EPTGrubby promotes macro cheating? - Page 7
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
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maJes
United Kingdom186 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:51 TBO wrote: they don't mention multiplayer though  Is there some official statement from Blizzard on the macro key topic? I dimly remember that they said something about it during beta... As far as I remember they said single keystroke macros/rebindings were fine, multiple presses have always been bannable, which is in line with their WoW policy on delays etc since it's partial automation of the game. | ||
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Benkestok
Denmark63 Posts
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GigaFlop
United States1146 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:22 Zrana wrote: Somewhere, all those game product companies got the idea that macro keys are something that players want.... has anyone ever used them? (not including rebinding to single keypresses) I use one at the moment. List of keys pressed: Enter, d, e, r, p, a, , d, e, r, p, ,d, e, r, p, Enter Result: GigaFlop: derpa derp derp It really can be amusing(for me) sometimes. Yes, I use macros, but only for ingame chat. Even if my macro keys werent so oddly placed(Saitek Cybork Keyboard), I wouldn't want to use them for anything besides annoying people in chat. I actually take steps to test them to make sure they don't do anything besides put out the intended message. It's just faster than manually Enter, Ctrl+v, Enter. | ||
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Samhax
1054 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:52 frodoguy wrote: Well ladder is competitive as well so the disclaimer is probably including ladder, in which case, its all justified. You think big names in ladder will use this kind of macro and then being completely screw up in lan event, get serious please...Only "bad" players will use this kind of macro and then it's pointless to talk about players who use it on ladder. | ||
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Inex
Bulgaria443 Posts
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Lucidx
United States122 Posts
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MindRush
Romania916 Posts
Grubby accepted to promote a method of cheating. PERIOD. Yeah, he did it for money, yeah they pay his salary, but corruption is also defined this way. + Show Spoiler + Corruption = wrongdoing on the part of an authority or powerful party through means that are illegitimate, immoral, or incompatible with ethical standards. Corruption often results from patronage and is associated with bribery. Example: Bobby fisher was asked by a company making shampoos to say he washes his hair with their product. He was offered a lot of cash to say that, but he refused saying he cannot lie to so many people and he made that offer public. I am not saying that what Grubby did is as bad as political corruption, but also saying he has no fault in this is plain WRONG!! Grubby is a major, as in he is 18, so everything he does must be run through his rationality filter. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
OP of this thread has a screenshot of the reply from a blizzard Game Master concerning macro key usage in SC2. (He says you can get banned for it) | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:55 Inex wrote: SteelSeries obviously asked Grubby to do an ad for their keyboard. They are his main sponsor, guess what Grubby should do, stop hating the dude. I don't see why so many people are so offended of one stupid ad. It's clear that no one at steelseries actually bothered to check whether SC2 promotes the use of macros. I guess if it worked for WoW it should be fine for SC2, right SteelSeries? It's partially Grubby's responsibility to make sure his sponsors don't harm both his and their reputation by advertising things like these. | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
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Merfyn
United Kingdom945 Posts
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Akta
447 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:48 maJes wrote: You can't say it does not refer to sc2 just like they did not write "Buy this and use amazing macros when you ladder" either. Unfortunately while the context implies that this refers to SC2 it doesn't actually. But dare I say that a huge majority will think it refers to sc2 when they read this: SteelSeries Zboard Limited Edition Keyset (StarCraft II) Designed specifically for Blizzard Entertainment's highly anticipated Starcraft® II Wings of Liberty™, SteelSeries introduces the StarCraft® II Limited Edition Zboard™ Keyset. The custom designed keyset features labeled game commands on each key, in-game shortcuts, and artwork from the game. The gaming experience will enhance drastically due to one-touch macros and the ability to fully customize each key. This Limited Edition Keyset is a valuable tool for StarCraft II players looking to immerse themselves in the game and improve their performance and actions per minute (APM). | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
Great job of reading the information of the video. | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
I also do not see what is wrong here, really. It could be a skirmish vs the computer, it could be a singleplayer game. And here it comes, it doesn't matter at all in what setting you promote the product, because all you do is promote the product itself for what it's features are capable of doing. It doesn't promote using those features in the exact same way as they are demonstrated. Just that it's possible. Isn't that the same as a car commercial, where the car drives faster than allowed? Or a "funny" commercial where they throw a piano out of a window? Nowhere does cheating get promoted. All that gets promoted are the features and the possiblities that keyboard can do. If you want to use those you can, if you want to use those in a game where it's your own responsibility to know what you can and can't do, and it so happens that it's not actually allowed on paper as to prohibit exploitation and allow the developers to maintain legal control over the usage of their product then that is your fault. On June 10 2011 00:56 MindRush wrote: Grubby accepted to promote a method of cheating. PERIOD. Grubby is a major, as in he is 18, so everything he does must be run through his rationality filter. He's an adult, 24 - 25. Rationality is just a way to logically create an argument to support something. It has no bearing on morality. You can just as easily rationalize something that is considered to be wrong. More often than not, when the time comes it turns out you are wrong, you will rationalize so that you aren't. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9687/macros.png) white knights in this thread just got owned. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:58 Krehlmar wrote: "Disclaimer: Macro's are usually not legal in public StarCraft II tournaments, but can be a good tool when no playing competitively. Grubby, being a professional player, naturally is not using these features on a day-to-day basis - but is simply demonstrating the use of the keyboard and software." Great job of reading the information of the video. Great job of reading the topic or the Blizzard ToS. It's not just competitive play where it is not allowed. | ||
Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:58 Krehlmar wrote: "Disclaimer: Macro's are usually not legal in public StarCraft II tournaments, but can be a good tool when no playing competitively. Grubby, being a professional player, naturally is not using these features on a day-to-day basis - but is simply demonstrating the use of the keyboard and software." Great job of reading the information of the video. Great job of reading any post in this thread or the ToS ^_____^;; | ||
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maJes
United Kingdom186 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:58 Akta wrote: You can't say it does not refer to sc2 just like they did not write "Buy this and use amazing macros when you ladder" either. But dare I say that it's a huge majority will think it refers to sc2 when they read this: I can see what you're saying, but they chose their wording extremely well here so that you can't point out that they said you could use macros for SC2 explicitly. I agree that it's misleading but personally I thought that players would know more about the macro policy given the length of time it's been around with WoW. | ||
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