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On June 19 2011 06:44 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:30 xarthaz wrote:On June 19 2011 06:12 GizmoPT wrote:
if i remember well some time ago when there were less tournaments and streams i remember 150k+ streams for starcraft :X So which one? And live report thread or osmething to back it`? The only number that is reported to be comparable to the 193k+ that LoL had today had been the Boxer GOM game which strangely doesnt have viewer count information anywhere. Im sorry but it needs more than urban legend to prove that something is the biggest esport event of all time. Today, LoL did it. SC2? Maybe, but remains to be proved. Yeah its easy to say LoL is the biggest thing since sliced bread when the biggest E-SPORT leagues in the world MLG and GSL don't release viewer counts to their streams. TL search box is pretty awful when trying to find specific thread from the past. It is known. Also where is your proof that LoL hit 193k? Since you seem to be so interested in proof for every little statement. Been at 77k all day today, not taking in account pando media booster.
If the GSL didn't release the viewer count, then where did you get the 700k number?
Also the biggest E-sport league is the OSL, which gets more viewers then anything, on TV.
MLG is not a league, its an event, GSL is a league.
Although it may say Major League gaming, it has more of an event setting then a league setting.
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On June 19 2011 06:51 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:44 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 06:30 xarthaz wrote:On June 19 2011 06:12 GizmoPT wrote:
if i remember well some time ago when there were less tournaments and streams i remember 150k+ streams for starcraft :X So which one? And live report thread or osmething to back it`? The only number that is reported to be comparable to the 193k+ that LoL had today had been the Boxer GOM game which strangely doesnt have viewer count information anywhere. Im sorry but it needs more than urban legend to prove that something is the biggest esport event of all time. Today, LoL did it. SC2? Maybe, but remains to be proved. Yeah its easy to say LoL is the biggest thing since sliced bread when the biggest E-SPORT leagues in the world MLG and GSL don't release viewer counts to their streams. TL search box is pretty awful when trying to find specific thread from the past. It is known. Also where is your proof that LoL hit 193k? Since you seem to be so interested in proof for every little statement. Been at 77k all day today, not taking in account pando media booster. If the GSL didn't release the viewer count, then where did you get the 700k number? Also the biggest E-sport league is the OSL, which gets more viewers then anything, on TV. MLG is not a league, its an event, GSL is a league.
Major League Gaming
They released it for one game.
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On June 19 2011 06:43 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:25 Eppa! wrote:On June 19 2011 06:11 Skwid1g wrote:On June 19 2011 05:49 overt wrote:On June 19 2011 05:42 Whole wrote:On June 19 2011 05:26 Aurra wrote:
SC2 players calling LoL a casual game seems a bit ironic.
Sure, LoL is a simple/"dumbed down" version of DOTA but so is SC2 compared to its own predecessor. I don't think the comparison is fair. Starcraft: BW was ridiculously hard. You had to make it a brutal full-time job just to be considered a pro...can you really say the same for DOTA? I think SC2 is very close in the perfect balance of hard and casual friendly...personally I wish it'd be a little harder but that won't change. Also, while LoL is getting massive views, only time will tell if it could be consistant. I think it is getting so much views because it is the first LoL tournament of this caliber, while SC2 has this shit year round. DotA2 on the other hand could compete if it delivers. LoL peaked at like 70K just for the North American qualifiers too. NESL matches with CLG can peak at 10K. People watching popular streamers like bigfatjiji, saintvicious, HotshotGG, or the Solomid stream can get 5-6K sometimes of them just playing games. I understand people not liking LoL but calling it "casual" and "not a real eSport" is dumb. I started playing and watching LoL because I just didn't get into SC2 the way I got into Brood War and I still watch Brood War matches but have no clue what's going on in professional SC2. It got boring for me for the same reason a lot of people in this thread don't like LoL. People just have different tastes, no point in bashing on one or the other because one is successful. Besides, if LoL gets super big it will only mean good things for SC2 and LoL has a lot of potential. Meh, I'm nearing 2k Elo on LoL and I play once a week at most, I just don't think it has much potential as an E-sport as the skill cap is relatively low, it has a lot of glitches that break it competitively, and Riot is clueless on balancing. Fun game though. And I believe when Idra was talking during his games he got like 25k viewers just laddering, which is more than I've ever seen from Hotshot or Regi's stream. Does anyone know how many viewers the GSL finals have gotten throughout the season when including the Koreans? I'd be interested to know. Whatever makes people happy though, that's the whole point of video games in the end. This doesn't sound like any 2k player I have ever heard of before. LoL is actually quite balanced for a MobA where there are generally a lot of FotMing I got to 1650 before I quit for BLC and you need to get great mechanics or great decision making unless you want your team to carry you while playing Janna/Soraka/Taric. Quite balanced? Fiddlesticks, GP, etc. are well balanced champions? The problem isn't with "FOTM/OP" champions, but rather the huge number of weak champions like those, Kog, Morde, Trynd, Panth, etc. that are considered jokes in competitive play.
That's not a very good argument against the balance of the game, though. A game's balance is determined by the most viable choices, not the least viable. In LoL, a huge majority of champions are viable in tournament play, and there aren't very many champions at S-tier, which does make it pretty balanced. Teams aren't restricted too much to cookie cutter comps. DotA was an incredibly balanced game for most of its lifespan, even though at any given time, half of the heroes were unplayable. The game has 80 champs, what do you expect?
And no, you don't need great mechanics or decision making to hit 1600-1800ish, I can say that I'm not good at that game and I'll most likely hit 2k within the next few weeks. Part of this is the attitude that most players have, but a lot of it has to do with the game itself. Riot could easily change this in the future, but their design philosophy makes me think it won't happen.
Is it an E-sport? Sure, people play it competitively. Is it one of the harder E-sports? Not at all imo.
Agreed, there are many terrible players at 2k and many decent players at 1400. Elo isn't a very good indicator of skill since there are so many intangibles in a solo rating like how good you are at carrying feeders, what role you play, your teamwork etc. A lot of the pro players @ dreamhack are only around 1800 solo.
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On June 19 2011 06:52 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:51 Kipsate wrote:On June 19 2011 06:44 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 06:30 xarthaz wrote:On June 19 2011 06:12 GizmoPT wrote:
if i remember well some time ago when there were less tournaments and streams i remember 150k+ streams for starcraft :X So which one? And live report thread or osmething to back it`? The only number that is reported to be comparable to the 193k+ that LoL had today had been the Boxer GOM game which strangely doesnt have viewer count information anywhere. Im sorry but it needs more than urban legend to prove that something is the biggest esport event of all time. Today, LoL did it. SC2? Maybe, but remains to be proved. Yeah its easy to say LoL is the biggest thing since sliced bread when the biggest E-SPORT leagues in the world MLG and GSL don't release viewer counts to their streams. TL search box is pretty awful when trying to find specific thread from the past. It is known. Also where is your proof that LoL hit 193k? Since you seem to be so interested in proof for every little statement. Been at 77k all day today, not taking in account pando media booster. If the GSL didn't release the viewer count, then where did you get the 700k number? Also the biggest E-sport league is the OSL, which gets more viewers then anything, on TV. MLG is not a league, its an event, GSL is a league. Major League Gaming They released it for one game.
Then link it where it says that GSL had 700k live viewers.
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LoL sitting at 70k viewers even after its over...
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what you mean esports isn't sc2?
lol jk
starcraft is just getting a lot of new people into esports so they don't know that there are other games that make up esports.
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On June 19 2011 06:44 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:30 xarthaz wrote:On June 19 2011 06:12 GizmoPT wrote:
if i remember well some time ago when there were less tournaments and streams i remember 150k+ streams for starcraft :X So which one? And live report thread or osmething to back it`? The only number that is reported to be comparable to the 193k+ that LoL had today had been the Boxer GOM game which strangely doesnt have viewer count information anywhere. Im sorry but it needs more than urban legend to prove that something is the biggest esport event of all time. Today, LoL did it. SC2? Maybe, but remains to be proved. Yeah its easy to say LoL is the biggest thing since sliced bread when the biggest E-SPORT leagues in the world MLG and GSL don't release viewer counts to their streams. TL search box is pretty awful when trying to find specific thread from the past. It is known. Also where is your proof that LoL hit 193k? Since you seem to be so interested in proof for every little statement. Been at 77k all day today, not taking in account pando media booster.
Would like to hear elaboration on the pando media booster claims. The mods on LoL forums have claimed it to be BS. As for 193k, just look in LoL forums, dozens of threads on this(personally i witnessed 183k on main stream and 10-11k on second stream during one of the clg games)
Cant link any relevant search results because LoL forums search works on post data, not url variables.
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LoL uses pando media booster for downloading game assets and patches ONLY. It has nothing to do with the stream at all, which is just a own3d.tv stream
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On June 19 2011 06:54 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:52 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 06:51 Kipsate wrote:On June 19 2011 06:44 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 06:30 xarthaz wrote:On June 19 2011 06:12 GizmoPT wrote:
if i remember well some time ago when there were less tournaments and streams i remember 150k+ streams for starcraft :X So which one? And live report thread or osmething to back it`? The only number that is reported to be comparable to the 193k+ that LoL had today had been the Boxer GOM game which strangely doesnt have viewer count information anywhere. Im sorry but it needs more than urban legend to prove that something is the biggest esport event of all time. Today, LoL did it. SC2? Maybe, but remains to be proved. Yeah its easy to say LoL is the biggest thing since sliced bread when the biggest E-SPORT leagues in the world MLG and GSL don't release viewer counts to their streams. TL search box is pretty awful when trying to find specific thread from the past. It is known. Also where is your proof that LoL hit 193k? Since you seem to be so interested in proof for every little statement. Been at 77k all day today, not taking in account pando media booster. If the GSL didn't release the viewer count, then where did you get the 700k number? Also the biggest E-sport league is the OSL, which gets more viewers then anything, on TV. MLG is not a league, its an event, GSL is a league. Major League Gaming They released it for one game. Then link it where it says that GSL had 700k live viewers.
It has never had that. It was the number of views for a VOD. I believe it was between boxer and nada during one of the early GSLs.
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On June 19 2011 07:03 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:54 Kipsate wrote:On June 19 2011 06:52 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 06:51 Kipsate wrote:On June 19 2011 06:44 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 06:30 xarthaz wrote:On June 19 2011 06:12 GizmoPT wrote:
if i remember well some time ago when there were less tournaments and streams i remember 150k+ streams for starcraft :X So which one? And live report thread or osmething to back it`? The only number that is reported to be comparable to the 193k+ that LoL had today had been the Boxer GOM game which strangely doesnt have viewer count information anywhere. Im sorry but it needs more than urban legend to prove that something is the biggest esport event of all time. Today, LoL did it. SC2? Maybe, but remains to be proved. Yeah its easy to say LoL is the biggest thing since sliced bread when the biggest E-SPORT leagues in the world MLG and GSL don't release viewer counts to their streams. TL search box is pretty awful when trying to find specific thread from the past. It is known. Also where is your proof that LoL hit 193k? Since you seem to be so interested in proof for every little statement. Been at 77k all day today, not taking in account pando media booster. If the GSL didn't release the viewer count, then where did you get the 700k number? Also the biggest E-sport league is the OSL, which gets more viewers then anything, on TV. MLG is not a league, its an event, GSL is a league. Major League Gaming They released it for one game. Then link it where it says that GSL had 700k live viewers. It has never had that. It was the number of views for a VOD. I believe it was between boxer and nada during one of the early GSLs.
Exactly, he can't link it because it didn't happen.
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I don't really get what goes on in the big LoL battles. I can follow it kinda before that. Maybe people who watch SC2 get the same feeling after some banelings or colossus roll an army in 2 seconds.
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On June 19 2011 07:06 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 07:03 Senx wrote:On June 19 2011 06:54 Kipsate wrote:On June 19 2011 06:52 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 06:51 Kipsate wrote:On June 19 2011 06:44 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 06:30 xarthaz wrote:On June 19 2011 06:12 GizmoPT wrote:
if i remember well some time ago when there were less tournaments and streams i remember 150k+ streams for starcraft :X So which one? And live report thread or osmething to back it`? The only number that is reported to be comparable to the 193k+ that LoL had today had been the Boxer GOM game which strangely doesnt have viewer count information anywhere. Im sorry but it needs more than urban legend to prove that something is the biggest esport event of all time. Today, LoL did it. SC2? Maybe, but remains to be proved. Yeah its easy to say LoL is the biggest thing since sliced bread when the biggest E-SPORT leagues in the world MLG and GSL don't release viewer counts to their streams. TL search box is pretty awful when trying to find specific thread from the past. It is known. Also where is your proof that LoL hit 193k? Since you seem to be so interested in proof for every little statement. Been at 77k all day today, not taking in account pando media booster. If the GSL didn't release the viewer count, then where did you get the 700k number? Also the biggest E-sport league is the OSL, which gets more viewers then anything, on TV. MLG is not a league, its an event, GSL is a league. Major League Gaming They released it for one game. Then link it where it says that GSL had 700k live viewers. It has never had that. It was the number of views for a VOD. I believe it was between boxer and nada during one of the early GSLs. Exactly, he can't link it because it didn't happen.
And you believe LoL had 193k stream viewers but cant believe the biggest figure in esport's first match in sc2 couldn't have 700k viewers before the stream crashed.
Wasn't even verses Nada. Show me the thread where it says it was a Vod views and not stream views and verses Nada. You are agreeing to statements when they're isnt even proof.
It was posted on a Korean page and linked to TL via SS. I don't read Korean so what? Absence of evidence inst evidence of absence.
Please continue calling me a liar. LoL'ers need to Chill
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Fair enough I yield, from that post it really does seem 700k for Boxer's first match
but I highly doubt that it is still the same .
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Please continue calling me a liar. LoL'ers need to Chill
Everyone needs to chill, this whole topic is a pointless and stupid LoL vs SC2 debate that has no reason for existing
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I don't know what the point of arguing that Boxer had 700k viewers for his first SC2 game is, they tuned in for boxer, not SC2
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On June 19 2011 07:14 floor exercise wrote:
I don't know what the point of arguing that Boxer had 700k viewers for his first SC2 game is, they tuned in for boxer, not SC2
Your proof for that?
We can say that the claimed 193k viewers for LoL showed up for the casters or the players not LoL.
Slippery Slope?
In fact I'm done with this thread. I need to go chill my self. I've proven my point, good day.
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On June 19 2011 07:12 Kipsate wrote:
Fair enough I yield, from that post it really does seem 700k for Boxer's first match
but I highly doubt that it is still the same .
and you think LoL will allways have this kind of numbers ? lol
people like to see when stuff looks fresh lets some months pass
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On June 19 2011 07:15 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 07:14 floor exercise wrote:
I don't know what the point of arguing that Boxer had 700k viewers for his first SC2 game is, they tuned in for boxer, not SC2 Your proof for that? We can say that the claimed 193k viewers for LoL showed up for the casters or the players not LoL. Slippery Slope?
It was dubbed the Boxer effect. I think you're just arguing for the sake of it now
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One thing to take into consideration is that LoL doesn't have professional matches with big money on the line streamed daily like SC2 does. There are a lot of people that play both games and it isn't often that LoL gets this kind of exposure. Noone is going to argue the "skill" between a game like SC2 and LoL it's down right idiotic to do so. It's LoL's one big show case and has a lot of viewers where as SC2 pulls in these numbers consistently.
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