EPTGrubby promotes macro cheating? - Page 8
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barkles
United States285 Posts
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:58 Krehlmar wrote: "Disclaimer: Macro's are usually not legal in public StarCraft II tournaments, but can be a good tool when no playing competitively. Grubby, being a professional player, naturally is not using these features on a day-to-day basis - but is simply demonstrating the use of the keyboard and software." Great job of reading the information of the video. Thank you for pointing that out. It shows that Steelseries think that it is legal to use it outside of most competetive tournaments. They are dead wrong. One could expect them to get their facts straight... | ||
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DoubleB
Germany870 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:56 MindRush wrote: C'mon people, STOP saying Grubby has no fault in this. Grubby accepted to promote a method of cheating. PERIOD. Agree with you. I think its like talking about anabolic steroids in soccer, football or baseball. If a "pro" talks about taking it, you dont blame the producer!!!! You blame the sportsman! Because he is an idiot. | ||
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Samhax
1054 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:58 legatus legionis wrote: I don't see how it's bad or warrants a title like that. Just because it has a question mark behind it, doesn't mean you can just say anything you want because hey, it's only a question right? That alone already indicates the thread title isn't as "pure" as is generally desired from "objective" journalism. Guess that isn't the case so for sure it's subjective and I don't like it. I also do not see what is wrong here, really. It could be a skirmish vs the computer, it could be a singleplayer game. And here it comes, it doesn't matter at all in what setting you promote the product, because all you do is promote the product itself for what it's features are capable of doing. It doesn't promote using those features in the exact same way as they are demonstrated. Just that it's possible. Isn't that the same as a car commercial, where the car drives faster than allowed? Or a "funny" commercial where they throw a piano out of a window? Nowhere does cheating get promoted. All that gets promoted are the features and the possiblities that keyboard can do. If you want to use those you can, if you want to use those in a game where it's your own responsibility to know what you can and can't do, and it so happens that it's not actually allowed on paper as to prohibit exploitation and allow the developers to maintain legal control over the usage of their product then that is your fault. thanks sir, well written post. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:58 Kiante wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9687/macros.png) white knights in this thread just got owned. QFT | ||
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Jhax
Ireland201 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:51 TMOUllrich wrote: There's no difference whatsoever. I don't care how a product is represented, it's still the same product and it still does the same thing and they know that and we know that. Stop being naive and open your eyes. Criticize grubby here and you also must critizie blizzard. Guns can be used for hunting game or for killing people. Obviously gun advertisers don't promote armed murder, but the same product fulfills the same function. The degree of that example is obviously much harsher, but the relation is the exact same. | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
From Blizzard's endorsed keyboard, sold in their store: The gaming experience will enhance drastically due to one-touch macros and the ability to fully customize each key. This Limited Edition Keyset is a valuable tool for StarCraft II players looking to immerse themselves in the game and improve their performance and actions per minute Ignoring all of this... Let's not forget the main fact that there's a freaking disclaimer right under the video for christ's sake. Grubby is just fulfilling his sponsorship duties by showing off the capabilities of the keyboard. This is a complete non-issue in my eyes, but if you feel it's a problem, you also need to be pointing your finger at Blizzard. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On June 10 2011 01:01 Jhax wrote: Grubby should have known better to endorce this product. It's giving an advantage and thus is cheating. Don't know why steelseries would even think of making such a product. Nothing is inherently bad about keyboards with macro functions they can be useful in games where their use is accepted or single player ... or just non-game applications. | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
 maybe making no money from NASL encouraged him to do this cant get banned for it, its not against rules to own the keyboard, just use it like that | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
The problem is, how you can stop this from happening, I don't think it's officially cheating. It's not like blizzard can ban you for using ur keyboard drivers | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45088 Posts
This is making both of them look bad. And I'm certainly thinking less of Grubby because of this. Grubby could have declined. He should be aware that what he is promoting is illegal. If he wants the money, then he is more than welcome to promote the macros... but obviously he should be aware that he is going to get negative publicity for sponsoring something that's against the game. | ||
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felizuno
United States164 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I am disappointed :/ I'm not too bothered by it, either because I know Grubby doesn't use it or two because he's more of a micro players thanks to WC3 | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:29 XdtA wrote: Blizzard sells SC2 macro keyboards. http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142 This makes me sick, if any progamer uses this I sure ain't gonna respect them no longer. | ||
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Bondator
Finland120 Posts
I'm guessing the amount of people banned for using keyboard macros is about zero. | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
I wonder if people would react the same way if it was Cruncher promoting the keyboard.. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On June 10 2011 01:03 Mikilatov wrote: As has been stated, you can't blame Grubby for this without blaming Blizzard as well. Evidence has been shown that the Blizzard promoted keyboards also suggest and strongly imply the use of macro commands under the banner of both the Blizzard and Starcraft 2 name. It also likely comes with a users manual and/or software explaining how to use these controls, plastered with the SC2 and Blizzard logo. Come on. Let's be serious here. People aren't stupid, they can put 2 and 2 together. Ignoring all of this... Let's not forget the main fact that there's a freaking disclaimer right under the video for christ's sake. Grubby is just fulfilling his sponsorship duties by showing off the capabilities of the keyboard. This is a complete non-issue in my eyes. putting a false disclaimer on something thats obviously cheating makes it ok? say i make a video (in the same light as jibba's comment) that shows how to murder someone efficiently and put a disclaimer "IN MOST COUNTRIES YOU CANT USE THIS BUT WHATEVER" you think thats ok? seriously? stop being stupid. everyone KNOWS this is cheating, people saying the disclaimer somehow makes grubby or steelseries innocent is just plain wrong. | ||
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Akta
447 Posts
On June 10 2011 01:00 maJes wrote: I agree but it doesn't seem right to call out Grubby for being a bad guy when there are ads like that from Blizzard.I can see what you're saying, but they chose their wording extremely well here so that you can't point out that they said you could use macros for SC2 explicitly. I agree that it's misleading but personally I thought that players would know more about the macro policy given the length of time it's been around with WoW. | ||
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sharky246
1197 Posts
On June 10 2011 00:55 Samhax wrote: You think big names in ladder will use this kind of macro and then being completely screw up in lan event, get serious please...Only "bad" players will use this kind of macro and then it's pointless to talk about players who use it on ladder. I wasn't refering to big names. What i meant was that the disclaimer acknowledges this and is considering its uses for non-competitive play (ladder and tourney are competitive, just so you know). | ||
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