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So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time.
On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf:
On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 03:40 Domination wrote:
Man this thread just keeps getting worse and worse but morbid curiousity is getting the better of me. So much angst over an extremely trivial thing. "Oh noes, LoL's one tournament is getting as many views as MLG Columbus, which is one of many tournaments". Yeesh. No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself. Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
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I just refuse to believe that 85k people are watching nothing happen, (currently on LoL stream)
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On June 19 2011 05:04 xarthaz wrote:So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time. Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf: Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 03:40 Domination wrote:
Man this thread just keeps getting worse and worse but morbid curiousity is getting the better of me. So much angst over an extremely trivial thing. "Oh noes, LoL's one tournament is getting as many views as MLG Columbus, which is one of many tournaments". Yeesh. No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself. Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
LoL is the most popular esport with 170k viewers?
Starcraft 2 has hit 700,000 viewers over on GomTV before their stream crashed from the overload.
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On June 19 2011 05:06 Proxity wrote:
I just refuse to believe that 85k people are watching nothing happen, (currently on LoL stream)
im watching the girl
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On June 18 2011 19:38 Kickboxer wrote:
I'm positive that only Sc2 and fighting games are even remotely watchable to non-players.
Diablo might get in there if casuals can understand what's going on.
Shooters and WoW have zero spectator appeal, and LoL is in the same league but has a massive and very casual playerbase so a huge tourney here and there might get some viewers (those numbers are most probably broken, though).
That's just your opinion. During the SC2 Beta, I kinda got bored of SC2 at some point and started watching some LoL. It was fun.
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On June 19 2011 05:08 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 05:04 xarthaz wrote:So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time. On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf: On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 03:40 Domination wrote:
Man this thread just keeps getting worse and worse but morbid curiousity is getting the better of me. So much angst over an extremely trivial thing. "Oh noes, LoL's one tournament is getting as many views as MLG Columbus, which is one of many tournaments". Yeesh. No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself. Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence LoL is the most popular esport with 170k viewers? Starcraft 2 has hit 700,000 viewers over on GomTV before their stream crashed from the overload.
Wow. When? Do you have a link to the thread about the event?
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On June 19 2011 05:13 shalafi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 05:08 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 05:04 xarthaz wrote:So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time. On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf: On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 03:40 Domination wrote:
Man this thread just keeps getting worse and worse but morbid curiousity is getting the better of me. So much angst over an extremely trivial thing. "Oh noes, LoL's one tournament is getting as many views as MLG Columbus, which is one of many tournaments". Yeesh. No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself. Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence LoL is the most popular esport with 170k viewers? Starcraft 2 has hit 700,000 viewers over on GomTV before their stream crashed from the overload. Wow. When? Do you have a link to the thread about the event?
Was Boxer's first GSL game I think.
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On June 19 2011 05:13 shalafi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 05:08 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 05:04 xarthaz wrote:So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time. On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf: On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 03:40 Domination wrote:
Man this thread just keeps getting worse and worse but morbid curiousity is getting the better of me. So much angst over an extremely trivial thing. "Oh noes, LoL's one tournament is getting as many views as MLG Columbus, which is one of many tournaments". Yeesh. No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself. Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence LoL is the most popular esport with 170k viewers? Starcraft 2 has hit 700,000 viewers over on GomTV before their stream crashed from the overload. Wow. When? Do you have a link to the thread about the event?
That was when Boxer first played in the GSL. Keep in mind that in Korea almost every young person knows Boxer and the numbers dropped off a bit after that debut.
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On June 19 2011 05:13 shalafi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 05:08 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 05:04 xarthaz wrote:So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time. On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf: On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 03:40 Domination wrote:
Man this thread just keeps getting worse and worse but morbid curiousity is getting the better of me. So much angst over an extremely trivial thing. "Oh noes, LoL's one tournament is getting as many views as MLG Columbus, which is one of many tournaments". Yeesh. No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself. Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence LoL is the most popular esport with 170k viewers? Starcraft 2 has hit 700,000 viewers over on GomTV before their stream crashed from the overload. Wow. When? Do you have a link to the thread about the event?
Looking for the thread. Its Slayers_Boxer's first appearance in GSL. I will edit it into this post once I or someone finds it.
Also it was before SC2 was on Television. Something LoL has not acomplished yet people are stating LoL is the more popular esport lol.....
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On June 19 2011 05:08 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 05:04 xarthaz wrote:So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time. On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf: On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 03:40 Domination wrote:
Man this thread just keeps getting worse and worse but morbid curiousity is getting the better of me. So much angst over an extremely trivial thing. "Oh noes, LoL's one tournament is getting as many views as MLG Columbus, which is one of many tournaments". Yeesh. No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself. Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence LoL is the most popular esport with 170k viewers? Starcraft 2 has hit 700,000 viewers over on GomTV before their stream crashed from the overload.
And yet you think LoL manipulates their numbers to hit 170k? Is it that hard to believe that it got 170k viewers, or do you just argue for the sake of arguing?
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On June 18 2011 18:51 Tenz wrote:I apologize for the thread title, I couldn't figure out how else to put it and hopefully I've posted this in the correct forum  . What I'm curious about and want to hear peoples opinions on are what games are blooming into full ESPORTS ? The reason I ask is because I'm mainly a SC2 person, I play lots of video games but currently the only one I spectate and play seriously is Starcraft 2. However, I'm looking at the Dreamhack stuff and noticing the SC2 streams at roughly 10k all up (from the ones I can see) and then I switch to my other tab and notice LoL with 80k+ viewers. Now I've always been told that LoL has a very small competitive scene and is only in WCG etc because Riot Games really pushes it hard, but this had made me question things. TLDR; So guys and gals in summary, what games do you think are quickly becoming full blown ESPORTS, which games do you see having a long-term future and which games have enough money flowing around the circuits to become a professional career for players?
You answered your own answer OP and theres nothing to talk about except for your only question in the TLDR.
SC2 has 6 streams for DH, as you said each has about 10k. Day9 atm on his has literally 50k viewers right now. That's half of LoL audience on 1/6 SC2 streams.
LoL also doesn't have any gigantic tournaments like DH, this is rare they get to see their game in such a venue. That's a big factor to include when comparing viewers. Everyone is gonna watch this LoL tournament .
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One easy way to see some indication of numbers, by the way: on GameFAQs the League of Legends board has been consistently more active (by number of users, which is how the top 10 boards per system are ranked) than the SC2 board. The only competition it has for the #1 most active PC game board is WoW, and right now and often in the past the LoL board is more active than the WoW board.
It's certainly possible that GameFAQs is not indicative of the respective popularity of the two games, but at least among people who visit GameFAQs and go on the forums LoL is significantly more popular than SC2.
LoL is getting huge viewer numbers because the playerbase really is that big. Definitely larger than SC2.
The number 1 most important thing to having a large competitive scene is to have a very large playerbase to begin with (second most important is to be a good competitive game, but it seems to me to be clearly far less important than just having a ton of players in the first place). SSBB is a great example. LoL is another example. WoW is an example. SC2 is an example. LoL's competitive scene is actually very small for the number of players it has (like EzPz said, no one in NA plays ranked 5's as a team, and events are very rare). There are certainly great competitive games that don't have huge scenes because they're just not popular games to begin with. In the US Brood War certainly fits into that category at this point.
SC2 clearly has the bigger competitive scene overall, but while I was surprised at seeing 170k people watching the LoL stream I don't for a second doubt that that number is correct.
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On June 19 2011 05:08 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 05:04 xarthaz wrote:So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time. On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf: On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 03:40 Domination wrote:
Man this thread just keeps getting worse and worse but morbid curiousity is getting the better of me. So much angst over an extremely trivial thing. "Oh noes, LoL's one tournament is getting as many views as MLG Columbus, which is one of many tournaments". Yeesh. No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself. Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence LoL is the most popular esport with 170k viewers? Starcraft 2 has hit 700,000 viewers over on GomTV before their stream crashed from the overload.
the highest viewcount i saw was 193k on both streams together in lol today.
and the 700k was vod view count, not live count.
On March 29 2011 05:00 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 04:43 Reason.SC2 wrote:On March 29 2011 04:28 GhostFall wrote:
boxer's first gsl game brought 700k viewers for gomtv.
blizzcon had a live audience of 40k was that 700k live viewers or VOD views? 700k VODS views(from the first screenshot) but there was a ALOOOOOOOOOOT of people who tuned in that day live
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On June 19 2011 05:16 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 05:08 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 05:04 xarthaz wrote:So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time. On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf: On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 03:40 Domination wrote:
Man this thread just keeps getting worse and worse but morbid curiousity is getting the better of me. So much angst over an extremely trivial thing. "Oh noes, LoL's one tournament is getting as many views as MLG Columbus, which is one of many tournaments". Yeesh. No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself. Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence LoL is the most popular esport with 170k viewers? Starcraft 2 has hit 700,000 viewers over on GomTV before their stream crashed from the overload. the highest viewcount i saw was 193k on both streams together in lol today. and the 700k was vod view count, not live count. Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 05:00 SmoKim wrote:On March 29 2011 04:43 Reason.SC2 wrote:On March 29 2011 04:28 GhostFall wrote:
boxer's first gsl game brought 700k viewers for gomtv.
blizzcon had a live audience of 40k was that 700k live viewers or VOD views? 700k VODS views(from the first screenshot) but there was a ALOOOOOOOOOOT of people who tuned in that day live
Why would 700,000 Vod view counts make their stream overload and crash?
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I'll break it down for you. Stop whining about LoL vs. SC2.
1. SC2 is older, the company has more experience, is more professional, has deeper roots in professional gaming, has more teams, more tournaments, more casters.
2. LoL reaches a less-competitive fanbase and yet is still competitive, is closer to the community (if unprofessional), and topped 160,000+ viewers at Dreamhack.
They provide a different style of entertainment. LoL is sort of like baseball because there are tons of stats to keep in check throughout the game: which summoner spells are being used; which items are being purchased; what is the creep kill situation; dragon/baron; which ultimates are up/down, etc... This has a massive appeal for the casual watcher because this information compliments the ebb and flow style of the game. Sure there are times when it may be a standoff at Baron, but the action tends to be in bursts.
SC2 is sort of like basketball because statistics are often interrupted by on-the-field action. Advantages are built up slowly as one player gains a macro advantage, etc... whole armies get traded and rebuilt with subtle advantages gained. Sometimes (as in basketball) one team gets on a streak and it forces the other team to take risks to come back.
Quality is still in the hands of SC2. Casting quality is better; Graphics are better; the UI for commentating and replays is better overall (in LoL there are weird glitches and delays they are still working out).
But one thing that is attractive about LoL is that it emphasizes team play. This is a bigger deal than SC2 enthusiasts realizes. Sure there are SC2 "teams," but the cream is 1v1. LoL takes e-sports in a very different direction in a very accessible form. As many have mentioned HoN and Dota were difficult to spectate; LoL threads the needle and gives a powerful, watchable team-game environment. People like this and so they watch. Stop QQing about counter bugs. LoL needs work, but people like it.
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On June 19 2011 05:08 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 05:04 xarthaz wrote:So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time. On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf: On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 03:40 Domination wrote:
Man this thread just keeps getting worse and worse but morbid curiousity is getting the better of me. So much angst over an extremely trivial thing. "Oh noes, LoL's one tournament is getting as many views as MLG Columbus, which is one of many tournaments". Yeesh. No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself. Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence LoL is the most popular esport with 170k viewers? Starcraft 2 has hit 700,000 viewers over on GomTV before their stream crashed from the overload.
That was of a VOD not live.
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On June 19 2011 05:18 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 05:16 xarthaz wrote:On June 19 2011 05:08 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 05:04 xarthaz wrote:So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time. On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf: On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 03:40 Domination wrote:
Man this thread just keeps getting worse and worse but morbid curiousity is getting the better of me. So much angst over an extremely trivial thing. "Oh noes, LoL's one tournament is getting as many views as MLG Columbus, which is one of many tournaments". Yeesh. No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself. Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence LoL is the most popular esport with 170k viewers? Starcraft 2 has hit 700,000 viewers over on GomTV before their stream crashed from the overload. the highest viewcount i saw was 193k on both streams together in lol today. and the 700k was vod view count, not live count. On March 29 2011 05:00 SmoKim wrote:On March 29 2011 04:43 Reason.SC2 wrote:On March 29 2011 04:28 GhostFall wrote:
boxer's first gsl game brought 700k viewers for gomtv.
blizzcon had a live audience of 40k was that 700k live viewers or VOD views? 700k VODS views(from the first screenshot) but there was a ALOOOOOOOOOOT of people who tuned in that day live Why would 700,000 Vod view counts make their stream overload and crash?
sure there was a lot of live viewers. no proof of there being more than the 193k of LoL today though.
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On June 19 2011 05:19 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 05:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 05:16 xarthaz wrote:On June 19 2011 05:08 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 05:04 xarthaz wrote:So speculation is the only thing you guys got left? After the stream embed claims got debunked, now all the defense left is that if the state of affairs in the world were a bit different, so would the results? Well yes, however the reality we live in, is not that which you imagine. As such, it is demonstrated according to current viewership statistics that LoL is the most popular Esport of All time. On June 19 2011 04:59 Znoz wrote:
And for example - add 50$ price to LoL , and make HoN f2p - people will play an be fanboys of HoN , or Dota - i think it's not matter of game itself - commercial + casuality + f2p = many students happy. :trf: On June 19 2011 04:55 Thurokiir wrote:On June 18 2011 18:59 Phenny wrote:
25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.
I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!
Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing. Because when you log into LoL the login screen is one huge link to get into the LoL stream, blizzard doesn't feel like doing stuff like that. WTB More company support plz ty. On June 19 2011 05:04 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:On June 19 2011 04:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 19 2011 04:04 De4ngus wrote:On June 19 2011 03:47 LeLeech wrote:
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No one cares how many viewers LoL is getting compared to any sc2 tournament. Its the fact that they are using software which forces stream views upon people who login League itself.
Yay lets lie so sc2 seems cooler. What kind of comment is that. This isn't high school. We are all nerd/geeks here, do you really think anyone cares if sc2 is cooler than what ever is on the xbox or pc or whatever? No reason to call lie to people, its a well known fact Riot uses pando media booster. LoL'ers need to Chill You claim something and never posted any source or proof that Riot artifically increases stream views, yet you call people out for calling you a liar? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence LoL is the most popular esport with 170k viewers? Starcraft 2 has hit 700,000 viewers over on GomTV before their stream crashed from the overload. the highest viewcount i saw was 193k on both streams together in lol today. and the 700k was vod view count, not live count. On March 29 2011 05:00 SmoKim wrote:On March 29 2011 04:43 Reason.SC2 wrote:On March 29 2011 04:28 GhostFall wrote:
boxer's first gsl game brought 700k viewers for gomtv.
blizzcon had a live audience of 40k was that 700k live viewers or VOD views? 700k VODS views(from the first screenshot) but there was a ALOOOOOOOOOOT of people who tuned in that day live Why would 700,000 Vod view counts make their stream overload and crash? sure there was a lot of live viewers. no proof of there being more than the 193k of LoL today though.
No proof that 193k was higher than the sc2 stream view which was 700,000 and made their stream crash.
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this thread is just fucking sad
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On June 19 2011 05:22 mahnini wrote:
this thread is just fucking sad
was about to post the same ;(
Not worth sorting through I'm afraid.
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