EPTLRM)Game Retirement Announcement - Page 9
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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ZaRaki_
Spain126 Posts
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Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [here be dragons] + About three months ago, I left the ICCup admin team. Shortly thereafter, I got into a relationship with a 'female admin' (the ICCup announcement left her unnamed so I shall do the same). At some point, she decided to share her passwords with me, which included the password to her admin account. Being curious about what internal discussions the admin team was having in the face of all the recent events (high-level admins leaving, vTv CL issue, ISL2, etc), I used her account to regularly browse the admin-only forums on iccup.com. I never logged on to the server with that account nor did I use any of its 'admin powers'. I simply observed what was going on behind the scenes. Make no mistake though, I did break the rules. Sharing admin accounts is forbidden, and I knew that when I started using it. I won't make any excuses. I will say, however, that I was NOT the one who leaked that thread from the admins forum, which I believe is what Paladin originally suspected. I made that quite clear to him in our discussion as well. Regarding current (and future) BW events, I don't think too much has changed. ISL2 will be played on West after the ladder stage, so I can still cast that. The Ribbon Classic is still being discussed, but we could just move that to West as well. I believe the Gambit Cup is also going to be played on West. To be honest, I haven't casted an ICCup event since I left the team, so as long as any future organizers are fine with hosting their events on other servers, I don't think there's an issue (besides the fewer number of events due to the loss of Game). I'll just be playing on B-net and Fish from now on  I apologize to the BW community for making this whole situation worse than it already is. I do love this game and I'll continue to do my best keeping the (foreign) scene alive outside of ICCup. | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3700 Posts
Anyone ever read the iCCup end user agreement? No, I didn't think so, but by ever using their servers it means you legally agree to the terms therin. Abusers will get banned no matter how popular they are (o hai F91), that doesn't mean I'm happy with Sayle being banned from iCCup, hell I like the guy and think he's quite suited for the role, but he needs to be a bit more responsible in such an important role. EDIT: Saw Sayle's reply above. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
I may do an SC2 tournament (alternating between games was always the plan; it has nothing to do with drama) and come back to BW after the dust settles. I may not. Don't know yet. I'm sorry to everyone who was excited for the tournament. On July 01 2011 19:05 puppykiller wrote: Omg first Game, now Sayle, whos next... Ribbon? Yes, apparently. But I don't think I'll be missed  | ||
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mansa
Philippines336 Posts
 Aww I was pumped for Ribbon classic. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 01 2011 19:28 mansa wrote: Ribbon why not play using hamachi? We may do something like that eventually, but we can't set something like that up easily with <48 hours notice. Organizing nerds is like herding cats etc. Also, like I said, I don't want the shadow of drama over it. I sponsored the tournament to bring people together (the Classic is a trial run for a bigger thing, where I had a BW Tournament and an SC2 tournament running concurrently, using BW to SC2 map ports and custom-made SC2 to BW map ports to have both use the "same" map pool as the unifying gimmick), but doing a tournament on another server now makes the subtext of it "Fuck ICCUP", which is kind of the opposite of what I wanted. I'm not saying I don't want to do the tournament, I just don't want to do it Saturday. | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On July 01 2011 19:36 Ribbon wrote: We may do something like that eventually, but we can't set something like that up easily with <48 hours notice. Organizing nerds is like herding cats etc. Also, like I said, I don't want the shadow of drama over it. I sponsored the tournament to bring people together (the Classic is a trial run for a bigger thing, where I had a BW Tournament and an SC2 tournament running concurrently, using BW to SC2 map ports and custom-made SC2 to BW map ports to have both use the "same" map pool as the unifying gimmick), but doing a tournament on another server now makes the subtext of it "Fuck ICCUP", which is kind of the opposite of what I wanted. I'm not saying I don't want to do the tournament, I just don't want to do it Saturday. whats wrong with a FUCK iccup subtext. really. with everything they've done, i see nothing better to unify the community behind. Play it on west with chaoslauncher. the organisation would be really easy(you email all contestants a download link to chaos, ask them to install. meet on a channel on east/west and host games with #l2). | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
On July 01 2011 19:26 bITt.mAN wrote: Seriously you guys, are Game and Sayle some sort of fucking god's to you that you worship and adore beyons all reason?! You're worse than Flash/JD fanboys, becuase at least you'd be dissapointed in them if they overtely and openly dissrespected/Broke rules/scanctions. So what, they're populaaaar "fuck the rules they don't apply to them". And you want fair staff with such an unfair mentality yourself? Anyone ever read the iCCup end user agreement? No, I didn't think so, but by ever using their servers it means you legally agree to the terms therin. Abusers will get banned no matter how popular they are (o hai F91), that doesn't mean I'm happy with Sayle being banned from iCCup, hell I like the guy and think he's quite suited for the role, but he needs to be a bit more responsible in such an important role. EDIT: Saw Sayle's reply above. Well said. Guys, you have to understand ICCups reasoning. Banning Game seems to be harsh but come on he was an aboslute moron to flame everyone of the admins, the Abyss itself and evryone who was argueing against him in a tl-thread. I hoped Game will handle this with dignity but he didnt. He started this thread posting some logs and screenshots that absoltutely dont help to clarify everything that happened in the past. I really think that if Game stayed for some time after his withdrawal from the ISL2 that someday he would eventually be able to work together with iccup. But how Game handled this and how he broke agreement after agreement there was absolutely no way to not ban him. It's a little sad, he was an excellent organizer, but I wont miss his attitude at all. It's a pity that Sayle got banned though. But you have to understand iccups reasoning here too. After the incident with JoeKim this was the second time someone illegally used an adminaccount in a very short time. Iccup has to show everyone that this is a wrongdoing against almost every elemetary rule at iccup. And in our world especially in the internet you have to punish for wrongdoing :-( I still think that a permanent ban for Sayle is a little too harsh. It's not because Sayle is famous and important for the community. It's because Sayle seemed to not have abused his secret powers, acted honestly all the time, didn't take part in Games excessive BM-sessions and always tried to use diplomacy for the sake of foreign BW. At least that's the impression I got from Sayles posts in the forums and what he said while casting. So please be gracious and give this guy a second chance after a few weeks. And all you guys who are hating on iccup and Paladin. You're the guys who hate on iccup all the time or are in the inner circle of the Game/JoeKim/Sayle-clique and argue absolutely biased. Iccup is important for foreign BW. Maybe not for the high competitors. But where else should a chobo or newbie play who doesnt want to get stomped or hacked every time. Where else should a beginner come to if he looks for advisors and practice partners that can communicate wtih him? | ||
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LML
Germany1794 Posts
On July 01 2011 10:06 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: man u want be lrm)game 2.0 ? stop provoced admins., i really start hate u and ur comments All I see you do lately is praise iCCup and their admins as if they were holy saints to bring us the word of the messias. What you are saying in your post right there is that you think it's okay if the iCCup Admins abuse their power like this, but we have to be quiet about it? That's blasphemy, and maybe you've just not had the right experiences yourself yet which blures your eyes. That Sayle got banned for this is of course a right decision, which every website would have done, and he knows it and admits it, as sad as it is, I personally love his casting alot and think he is a nice guy to talk to, but he knew what he was doing and he knew that he was going to get busted eventually, it's just a matter of time. Game knew that to some extend, too, with all the incidents he had, it was a matter of time, it was drastic, yes, many actions by iCCup have not been correct, though, no matter how you look at it, some of it isn't even mentioned in any of this threads. Many people's opinions are lonely based on what they were able to get to know from here, while alot more happened, and Game is just one of many who faced such things. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7088 Posts
On July 01 2011 23:24 LML wrote: All I see you do lately is praise iCCup and their admins as if they were holy saints to bring us the word of the messias. What you are saying in your post right there is that you think it's okay if the iCCup Admins abuse their power like this, but we have to be quiet about it? That's blasphemy, and maybe you've just not had the right experiences yourself yet which blures your eyes. That Sayle got banned for this is of course a right decision, which every website would have done, and he knows it and admits it, as sad as it is, I personally love his casting alot and think he is a nice guy to talk to, but he knew what he was doing and he knew that he was going to get busted eventually, it's just a matter of time. Game knew that to some extend, too, with all the incidents he had, it was a matter of time, it was drastic, yes, many actions by iCCup have not been correct, though, no matter how you look at it, some of it isn't even mentioned in any of this threads. Many people's opinions are lonely based on what they were able to get to know from here, while alot more happened, and Game is just one of many who faced such things. imo.paladin is proly the best head admin that iccup,and he start a project 1.defend the new generation of players(noobs) 2.He dont care who is who,u broke rules get BAN! i respect this, 3.Where is the power abue by him ?, i like sayle cast too,who no ? but this not mean he can spy admin archives and tell all to game and check the msg of locked account,i bet he do this. and take screens.for much that u like those guys help bw community his personal fight with iccup destroy all too,if u think iccup is a shit just dont join,go fish or brain,I love iccup and i love bw,i dont join in personal fight of game vs iccup and the new asshole eywa that think he is somethng here,.....he is another stupid wit not brain that cant think by his self,anyway gl this meatball on his retirement User was warned for this post | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On July 01 2011 23:47 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: imo.paladin is proly the best head admin that iccup,and he start a project 1.defend the new generation of players(noobs) 2.He dont care who is who,u broke rules get BAN! i respect this, 3.Where is the power abue by him ?, i like sayle cast too,who no ? but this not mean he can spy admin archives and tell all to game and check the msg of locked account,i bet he do this. and take screens.for much that u like those guys help bw community his personal fight with iccup destroy all too,if u think iccup is a shit just dont join,go fish or brain,I love iccup and i love bw,i dont join in personal fight of game vs iccup and the new asshole eywa that think he is somethng here,.....he is another stupid wit not brain that cant think by his self,anyway gl this meatball on his retirement In retort. lets think about what was going on pre-paladin. We had many tournaments running, good casting going every weeklend, lots of money being injected into the scene. post paladin: everything is turning to shit. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7088 Posts
On July 02 2011 00:20 Kiante wrote: In retort. lets think about what was going on pre-paladin. We had many tournaments running, good casting going every weeklend, lots of money being injected into the scene. post paladin: everything is turning to shit. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm if ur president made ur country in the shit u agree ?,is the same kiante, | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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CarlMikael
Sweden1043 Posts
On July 02 2011 00:48 dRaW wrote: This thread is super derailed, so I feel less bad about this... Where does everyone meet on Fish/West? we all could just move to op teamliquid ? | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
I agree lets start up op teamliquid on fish. note about fish: if u dont use your account for 7(maybe less) days it gets deleted. Lets get in the channel and start helping each other hit the 30 games for laddering! | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On July 02 2011 00:23 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: if ur president made ur country in the shit u agree ?,is the same kiante, i dont really understand your question. but if my country was going in the shitty, i would definetly blame the leader. Its their responsibility. | ||
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LML
Germany1794 Posts
On July 01 2011 23:47 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: imo.paladin is proly the best head admin that iccup,and he start a project 1.defend the new generation of players(noobs) 2.He dont care who is who,u broke rules get BAN! i respect this, 3.Where is the power abue by him ?, i like sayle cast too,who no ? but this not mean he can spy admin archives and tell all to game and check the msg of locked account,i bet he do this. and take screens.for much that u like those guys help bw community his personal fight with iccup destroy all too,if u think iccup is a shit just dont join,go fish or brain,I love iccup and i love bw,i dont join in personal fight of game vs iccup and the new asshole eywa that think he is somethng here,.....he is another stupid wit not brain that cant think by his self,anyway gl this meatball on his retirement 1. He explicitely said that he did not give Game these information, he only wanted to observe himself. 2. You might notice that I agree with that decision in my previous post, he knew that he will get banned eventually, and it's correct. 3. Who doesn't defend the noobs? We all love the people who come over from SC2 or just get attracted to BW in other ways. 4. I am not talking about Paladin, I am talking about iCCup in general. I do not agree with some things of what other people have done, but as mentioned before you probably didn't get a victim of iCCup admins who join, stay calm, and eventually abuse their power when they are trusted enough. Your eyes are blured to only see the other side as the bad people. However, Game said that he has alot of stuff going on in real life and that it becomes more after the summer, he also mentioned that he wouldn't have quit BW if it wasn't for iCCup's actions, so either way he would have been very busy, and yet still would have kept putting so damn much time into organizing stuff for BW, that is true dedication, and that is what is missing. Take a look at iCCup's motivation: Randomly hosting tournaments now and then, and also there only individuals seem to take stuff to the next level (as tenshi taking upon the Nation Wars thing), while other events drop more and more. Think about iCCup Attack, it was good, it was something peolpe liked to see, but it died out, just as everything. And then there is this one guy, who keeps going, he doesn't stop because of motivation, but because of denial. On top of it, iCCup admins aren't saints, either. They act over the line, are bm, disrespectful, just as most people are from time to time, because they are human beings, just as all of us. Those admins who are nice and do their job in a good fashion, are just not recognized, we mainly get to notice those who act over the strings, which is sad and puts bad light upon all of them. | ||
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xarthaz
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