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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
June 18 2011 13:06 GMT
#81
On June 18 2011 22:02 PrimeTimey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 22:01 hifriend wrote:
um LoL, cs 1.6, css, quake always get a lot more viewers than sc2


CS - No
CSS - No
Quake - No

They have for every IEM anyway.. And in the US, console games are getting the bigger audiences.
yB.TeH
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany419 Posts
June 18 2011 13:07 GMT
#82
implying that sc2 isn't casual ^^
PrimeTimey
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada369 Posts
June 18 2011 13:09 GMT
#83
On June 18 2011 22:06 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 22:02 PrimeTimey wrote:
On June 18 2011 22:01 hifriend wrote:
um LoL, cs 1.6, css, quake always get a lot more viewers than sc2


CS - No
CSS - No
Quake - No

They have for every IEM anyway.. And in the US, console games are getting the bigger audiences.



CSS wasn't at IEM, and secondly you said "always get a lot more viewers" not one event.
BlindSC2
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom435 Posts
June 18 2011 13:11 GMT
#84
Once we get the next Quake-esque game, I think that will be the next explosion in e-sports.

Starcraft will grow and grow, as well as all the other titles, but if there were some kind of casually-playable game, like CoD, that could also somehow be played to the standard/competitiveness of Quake (whether it be 1v1 or 5v5 etc), there would be a built in audience of hundreds of thousands of people with the proper support/advertising of the creators
Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools; because they have to say something - Plato
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
June 18 2011 13:13 GMT
#85
On June 18 2011 22:11 BlindGamer wrote:
Once we get the next Quake-esque game, I think that will be the next explosion in e-sports.

Starcraft will grow and grow, as well as all the other titles, but if there were some kind of casually-playable game, like CoD, that could also somehow be played to the standard/competitiveness of Quake (whether it be 1v1 or 5v5 etc), there would be a built in audience of hundreds of thousands of people with the proper support/advertising of the creators


I doubt that. People just don't wanna watch 1v1 shooters I think. QL barely get's any viewers and Quake has been going downhill for years (in terms of popularity). I think it's said, but that's the way it is.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 13:15:53
June 18 2011 13:15 GMT
#86
On June 18 2011 22:04 PrimeTimey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 22:01 floor exercise wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:58 PrimeTimey wrote:
They have the stream embed on their website, their website traffic hits are ridiculous: Alexa Traffic Rank Reputation Global 1,640 -- with that said, just because they have tons of people watching from an embed on their website doesn't make the game a legitimate eSport. I can't watch this stream for more than two minutes.

The approval of teamliquid.net poster PrimeTimey is what qualifies games as legitimate ESPORTS


The game is casual, its free to play, very few professional organizations sponsor League of Legends teams, the game has no online events and very few LAN events. Just because you can get tons of people turning into a stream doesn't legitimize anything.

*Edit: Never mind the fact the game doesn't even have a spectator mode so you can't watch games be played -- how can that be considered an eSports title?

The company is new, game is new, etc. How big of an esport was SCBW in 1998?

EDIT: And there's so much sponsorship potential in 50-100k+ viewers that it shouldn't take a long time.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 18 2011 13:16 GMT
#87
I don't understand the hate you guys are putting on other games such as LoL. It's not like SC2 should be "The Only E-Sport". Isn't it a good thing that games in generally are becoming more accessible and mainstream instead of considered some dorky nerd thing? We should be celebrating that more and more people are willing to consider watching e-sports in general. It doesn't matter what game it is.
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Sae
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom74 Posts
June 18 2011 13:17 GMT
#88
On June 18 2011 22:09 PrimeTimey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 22:06 hifriend wrote:
On June 18 2011 22:02 PrimeTimey wrote:
On June 18 2011 22:01 hifriend wrote:
um LoL, cs 1.6, css, quake always get a lot more viewers than sc2


CS - No
CSS - No
Quake - No

They have for every IEM anyway.. And in the US, console games are getting the bigger audiences.



CSS wasn't at IEM, and secondly you said "always get a lot more viewers" not one event.


every IEM is not one event.. I don't get where people got the idea that sc2 is extremely popular, its a rather small (one of the smallest) game just with a very strong high-tier competitive environment adopted from the original game.
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
June 18 2011 13:18 GMT
#89
On June 18 2011 22:16 MoonBear wrote:
I don't understand the hate you guys are putting on other games such as LoL. It's not like SC2 should be "The Only E-Sport". Isn't it a good thing that games in generally are becoming more accessible and mainstream instead of considered some dorky nerd thing? We should be celebrating that more and more people are willing to consider watching e-sports in general. It doesn't matter what game it is.

If it was dorky nerd thing then games would be made for nerds exclusively, now they are made for mainstream = no games made for people like me.
as useful as teasalt
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
June 18 2011 13:19 GMT
#90
LoL, HoN, DotA are all competitive, what if Blizzard DotA becomes very competitive will people be upset then?
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 13:19:56
June 18 2011 13:19 GMT
#91
On June 18 2011 22:11 BlindGamer wrote:
Once we get the next Quake-esque game, I think that will be the next explosion in e-sports.

Starcraft will grow and grow, as well as all the other titles, but if there were some kind of casually-playable game, like CoD, that could also somehow be played to the standard/competitiveness of Quake (whether it be 1v1 or 5v5 etc), there would be a built in audience of hundreds of thousands of people with the proper support/advertising of the creators

We will never get one unfortunately because every FPS game is designed to be playable on consoles which means in general slower paced, boring gameplay.


On June 18 2011 22:19 WArped wrote:
LoL, HoN, DotA are all competitive, what if Blizzard DotA becomes very competitive will people be upset then?


if it's anything like bnet2 it's going to have half the features and twice the lag of those games. I'm more curious about dota2 right now
AxiR
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany944 Posts
June 18 2011 13:19 GMT
#92
On June 18 2011 22:06 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 22:02 PrimeTimey wrote:
On June 18 2011 22:01 hifriend wrote:
um LoL, cs 1.6, css, quake always get a lot more viewers than sc2


CS - No
CSS - No
Quake - No

They have for every IEM anyway.. And in the US, console games are getting the bigger audiences.

As we've seen at MLG.
BlindSC2
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom435 Posts
June 18 2011 13:19 GMT
#93
On June 18 2011 22:13 Woony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 22:11 BlindGamer wrote:
Once we get the next Quake-esque game, I think that will be the next explosion in e-sports.

Starcraft will grow and grow, as well as all the other titles, but if there were some kind of casually-playable game, like CoD, that could also somehow be played to the standard/competitiveness of Quake (whether it be 1v1 or 5v5 etc), there would be a built in audience of hundreds of thousands of people with the proper support/advertising of the creators


I doubt that. People just don't wanna watch 1v1 shooters I think. QL barely get's any viewers and Quake has been going downhill for years (in terms of popularity). I think it's said, but that's the way it is.


Part of the problem with Quake is that it is getting relatively old now, and part of being a casual gamer is that you generally like pumped up graphics and new stuff etc. True, many people might not like 1v1's, but 5v5 would still be very viable I think
Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools; because they have to say something - Plato
waffleduck
Profile Joined August 2010
125 Posts
June 18 2011 13:19 GMT
#94
I'm watching both streams and the crowd for sc2 seems bigger/louder whenever a nice play is made. Could just have to do with the position of the casters though.
PrimeTimey
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada369 Posts
June 18 2011 13:20 GMT
#95
On June 18 2011 22:15 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 22:04 PrimeTimey wrote:
On June 18 2011 22:01 floor exercise wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:58 PrimeTimey wrote:
They have the stream embed on their website, their website traffic hits are ridiculous: Alexa Traffic Rank Reputation Global 1,640 -- with that said, just because they have tons of people watching from an embed on their website doesn't make the game a legitimate eSport. I can't watch this stream for more than two minutes.

The approval of teamliquid.net poster PrimeTimey is what qualifies games as legitimate ESPORTS


The game is casual, its free to play, very few professional organizations sponsor League of Legends teams, the game has no online events and very few LAN events. Just because you can get tons of people turning into a stream doesn't legitimize anything.

*Edit: Never mind the fact the game doesn't even have a spectator mode so you can't watch games be played -- how can that be considered an eSports title?

The company is new, game is new, etc. How big of an esport was SCBW in 1998?

EDIT: And there's so much sponsorship potential in 50-100k+ viewers that it shouldn't take a long time.


The Company is new - "Riot Games was established in 2006"

The Game is new - "and released on October 27, 2009"

Sponsorship potential does not lie only in numbers there is a lot more to the equation.
Razzah
Profile Joined March 2011
United States35 Posts
June 18 2011 13:21 GMT
#96
Are you people seriously fighting on what gets more views? its all esports and i am currently watching both SC2 and LoL, love both games.
Cashmere
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia66 Posts
June 18 2011 13:21 GMT
#97
They're smart - they use the game client to filter extra viewers in.
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
June 18 2011 13:23 GMT
#98
On June 18 2011 22:17 Sae wrote:I don't get where people got the idea that sc2 is extremely popular, its a rather small (one of the smallest) game just with a very strong high-tier competitive environment adopted from the original game.

This is so wrong I don't even know where to begin to right it.
On June 18 2011 22:06 hifriend wrote:
They have for every IEM anyway.. And in the US, console games are getting the bigger audiences.

No they aren't lol. MLG got a 250% viewership boost during MLG this year. SPOILERS: It wasn't for call of duty.

Jesus, this thread is so bad. A whole bunch of insecure nerds (THERE IS NO WAY THIS IS LEGITIMATE VIEWERSHIP....LOL IS CASUAL BULLSHIT) and some people just flat out making things up.

The simple fact of the matter is that riot has been hyping the shit out of this tournament for a long time now and it's pretty much the only real show in town for the LoL community. No real surprise here about the viewership numbers.
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 13:24:27
June 18 2011 13:23 GMT
#99
On the topic of dota/lol/hon, here's the HoN stream from Dreamhack http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/breakycpk

I believe they are in between matches right now though.

Though only 3k viewers. Le sigh. HoN had a really unlucky run in the fact that they decided to make their game have an initial price, when their main competitor is free to play. I think it's one of the main reasons why LoL is so much more popular than HoN is now.
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
June 18 2011 13:25 GMT
#100
On June 18 2011 22:23 Angra wrote:
On the topic of dota/lol/hon, here's the HoN stream from Dreamhack http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/breakycpk

I believe they are in between matches right now though.

Though only 3k viewers. Le sigh. HoN had a really unlucky run in the fact that they decided to make their game have an initial price, when their main competitor is free to play. I think it's one of the main reasons why LoL is so much more popular than HoN is now.

Well that and the HoN community is somehow even more angry than the LoL community. I personally perfer HoN but man do those guys get mad. The HoN community is downright toxic.
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