EPTSure, LoL is a simple/"dumbed down" version of DOTA but so is SC2 compared to its own predecessor.
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Aurra
United States469 Posts
Sure, LoL is a simple/"dumbed down" version of DOTA but so is SC2 compared to its own predecessor. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
And observer mode (but not yet replays). And it's being restreamed, since it started at around 4:00 am EST, so there is a reason to stay watching the stream, jeez. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
If anything this shows LoL's potential as an E-Sport, but at this point it doesn't even compare to SC2 in terms of event count, spectator appeal(good luck having pure spectators know what every champion does), and community cohesion(TL). This is the most major E-Sports event in LoL's history, and there are no threadnoughts on community sites, no mega sponsors, no big crowds, no huge production values, etc. Maybe in the future that will change, but SC2 will surely grow in that time as well. With all that said, More people playing LoL=More people watching LoL streams=More people watching tournaments like Dreamhack and looking at sites like Justin.tv=More people watching SC2. Also, the games aren't even remotely similar so I don't see LoL stealing SC2's fanbase any time soon. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On June 19 2011 05:26 Aurra wrote: SC2 players calling LoL a casual game seems a bit ironic. Sure, LoL is a simple/"dumbed down" version of DOTA but so is SC2 compared to its own predecessor. I don't think the comparison is fair. Starcraft: BW was ridiculously hard. You had to make it a brutal full-time job just to be considered a pro...can you really say the same for DOTA? I think SC2 is very close in the perfect balance of hard and casual friendly...personally I wish it'd be a little harder but that won't change. Also, while LoL is getting massive views, only time will tell if it could be consistant. I think it is getting so much views because it is the first LoL tournament of this caliber, while SC2 has this shit year round. DotA2 on the other hand could compete if it delivers. | ||
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Congster
Germany23 Posts
Im so happy to see eSports growing, no matter which game taking part in it. Imagine 180000 people cheering for 2 Teams. Football Stadiums getting filled with fans. Thats truly amazing! | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On June 19 2011 05:42 Whole wrote: I don't think the comparison is fair. Starcraft: BW was ridiculously hard. You had to make it a brutal full-time job just to be considered a pro...can you really say the same for DOTA? I think SC2 is very close in the perfect balance of hard and casual friendly...personally I wish it'd be a little harder but that won't change. Also, while LoL is getting massive views, only time will tell if it could be consistant. I think it is getting so much views because it is the first LoL tournament of this caliber, while SC2 has this shit year round. DotA2 on the other hand could compete if it delivers. LoL peaked at like 70K just for the North American qualifiers too. NESL matches with CLG can peak at 10K. People watching popular streamers like bigfatjiji, saintvicious, HotshotGG, or the Solomid stream can get 5-6K sometimes of them just playing games. I understand people not liking LoL but calling it "casual" and "not a real eSport" is dumb. I started playing and watching LoL because I just didn't get into SC2 the way I got into Brood War and I still watch Brood War matches but have no clue what's going on in professional SC2. It got boring for me for the same reason a lot of people in this thread don't like LoL. People just have different tastes, no point in bashing on one or the other because one is successful. Besides, if LoL gets super big it will only mean good things for SC2 and LoL has a lot of potential. | ||
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Dazer
239 Posts
This is where the real stuff is atm. MvC3 , SSF4AE woot woot | ||
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
Day9 - 56802 ICCup - 2122 Khaldor - 4574 GLHF - 595 RageQuit - 1996 TB - 7390 SETT TV - 369 = 73848 I don't see how LoL is any bigger then SC2. I think they're pretty much equal, and if I had to argue, I'd say SC2 is bigger just because it hasn't been out as long as LoL. I don't really see why people are bashing a game that is being successful as an esport and saying that it's a dumbed down version of another game? Be a little bit more respectful for the environment you're posting in. And stop bashing the thing that everyone is trying hard to work towards. Sorry that SC2 isn't the only video game ever made. | ||
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LeLeech
United Kingdom211 Posts
On June 19 2011 05:33 zalz wrote: And people wonder why Esports doesn't get taken seriously. Probably because any game with a prize pool is considered an 'e-sport.' | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On June 19 2011 06:02 MonkSEA wrote: SC2 is about the same as LoL in terms of Dreamhack viewership. At the moment: Day9 - 56802 ICCup - 2122 Khaldor - 4574 GLHF - 595 RageQuit - 1996 TB - 7390 SETT TV - 369 = 73848 I don't see how LoL is any bigger then SC2. I think they're pretty much equal, and if I had to argue, I'd say SC2 is bigger just because it hasn't been out as long as LoL. I don't really see why people are bashing a game that is being successful as an esport and saying that it's a dumbed down version of another game? Be a little bit more respectful for the environment you're posting in. And stop bashing the thing that everyone is trying hard to work towards. Sorry that SC2 isn't the only video game ever made. +goodgame.ru lol | ||
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socommaster123
United States578 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On June 19 2011 06:02 MonkSEA wrote: SC2 is about the same as LoL in terms of Dreamhack viewership. At the moment: Day9 - 56802 ICCup - 2122 Khaldor - 4574 GLHF - 595 RageQuit - 1996 TB - 7390 SETT TV - 369 = 73848 I don't see how LoL is any bigger then SC2. I think they're pretty much equal, and if I had to argue, I'd say SC2 is bigger just because it hasn't been out as long as LoL. I don't really see why people are bashing a game that is being successful as an esport and saying that it's a dumbed down version of another game? Be a little bit more respectful for the environment you're posting in. And stop bashing the thing that everyone is trying hard to work towards. Sorry that SC2 isn't the only video game ever made. Well LoL hit about 190k if you count lq stream. On June 19 2011 05:42 Whole wrote: I don't think the comparison is fair. Starcraft: BW was ridiculously hard. You had to make it a brutal full-time job just to be considered a pro...can you really say the same for DOTA? I think SC2 is very close in the perfect balance of hard and casual friendly...personally I wish it'd be a little harder but that won't change. Also, while LoL is getting massive views, only time will tell if it could be consistant. I think it is getting so much views because it is the first LoL tournament of this caliber, while SC2 has this shit year round. DotA2 on the other hand could compete if it delivers. Dota was incredibly hardcore, you need a team of 5, you need knowledge of every single champion, and it basically has equally wonky mechanics as BW. DotA had vastly more big option than BW which leads to more big and tiny decision making. | ||
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LGDArm
Canada27 Posts
On June 19 2011 06:02 MonkSEA wrote: SC2 is about the same as LoL in terms of Dreamhack viewership. At the moment: Day9 - 56802 ICCup - 2122 Khaldor - 4574 GLHF - 595 RageQuit - 1996 TB - 7390 SETT TV - 369 = 73848 I don't see how LoL is any bigger then SC2. I think they're pretty much equal, and if I had to argue, I'd say SC2 is bigger just because it hasn't been out as long as LoL. I don't really see why people are bashing a game that is being successful as an esport and saying that it's a dumbed down version of another game? Be a little bit more respectful for the environment you're posting in. And stop bashing the thing that everyone is trying hard to work towards. Sorry that SC2 isn't the only video game ever made. To be fair, LoL is on rebroadcasting the day's matches. At its peak, I believe LoL reached 180-190k viewers. Personally, I think SC2 is still the goto e-sport for NA, but I think this is a good step for LoL and e-sports in general. | ||
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rizzla
United States45 Posts
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GaurdKnight
United States15 Posts
Something like 30K+ compared to SC2 2k | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On June 19 2011 05:49 overt wrote: LoL peaked at like 70K just for the North American qualifiers too. NESL matches with CLG can peak at 10K. People watching popular streamers like bigfatjiji, saintvicious, HotshotGG, or the Solomid stream can get 5-6K sometimes of them just playing games. I understand people not liking LoL but calling it "casual" and "not a real eSport" is dumb. I started playing and watching LoL because I just didn't get into SC2 the way I got into Brood War and I still watch Brood War matches but have no clue what's going on in professional SC2. It got boring for me for the same reason a lot of people in this thread don't like LoL. People just have different tastes, no point in bashing on one or the other because one is successful. Besides, if LoL gets super big it will only mean good things for SC2 and LoL has a lot of potential. Meh, I'm nearing 2k Elo on LoL and I play once a week at most, I just don't think it has much potential as an E-sport as the skill cap is relatively low, it has a lot of glitches that break it competitively, and Riot is clueless on balancing. Fun game though. And I believe when Idra was talking during his games he got like 25k viewers just laddering, which is more than I've ever seen from Hotshot or Regi's stream. Does anyone know how many viewers the GSL finals have gotten throughout the season when including the Koreans? I'd be interested to know. Whatever makes people happy though, that's the whole point of video games in the end. And Riot needs name changes, someone had my name when I first started so I picked kind of a crappy name, now I kind of regret it. >_> | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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Znoz
Latvia127 Posts
If that online had some game like CS, or QL, or at least Dota - i would sit with cheshire smile... but lol imo it not deserves it and people just wasting time (gamers). | ||
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