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Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
June 09 2011 15:40 GMT
#81
I was thinking doing macro : enter-gg-enter-f10-n
but i wouldn't want to press it by mistake (>_<)

To the point. It was stupid of steelseries and Grubby to promote it this way. It makes people believe that it isn't illegal.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
June 09 2011 15:40 GMT
#82
On June 10 2011 00:38 Marcus420 wrote:
talk about misleading title.

how is it misleading? using macro's is cheating, grubby makes a video promoting it. He would've had a chance to say no and he didn't. If he cares more about money than the rules of the game, he's not better than a hacker.
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
June 09 2011 15:40 GMT
#83
He's promoting his sponsor, and there's a disclaimer. You know who else fully supports and licenses products that have macro commands? Blizzard themselves. Take a look at the Razer SC2 keyboard. A major feature of the keyboard is that it records macros on the fly, and is a DIRECT Starcraft 2 product endorsed by Blizzard.

This is a complete non-issue.
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
June 09 2011 15:40 GMT
#84
the select idol workers one can be done with 1 key anyways right? Isn't that hotkey programmable within the game itself?
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Cuiu
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany410 Posts
June 09 2011 15:40 GMT
#85
On June 10 2011 00:32 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 00:15 emesen wrote:
On June 10 2011 00:09 RmpL wrote:
How is using simple keyboard macros cheating?


because it is?

this post is so full of knowledge i dont know where to begin.

Its cheating because using anything to do more than 1 seperate thing at a time = cheating in blizz ToS

example = 1 button trains 9 marines, instead of you hitting a 9 times thats cheating in blizz ToS


and when you have just 1/2/3 rax?
your macro is so intelligent to just produce 1 for each rax?
and what is when you want 3 marauder and 3 marines
but the next time only 2 marauder and 4marines

macros are fucking useless
you are much more worse with than without
Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
June 09 2011 15:41 GMT
#86
I don't get it, whom is this marketed towards? Idiots? even using this on ladder can get you banned as far as I know, Grub you better get a big sum of $$$ for this because its not exactly great PR...
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Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 15:48:44
June 09 2011 15:42 GMT
#87
On June 10 2011 00:40 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 00:38 Marcus420 wrote:
talk about misleading title.

how is it misleading? using macro's is cheating, grubby makes a video promoting it. He would've had a chance to say no and he didn't. If he cares more about money than the rules of the game, he's not better than a hacker.

i think i may have read the title wrong first, but it comes off as calling grubby a cheater/hacker. Thats what i meant.

even im pretty bad at this game and dont see how macro's would help you get any better.

its not like macros give you a ridiculous and unfair advantage, like a map hack which alot make it sound like.

If anything, blame SteelSeries, and not grubby.
Dwelf
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands365 Posts
June 09 2011 15:42 GMT
#88
Its not like actually using macro's would give anyone a significant advantage. I wonder if 2 equally skilled players played a couple of games. Then one of them plays with macro's It probably wouldn't even change the outcome of the game.
The example of how to 'Counter' a pending mutalisk attack is just hilarious cause its probably even smarter to just handpick the units you wanna make instead of some preset bunch of units. If you dont have the gas/minerals for the units then it doesn't even make them, for example if you macro your marines to come out before the thors, and you really want thors but then have no cash for thors, your macro actually didn't help you atall.
Macro's are for lazy people not for cheaters.
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Klaas
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovenia86 Posts
June 09 2011 15:42 GMT
#89
It's like one of those tabloid headlines. Non-story in my opinion, but I guess OP just wants his thread to be popular.
maJes
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom186 Posts
June 09 2011 15:42 GMT
#90
On June 10 2011 00:40 Mikilatov wrote:
He's promoting his sponsor, and there's a disclaimer. You know who else fully supports and licenses products that have macro commands? Blizzard themselves. Take a look at the Razer SC2 keyboard. A major feature of the keyboard is that it records macros on the fly, and is a DIRECT Starcraft 2 product endorsed by Blizzard.

This is a complete non-issue.


The crucial difference is that Blizzard don't promote the macros for use in their games (just take a look at the wording on the feature).

From the sounds of it (can't watch as at work) Grubby is directly promoting the use of the product for things which are against the TOS, so I would assume it is an issue.
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TMOUllrich
Profile Joined February 2011
England59 Posts
June 09 2011 15:42 GMT
#91
Why is everyone refusing to acknowledge that Blizzard promotes the keyboards ?!?!?

http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001143
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 15:46:43
June 09 2011 15:43 GMT
#92
On June 10 2011 00:41 Bloodash wrote:
I don't get it, whom is this marketed towards? Idiots? even using this on ladder can get you banned as far as I know, Grub you better get a big sum of $$$ for this because its not exactly great PR...


Blizzard doesn't monitor keystrokes so how would they know you are using a macro keyboard. This is more a matter of taste amongst players using this than Blizzard giving a crap.
There's no S in KT. :P
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
June 09 2011 15:44 GMT
#93
I'm sure they'll take down the video once they realise it's actually against Blizzard's ToS to use any type of macro function other than a direct 1:1 remapping. I think it's just a simple case of ignorance rather than anything else.
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Gurgl
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden308 Posts
June 09 2011 15:44 GMT
#94
Hehe well that commercial isn´t good for Steelseries image towards anyone who has a clue about playing RTS games.

Alot of gaminggear is overrated but noobs buy what the pros use apparently which is good for esports. Most progamers use whatever gaminggear their sponsors want them to use as long as it's not terrible, you can get used to most stuff.
Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 15:46:06
June 09 2011 15:45 GMT
#95
On June 10 2011 00:40 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 00:38 Marcus420 wrote:
talk about misleading title.

how is it misleading? using macro's is cheating, grubby makes a video promoting it. He would've had a chance to say no and he didn't. If he cares more about money than the rules of the game, he's not better than a hacker.


It's misleading because if i knew what was the content of the op, i would never check it. "Cheat" is a strong word, you can't use it like it's not a big deal, the Title is clearly attacking Grubby for something completely in my eyes "minor";

It is minor because everybody knows in competitive play macro are not allowed. And Blizzard can't do nothing about people using macros in a non competitive environement i.e ladder for example. So for me this op is bad.
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
June 09 2011 15:46 GMT
#96
This is stupid...
You know what I'm talking about
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 15:48:13
June 09 2011 15:46 GMT
#97
On June 10 2011 00:42 TMOUllrich wrote:
Why is everyone refusing to acknowledge that Blizzard promotes the keyboards ?!?!?

http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001143

Likely because you didn't read the thread and missed the dozens of other people saying the same thing.

The difference is that macro keys can be used anywhere. They could be used in Windows for every day tasks. What Blizzard doesn't do is say "here are macro keys that you can use to cheat in our game", which is essentially what the SteelSeries/Grubby ad is. Macro keys are a multiuse utility that are banned in some circumstances. SteelSeries is promoting it in one of those banned circumstances.

There are hundreds of products in the real world you could relate it to.
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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
June 09 2011 15:46 GMT
#98
My initial reaction to this video is that Steelseries was somehow unaware that using a macro keyboard in any game of starcraft 2 on b.net 2.0 is against blizzards terms of service agreement.

as far as grubby is concerned, he is just doing what he is paid to do for his sponsors, and knowing the professional and manner individual grubby is, would not use this himself, so think twice before u point the finger of blame
breakingties
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom72 Posts
June 09 2011 15:46 GMT
#99
On June 10 2011 00:40 emythrel wrote:
the select idol workers one can be done with 1 key anyways right? Isn't that hotkey programmable within the game itself?


ctrl+f1
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TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
June 09 2011 15:46 GMT
#100
On June 10 2011 00:42 TMOUllrich wrote:
Why is everyone refusing to acknowledge that Blizzard promotes the keyboards ?!?!?

http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001143


Blizzard does not promote the use of macros in SC2 :

"The custom keyset for StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™ offers players dedicated short-cut keys, complete key remapping for full keyset customization "

They mention in the first paragraph that the keyboard has the ability for macro keys but don't promote their usage in SC2. (Now I am completely agree that this isn't a too lucky way to promote the keyboard but still its a difference)
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