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As mentioned in the disclaimer above, we are of course aware that most tournaments are not allowing macro use. However, the majority of SC2 players are not playing competitively, and could benefit from using these features. Grubby is of course only demonstrating the use of the keyboard and software, as he is an active professional. Apologies for any confusion this might have caused.  - SteelSeries
So this is a feature for casual players... But isn't it also illigal to use macros on the B.net2 ladder? - Which is the only place to play vs other people in a competitive environment.
Well, there once was a time when MBS, unlimited unit selection, automining etc was considered cheating. I guess this is the future of ESPORTS - how fucking terrible.
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On June 10 2011 00:42 maJes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:40 Mikilatov wrote:
He's promoting his sponsor, and there's a disclaimer. You know who else fully supports and licenses products that have macro commands? Blizzard themselves. Take a look at the Razer SC2 keyboard. A major feature of the keyboard is that it records macros on the fly, and is a DIRECT Starcraft 2 product endorsed by Blizzard.
This is a complete non-issue. The crucial difference is that Blizzard don't promote the macros for use in their games (just take a look at the wording on the feature).
Blizzard Store wrote:
The gaming experience will enhance drastically due to one-touch macros and the ability to fully customize each key. http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142
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On June 10 2011 00:45 Samhax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:40 Kiante wrote:On June 10 2011 00:38 Marcus420 wrote:
talk about misleading title. how is it misleading? using macro's is cheating, grubby makes a video promoting it. He would've had a chance to say no and he didn't. If he cares more about money than the rules of the game, he's not better than a hacker. It's misleading because if i knew what was the content of the op, i would never check it. "Cheat" is a strong word, you can't use it like it's not a big deal, the Title is clearly attacking Grubby for something completely in my eyes "minor"; It is minor because everybody knows in competitive play macro are not allowed. And Blizzard can't do nothing about people using macros in a non competitive environement i.e ladder for example. So for me this op is bad.
No matter what you think of it, objectivly he is promoting cheating - whether you like it or not.
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I guess every players in Online tournament will use this keyboard.
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I think the thread title is exactly what the video is. Grubby was paid to promote macro cheating. So yes, the thread title is 100% accurate.
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On June 10 2011 00:47 Akta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:42 maJes wrote:On June 10 2011 00:40 Mikilatov wrote:
He's promoting his sponsor, and there's a disclaimer. You know who else fully supports and licenses products that have macro commands? Blizzard themselves. Take a look at the Razer SC2 keyboard. A major feature of the keyboard is that it records macros on the fly, and is a DIRECT Starcraft 2 product endorsed by Blizzard.
This is a complete non-issue. The crucial difference is that Blizzard don't promote the macros for use in their games (just take a look at the wording on the feature). Show nested quote +Blizzard Store wrote:
The gaming experience will enhance drastically due to one-touch macros and the ability to fully customize each key. http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142
Unfortunately while the context implies that this refers to SC2 it doesn't actually.
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"I think Grubby was asked to do a commercial in exchange for some money, and of course he accepted because he is a rational human being."
Ahah wtf people? "Yeah you'd do whatever for money...."
You guys have some issues ...
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This is Funny, I hope grubby knows how noobish this makes him sound. This would be like a runner promoting the use of performance enhancing drugs.
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On June 10 2011 00:47 Sina92 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:45 Samhax wrote:On June 10 2011 00:40 Kiante wrote:On June 10 2011 00:38 Marcus420 wrote:
talk about misleading title. how is it misleading? using macro's is cheating, grubby makes a video promoting it. He would've had a chance to say no and he didn't. If he cares more about money than the rules of the game, he's not better than a hacker. It's misleading because if i knew what was the content of the op, i would never check it. "Cheat" is a strong word, you can't use it like it's not a big deal, the Title is clearly attacking Grubby for something completely in my eyes "minor"; It is minor because everybody knows in competitive play macro are not allowed. And Blizzard can't do nothing about people using macros in a non competitive environement i.e ladder for example. So for me this op is bad. No matter what you think of it, objectivly he is promoting cheating - whether you like it or not.
yeah sure, you are defending the op? that's unfortunate...
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On June 10 2011 00:48 Samhax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:47 Sina92 wrote:On June 10 2011 00:45 Samhax wrote:On June 10 2011 00:40 Kiante wrote:On June 10 2011 00:38 Marcus420 wrote:
talk about misleading title. how is it misleading? using macro's is cheating, grubby makes a video promoting it. He would've had a chance to say no and he didn't. If he cares more about money than the rules of the game, he's not better than a hacker. It's misleading because if i knew what was the content of the op, i would never check it. "Cheat" is a strong word, you can't use it like it's not a big deal, the Title is clearly attacking Grubby for something completely in my eyes "minor"; It is minor because everybody knows in competitive play macro are not allowed. And Blizzard can't do nothing about people using macros in a non competitive environement i.e ladder for example. So for me this op is bad. No matter what you think of it, objectivly he is promoting cheating - whether you like it or not. yeah sure, you are defending the op? that's unfortunate...
Why so?
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Macros are illegal in tournament settings, this commercial is aimed at regular players, grubby doesn't personally use this.
also read the description:
"Disclaimer: Macro's are usually not legal in public StarCraft II tournaments, but can be a good tool when no playing competitively. Grubby, being a professional player, naturally is not using these features on a day-to-day basis - but is simply demonstrating the use of the keyboard and software."
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On June 10 2011 00:47 Akta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:42 maJes wrote:On June 10 2011 00:40 Mikilatov wrote:
He's promoting his sponsor, and there's a disclaimer. You know who else fully supports and licenses products that have macro commands? Blizzard themselves. Take a look at the Razer SC2 keyboard. A major feature of the keyboard is that it records macros on the fly, and is a DIRECT Starcraft 2 product endorsed by Blizzard.
This is a complete non-issue. The crucial difference is that Blizzard don't promote the macros for use in their games (just take a look at the wording on the feature). Show nested quote +Blizzard Store wrote:
The gaming experience will enhance drastically due to one-touch macros and the ability to fully customize each key. http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142
That's pretty bad too. :/ Shame on Blizzard.
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It's also Grubby's fault for not thinking ahead and convincing Steelseries it was a bad idea, instead of doing whatever they tell him to do.
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On June 10 2011 00:48 Mateo0 wrote:
"I think Grubby was asked to do a commercial in exchange for some money, and of course he accepted because he is a rational human being."
Ahah wtf people? "Yeah you'd do whatever for money...."
You guys have some issues ...
Id make a video like this if i had a sponsor, that paid me 5k to do a 5 minute video.
Apparently i have issues.
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On June 10 2011 00:47 XsebT wrote:Show nested quote +As mentioned in the disclaimer above, we are of course aware that most tournaments are not allowing macro use. However, the majority of SC2 players are not playing competitively, and could benefit from using these features. Grubby is of course only demonstrating the use of the keyboard and software, as he is an active professional. Apologies for any confusion this might have caused. - SteelSeries So this is a feature for casual players... But isn't it also illigal to use macros on the B.net2 ladder? - Which is the only place to play vs other people at all. Well, there once was a time when MBS, unlimited unit selection, automining etc was considered cheating. I guess this is the future of ESPORTS - how fucking terrible.
I think you should try using them. They're not the future of anything.
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On June 10 2011 00:40 Kiante wrote:how is it misleading? using macro's is cheating, grubby makes a video promoting it. He would've had a chance to say no and he didn't. If he cares more about money than the rules of the game, he's not better than a hacker.
LOL. So, you were there when Steelseries approached grubby and they just said "hey buddy want to do this commercial? if not that's okay." yeah right. If not doing the commercial would have been a violation of his contract, imagine the shitstorm that grubby would be in: loses his sponsor, probably would have trouble gaining another, possible forfeiture of income from the contract period, etc.
I have a VERY hard time believing that the situation is as black-and-white as you make it sound
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On June 10 2011 00:49 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:47 Akta wrote:On June 10 2011 00:42 maJes wrote:On June 10 2011 00:40 Mikilatov wrote:
He's promoting his sponsor, and there's a disclaimer. You know who else fully supports and licenses products that have macro commands? Blizzard themselves. Take a look at the Razer SC2 keyboard. A major feature of the keyboard is that it records macros on the fly, and is a DIRECT Starcraft 2 product endorsed by Blizzard.
This is a complete non-issue. The crucial difference is that Blizzard don't promote the macros for use in their games (just take a look at the wording on the feature). Blizzard Store wrote:
The gaming experience will enhance drastically due to one-touch macros and the ability to fully customize each key. http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142 That's pretty bad too. :/ Shame on Blizzard.
they don't mention multiplayer though 
Is there some official statement from Blizzard on the macro key topic? I dimly remember that they said something about it during beta...
@ those posters saying Grubby had no choice... I think they would have appreciated if he warned them about the potential backlash which happens now (and maybe he did and they decided to go ahead)
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On June 10 2011 00:46 Jibba wrote:Likely because you didn't read the thread and missed the dozens of other people saying the same thing. The difference is that macro keys can be used anywhere. They could be used in Windows for every day tasks. What Blizzard doesn't do is say "here are macro keys that you can use to cheat in our game", which is essentially what the SteelSeries/Grubby ad is. Macro keys are a multiuse utility that are banned in some circumstances. SteelSeries is promoting it in one of those banned circumstances.
There's no difference whatsoever. I don't care how a product is represented, it's still the same product and it still does the same thing and they know that and we know that. Stop being naive and open your eyes. Criticize grubby here and you also must critizie blizzard.
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On June 10 2011 00:47 XsebT wrote:Show nested quote +As mentioned in the disclaimer above, we are of course aware that most tournaments are not allowing macro use. However, the majority of SC2 players are not playing competitively, and could benefit from using these features. Grubby is of course only demonstrating the use of the keyboard and software, as he is an active professional. Apologies for any confusion this might have caused. - SteelSeries So this is a feature for casual players... But isn't it also illigal to use macros on the B.net2 ladder? - Which is the only place to play vs other people at all. Well, there once was a time when MBS, unlimited unit selection, automining etc was considered cheating. I guess this is the future of ESPORTS - how fucking terrible.
Well ladder is competitive as well so the disclaimer is probably including ladder, in which case, its all justified.
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Grubby lost to artosis.. he needs that keyboard.. lol -_-; sad story tho t.t
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