EPTOn July 01 2011 11:08 Game wrote:
When I saw your name before I read the wall of text, I was like "ut oh". But that was an educated post. Also, thanks for your wishes... and I love your sig lol.
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On July 01 2011 11:01 ammeL wrote:
Whatever happened, happened. Things happen for a reason. iCCUP has their points, Game has his. No one is going to win in this battle, it seems. It seems iCCUP's decision is permanent (since IPBans were made).
This is how I see it:
If Game wanted to charge for replays, which he indicated to the public on March 31st (as he had created a thread back then saying he could charge for replays), I don't see the big deal. Actually, if anything, it's a good thing. He mentioned that the proceeds would be going to the next big tournament. That's a good thing, isn't it? That means it'd be a bigger tournament, draw more attention, and there would be more Brood War activity. All of this would be taking place on iCCUP; thus, the player activity and popularity of iCCUP would rise. This is a good thing for iCCUP and a good thing for the players participating in the tournament (since the prize pool would be bigger). Not to mention, all the hard work and dedication that goes into running such a big tournament - why not let some of the admins/people working hard take a little share. In the end, they are working for the community, and essentially, with the passion and pose that they ran things, I believe they deserved a little something aside from respect and gratitude.
That leads me to the viewpoint of iCCUP.
iCCUP wanted royalty fees since Game was charging for replays and they wanted some share of it, too (I'm not sure if this is exactly what happened since some of those screenshots were unclear). Nonetheless, iCCUP wanted some sort of compensation from ISL. Now, what I have to say about this is that why on earth would iCCUP ever do this? Like I mentioned in the previous paragraph, the "donation" (in a sense), from the purchasing of replays was going to make a bigger and better tournament which, in return, would make a bigger and better iCCUP. iCCUP would have gotten more attention and, I'm sure iCCUP earns money through ads and whatnot; thus, with more player activity, they'd be earning more revenue anyways. And since Game would have been bringing such activity to iCCUP, why would they care? They should've been happy about it. And then, I'm unclear of what took place about Game flaming them and whatnot, but there was no reason to IPBan the guy who did so much, made iCCUP bigger during the brink of death, etc.
It seems that there was greed and corruption amongst the iCCUP staff. Wanting fees for the work of another was not necessary of iCCUP. Not to mention, it's not like Game pulled that on anyone last second saying he'd charge money for replays. He did this early on (about a month ago). Furthermore, it was for the better of the community as a whole. And since iCCUP does host this server and do a lot for the community, I don't see why they would be against this? They should have wanted to join Game and his endeavors and aim to revive a community we once had.
Either way, what's done is done now. There was some sort miscommunication, greed, corruption, etc going on and it seems that the final cuts have been made. The only thing that can be done now is if iCCUP realizes what idiocy they have committed...
All in all - great work, Game. We were friends for a while on B.net for the last few years, played games together, and had some talks. Best of luck; and we all know you were doing this for the community and no other selfish reason. Some people just won't understand and let their power trips get to them. Can't do anything about it, man.
Best wishes, be safe, and hope to see you around.
Whatever happened, happened. Things happen for a reason. iCCUP has their points, Game has his. No one is going to win in this battle, it seems. It seems iCCUP's decision is permanent (since IPBans were made).
This is how I see it:
If Game wanted to charge for replays, which he indicated to the public on March 31st (as he had created a thread back then saying he could charge for replays), I don't see the big deal. Actually, if anything, it's a good thing. He mentioned that the proceeds would be going to the next big tournament. That's a good thing, isn't it? That means it'd be a bigger tournament, draw more attention, and there would be more Brood War activity. All of this would be taking place on iCCUP; thus, the player activity and popularity of iCCUP would rise. This is a good thing for iCCUP and a good thing for the players participating in the tournament (since the prize pool would be bigger). Not to mention, all the hard work and dedication that goes into running such a big tournament - why not let some of the admins/people working hard take a little share. In the end, they are working for the community, and essentially, with the passion and pose that they ran things, I believe they deserved a little something aside from respect and gratitude.
That leads me to the viewpoint of iCCUP.
iCCUP wanted royalty fees since Game was charging for replays and they wanted some share of it, too (I'm not sure if this is exactly what happened since some of those screenshots were unclear). Nonetheless, iCCUP wanted some sort of compensation from ISL. Now, what I have to say about this is that why on earth would iCCUP ever do this? Like I mentioned in the previous paragraph, the "donation" (in a sense), from the purchasing of replays was going to make a bigger and better tournament which, in return, would make a bigger and better iCCUP. iCCUP would have gotten more attention and, I'm sure iCCUP earns money through ads and whatnot; thus, with more player activity, they'd be earning more revenue anyways. And since Game would have been bringing such activity to iCCUP, why would they care? They should've been happy about it. And then, I'm unclear of what took place about Game flaming them and whatnot, but there was no reason to IPBan the guy who did so much, made iCCUP bigger during the brink of death, etc.
It seems that there was greed and corruption amongst the iCCUP staff. Wanting fees for the work of another was not necessary of iCCUP. Not to mention, it's not like Game pulled that on anyone last second saying he'd charge money for replays. He did this early on (about a month ago). Furthermore, it was for the better of the community as a whole. And since iCCUP does host this server and do a lot for the community, I don't see why they would be against this? They should have wanted to join Game and his endeavors and aim to revive a community we once had.
Either way, what's done is done now. There was some sort miscommunication, greed, corruption, etc going on and it seems that the final cuts have been made. The only thing that can be done now is if iCCUP realizes what idiocy they have committed...
All in all - great work, Game. We were friends for a while on B.net for the last few years, played games together, and had some talks. Best of luck; and we all know you were doing this for the community and no other selfish reason. Some people just won't understand and let their power trips get to them. Can't do anything about it, man.
Best wishes, be safe, and hope to see you around.
When I saw your name before I read the wall of text, I was like "ut oh". But that was an educated post. Also, thanks for your wishes... and I love your sig lol.
Yeah, if I want to be a troll/total BM prick, I could. But, in this case, I think the wrong thing was done. Good luck. But, don't let this whole thing blow up too much. What's done is done, nothing you can do. In the end, it really is a game (and a game that is unfortunately dying). So don't take this too seriously.
