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OneTrickPony
Profile Joined June 2011
United States19 Posts
July 03 2011 20:51 GMT
#261
Joekim I wish you weren't banned from Iccup because you were really cool to watch in my tournaments and other tournaments. It really seemed like you thought of creative strategies on my island map tournaments.
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 04 2011 01:12 GMT
#262
On July 03 2011 22:08 LG)cheloman wrote:
Hello,
The situation with Game started when the guy start call to my admin team retarded, etc. Insult to the people who is working for you by FREE, is not the best way to keep friends.
At iccup, can´t support to someone who make money with our free service. This is the second reason about why you, Game, wont be supported by my admin team.
Its 100% true that this kind of tournaments keeps the community active, but no the whole community is playing the tournament. With ISL, about 85% of our complaints came from ISL ladder and we were over capacity to help everyone.
So, iccup gave you banners, promotion, ladder support, an almost abusers-free server, and a lot of admin time for free, and what we got? Your insults your disrespect.
We cant be sit down seeing how you make money and using our service for you.
Is not true that ISL give us promotion. iccup doesnt need promotion.

Is not an easy decision for us (specially for me), dont allow to my team helps you. And yes, its my decision, no Paladin decision. I know that money tournaments gets the sympathy of community, but we cant accept that our admin team works for free for your bussiness.

Im not in the position to valorate if money prizes, or pay for replay pack its legal, allowed or not. I prefere that Ant, iccup owner, decide about this. But its my responsability to protect to my admin team (in consequence the whole ladder), of insults of someone who wants professional admins when we just have FREE people using their FREE time for help people for get a good experience in our ladder.

I hope none blames about iccup.TV or iccup super admins, who can get a different vision about this situation.
Sadly we can give to the community a perfect admin team. We would like to, but we gives you what we have.
We are improving our system, our rules, our super admins, our trials, everything, as hard as we can. But never, never, never will be perfect. There is not exist a perfect ladder, but we are proud of to be here, after many years, enjoying with our players of the best ladder than SC-BW has had in his history.


The server is free for everyone, you just treat Game differently because he's a well known icon and you're trying to show your power. Many other people have shout out the same bm without anywhere near the punishment. You really should have thought this through. You exiled one of the most important people in foreign bw just to set an example of "oooh look at me, I can ban people who disobey the rules". Had it been any average ladder player, there would have been virtually no action. BM against the admins is everywhere, everyone does it and its because of shit like this. Also, as far as I know you don't even do shit for bw, I don't understand how you have your admin position. Very poor way to show off the ban hammer you have.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Warlord_Master
Profile Joined May 2010
51 Posts
July 05 2011 04:27 GMT
#263
Without game being part of the organizers, will there be a ISL3 or any future tournaments or this is the last big one?
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 05 2011 04:39 GMT
#264
On July 05 2011 13:27 Warlord_Master wrote:
Without game being part of the organizers, will there be a ISL3 or any future tournaments or this is the last big one?


I guess we'll see in time .
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 07:37:08
July 05 2011 07:34 GMT
#265
On July 04 2011 10:12 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 22:08 LG)cheloman wrote:
Hello,
The situation with Game started when the guy start call to my admin team retarded, etc. Insult to the people who is working for you by FREE, is not the best way to keep friends.
At iccup, can´t support to someone who make money with our free service. This is the second reason about why you, Game, wont be supported by my admin team.
Its 100% true that this kind of tournaments keeps the community active, but no the whole community is playing the tournament. With ISL, about 85% of our complaints came from ISL ladder and we were over capacity to help everyone.
So, iccup gave you banners, promotion, ladder support, an almost abusers-free server, and a lot of admin time for free, and what we got? Your insults your disrespect.
We cant be sit down seeing how you make money and using our service for you.
Is not true that ISL give us promotion. iccup doesnt need promotion.

Is not an easy decision for us (specially for me), dont allow to my team helps you. And yes, its my decision, no Paladin decision. I know that money tournaments gets the sympathy of community, but we cant accept that our admin team works for free for your bussiness.

Im not in the position to valorate if money prizes, or pay for replay pack its legal, allowed or not. I prefere that Ant, iccup owner, decide about this. But its my responsability to protect to my admin team (in consequence the whole ladder), of insults of someone who wants professional admins when we just have FREE people using their FREE time for help people for get a good experience in our ladder.

I hope none blames about iccup.TV or iccup super admins, who can get a different vision about this situation.
Sadly we can give to the community a perfect admin team. We would like to, but we gives you what we have.
We are improving our system, our rules, our super admins, our trials, everything, as hard as we can. But never, never, never will be perfect. There is not exist a perfect ladder, but we are proud of to be here, after many years, enjoying with our players of the best ladder than SC-BW has had in his history.


The server is free for everyone, you just treat Game differently because he's a well known icon and you're trying to show your power. Many other people have shout out the same bm without anywhere near the punishment. You really should have thought this through. You exiled one of the most important people in foreign bw just to set an example of "oooh look at me, I can ban people who disobey the rules". Had it been any average ladder player, there would have been virtually no action. BM against the admins is everywhere, everyone does it and its because of shit like this. Also, as far as I know you don't even do shit for bw, I don't understand how you have your admin position. Very poor way to show off the ban hammer you have.

No, anyone in the position of Game heading this tournament would become well-known. They made the right decision when it comes to disrespecting their free service. What would you do if someone asked to come over and use your shit, then bitch and insult you when you don't give them a mile after an inch?

Not that it's black and white, but when something gets out of hand like this, there's only so much you can do.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3048 Posts
July 05 2011 11:04 GMT
#266
On July 05 2011 16:34 Cedstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 10:12 Eywa- wrote:
On July 03 2011 22:08 LG)cheloman wrote:
Hello,
The situation with Game started when the guy start call to my admin team retarded, etc. Insult to the people who is working for you by FREE, is not the best way to keep friends.
At iccup, can´t support to someone who make money with our free service. This is the second reason about why you, Game, wont be supported by my admin team.
Its 100% true that this kind of tournaments keeps the community active, but no the whole community is playing the tournament. With ISL, about 85% of our complaints came from ISL ladder and we were over capacity to help everyone.
So, iccup gave you banners, promotion, ladder support, an almost abusers-free server, and a lot of admin time for free, and what we got? Your insults your disrespect.
We cant be sit down seeing how you make money and using our service for you.
Is not true that ISL give us promotion. iccup doesnt need promotion.

Is not an easy decision for us (specially for me), dont allow to my team helps you. And yes, its my decision, no Paladin decision. I know that money tournaments gets the sympathy of community, but we cant accept that our admin team works for free for your bussiness.

Im not in the position to valorate if money prizes, or pay for replay pack its legal, allowed or not. I prefere that Ant, iccup owner, decide about this. But its my responsability to protect to my admin team (in consequence the whole ladder), of insults of someone who wants professional admins when we just have FREE people using their FREE time for help people for get a good experience in our ladder.

I hope none blames about iccup.TV or iccup super admins, who can get a different vision about this situation.
Sadly we can give to the community a perfect admin team. We would like to, but we gives you what we have.
We are improving our system, our rules, our super admins, our trials, everything, as hard as we can. But never, never, never will be perfect. There is not exist a perfect ladder, but we are proud of to be here, after many years, enjoying with our players of the best ladder than SC-BW has had in his history.


The server is free for everyone, you just treat Game differently because he's a well known icon and you're trying to show your power. Many other people have shout out the same bm without anywhere near the punishment. You really should have thought this through. You exiled one of the most important people in foreign bw just to set an example of "oooh look at me, I can ban people who disobey the rules". Had it been any average ladder player, there would have been virtually no action. BM against the admins is everywhere, everyone does it and its because of shit like this. Also, as far as I know you don't even do shit for bw, I don't understand how you have your admin position. Very poor way to show off the ban hammer you have.

No, anyone in the position of Game heading this tournament would become well-known. They made the right decision when it comes to disrespecting their free service. What would you do if someone asked to come over and use your shit, then bitch and insult you when you don't give them a mile after an inch?

Not that it's black and white, but when something gets out of hand like this, there's only so much you can do.

Mind you, the whole drama actually started beforehand
ppp
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
July 05 2011 11:18 GMT
#267
Seems pretty cut and dry to me - unless Game explicitly told iCCup officials that he would be selling replay packs for profit from the very beginning, iCCup had every right and reason to shut him down for being a manipulative leech.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3048 Posts
July 05 2011 11:21 GMT
#268
On July 05 2011 20:18 hauton wrote:
Seems pretty cut and dry to me - unless Game explicitly told iCCup officials that he would be selling replay packs for profit from the very beginning, iCCup had every right and reason to shut him down for being a manipulative leech.

That's not the whole picture. I could explain everything, but I won't since people don't read the full story and only jump onto conclusions
ppp
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
July 05 2011 11:24 GMT
#269
On July 05 2011 20:21 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 20:18 hauton wrote:
Seems pretty cut and dry to me - unless Game explicitly told iCCup officials that he would be selling replay packs for profit from the very beginning, iCCup had every right and reason to shut him down for being a manipulative leech.

That's not the whole picture. I could explain everything, but I won't since people don't read the full story and only jump onto conclusions

I would be glad to learn more.

From their own words, people on Game's side were offered compensation for their work. Some took it, others refused.

Game never gave those on the iCCup admin side that choice. So you can say it was for future prize money or whatever, but then treat everyone the same - everyone works for free and all pack sales go towards purely helping the tournament.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3048 Posts
July 05 2011 11:48 GMT
#270
On July 05 2011 20:24 hauton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 20:21 supernovamaniac wrote:
On July 05 2011 20:18 hauton wrote:
Seems pretty cut and dry to me - unless Game explicitly told iCCup officials that he would be selling replay packs for profit from the very beginning, iCCup had every right and reason to shut him down for being a manipulative leech.

That's not the whole picture. I could explain everything, but I won't since people don't read the full story and only jump onto conclusions

I would be glad to learn more.

From their own words, people on Game's side were offered compensation for their work. Some took it, others refused.

Game never gave those on the iCCup admin side that choice. So you can say it was for future prize money or whatever, but then treat everyone the same - everyone works for free and all pack sales go towards purely helping the tournament.


I don't know what's more hard to do: scrolling up 2 posts to read 'The drama began before the ISL incident' or reading the whole thread. Either one is fine.

Game wasn't banned from iCCup because of replays; iCCup stated that ISL won't be affiliated with the server anymore. It was iCCup StarLeague till this happened; now its named International StarLeague. If they wanted to ban Game, they would've done it then; with excessive bm, it was possible to do so.

I don't know when the whole drama began; all i know is when Sayle/NoOne and couple of other admins quit. If you read the thread, you'll see Eywa bashing at Gecko. Gecko's an admin who's been banned 3 times before as Admin (bm reasons) yet he's been coming back. Some admins got fed up and quit the team, including NoOne who was the SA of BW section.
ppp
CroDeadman
Profile Joined March 2010
Croatia76 Posts
July 05 2011 12:22 GMT
#271
lol sup noob !
Official bitch of Artanis[Xp]
Tleaf
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada181 Posts
July 05 2011 23:15 GMT
#272
On July 05 2011 20:18 hauton wrote:
Seems pretty cut and dry to me - unless Game explicitly told iCCup officials that he would be selling replay packs for profit from the very beginning, iCCup had every right and reason to shut him down for being a manipulative leech.


Did you even read the whole story?
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
July 05 2011 23:34 GMT
#273
Yeahhh I think this thread has run its course.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
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