2 because it was Game's second child. These early stages of it was like a Baby Shower on a beautiful summer day that got shat on by Hurricane _______(insert your name of preference). iCCup has been very generous for "letting" us use them like a dirty rug, but ISL would only benefit them with or without pension. Yet two vessels have been cut from the slow-beating heart belonging to BW. The words "thank you" are not enough to express my gratitude towards you, Dave. Well at least not without a proper feminine-alcoholic-umbrella drink in your hands. We've had our ups and downs as a dysfunctional gay couple fighting over our "His" and "His" towels. Hahaha, I know this isn't the end but rather a new beginning for you. I wish you the best in your future endeavors with the world. You have been an amazing leader (LRM), a sick innovating gamer, a remarkable tournament organizer, an insightful collaboration partner, a powerful member of the community, as well as a fantastic "BBF or BFF" / Cookie Monster (friend, buddy, pal, guy). | ||
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