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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 16:15:31
June 09 2011 16:15 GMT
#181
On June 10 2011 01:11 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:09 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Disconnect wrote:
These macro keys aren't even useful. I have no idea why all these companies think we want them. The only games I can think of them being useful in is MMOs but those generally have macro functionality built into the game anyway.


One has hims advertising something illegal, advertising it is not an illegal action, the product may be.
Your example is having him perform a direct illegal action.

Good try.

well hitler didn't drive the tanks into poland so i guess he shouldn't be responsible right?


Keep on escalating.
Hitler ordered those attacks and had malicious intent.
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btxmonty
Profile Joined April 2010
Panama80 Posts
June 09 2011 16:15 GMT
#182
On June 10 2011 01:10 kasumimi wrote:
To sum up the thread:

-Grubby: Fulfilling his contract to Steelseries = No problem.

-Steelseries: Trying to sell their product to make money = No problem.

-Blizzard: Selling those macro keyboards in the Blizzard store and then banning you for it = Greed topped with Hypocrisy.



I don't think there is anything else to say... I can't bash grubby, the guy is still trying to survive as a pro-gamer and hasn't been able to adapt correctly. Gaming has been his job for so many years, I don't think he would just deny SS to promote something even BLIZZARD sells in their store.
It is only the dead who have seen the end of war - Plato
Ambasa
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States29 Posts
June 09 2011 16:16 GMT
#183
On June 10 2011 01:15 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:11 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:09 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Disconnect wrote:
These macro keys aren't even useful. I have no idea why all these companies think we want them. The only games I can think of them being useful in is MMOs but those generally have macro functionality built into the game anyway.


One has hims advertising something illegal, advertising it is not an illegal action, the product may be.
Your example is having him perform a direct illegal action.

Good try.

well hitler didn't drive the tanks into poland so i guess he shouldn't be responsible right?


Keep on escalating.
Hitler ordered those attacks and had malicious intent.


GODWIN's LAW
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Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
June 09 2011 16:17 GMT
#184
On June 10 2011 01:14 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:08 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:07 OrangeSoda wrote:
steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp

So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked?


stop argueing in extreme's it's a bad way of debating.

people make to big of a deal out of these sort of things, steelseries made a mistake these things happen chill out :p.

How is this extreme? If he's shown he's capable of putting aside his morals for this, what is to stop him doing it for other things. Its pretty clear that grubby only cares about money and not about the integrity of the game.
people saying this only affects lower league players a) dont really understand how much this could be exploited and b) dont realise that theres a whole mass of lower league players and this could potentially ruin the game. If you ahve an opponent on ladder using this they have a huge unfair advantage thats against the rules, and grubby is the one who took money to promote it. thats dirty as fuck
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Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
June 09 2011 16:18 GMT
#185
On June 10 2011 01:15 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:11 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:09 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Disconnect wrote:
These macro keys aren't even useful. I have no idea why all these companies think we want them. The only games I can think of them being useful in is MMOs but those generally have macro functionality built into the game anyway.


One has hims advertising something illegal, advertising it is not an illegal action, the product may be.
Your example is having him perform a direct illegal action.

Good try.

well hitler didn't drive the tanks into poland so i guess he shouldn't be responsible right?


Keep on escalating.
Hitler ordered those attacks and had malicious intent.

Grubby's intent is pure? i dont think so
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TI83
Profile Joined June 2011
78 Posts
June 09 2011 16:18 GMT
#186
Imagine some company was selling a maphack, and Grubby would do a video explaining why you should get it etc..
Would you say that Grubby is not responsible / not to blame ?

That's the exact same situation.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
June 09 2011 16:19 GMT
#187
bliz make sure several times in all there games that macros that do more than 1 action for 1 click is cheating and get banned.
So basicly this is a video where gruby say that he cheat and explain how to cheat in the game.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6272 Posts
June 09 2011 16:19 GMT
#188
On June 10 2011 01:17 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:14 RvB wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:07 OrangeSoda wrote:
steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp

So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked?


stop argueing in extreme's it's a bad way of debating.

people make to big of a deal out of these sort of things, steelseries made a mistake these things happen chill out :p.

How is this extreme? If he's shown he's capable of putting aside his morals for this, what is to stop him doing it for other things. Its pretty clear that grubby only cares about money and not about the integrity of the game.
people saying this only affects lower league players a) dont really understand how much this could be exploited and b) dont realise that theres a whole mass of lower league players and this could potentially ruin the game. If you ahve an opponent on ladder using this they have a huge unfair advantage thats against the rules, and grubby is the one who took money to promote it. thats dirty as fuck


Yes, doing an ad for your sponsor to advertise a macro keyboard is seriously for someone without morale, go reread your posts and if you still don't see why you're debating in extreme's I am done talking to you anyway I'll stop derailing the thread.
Butcherski
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 09 2011 16:20 GMT
#189
Im sure somebody already said it but if you are upset about this ad go write steelseries an email explaining what they are doing wrong. If enough people do this they will respond. It would be bad business to ignore your target.
"Well Tasteless, i once met a three-toed sloth with good marauder control " - Artosis
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 16:21:53
June 09 2011 16:21 GMT
#190
On June 10 2011 01:17 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:14 RvB wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:07 OrangeSoda wrote:
steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp

So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked?


stop argueing in extreme's it's a bad way of debating.

people make to big of a deal out of these sort of things, steelseries made a mistake these things happen chill out :p.

How is this extreme? If he's shown he's capable of putting aside his morals for this, what is to stop him doing it for other things. Its pretty clear that grubby only cares about money and not about the integrity of the game.
people saying this only affects lower league players a) dont really understand how much this could be exploited and b) dont realise that theres a whole mass of lower league players and this could potentially ruin the game. If you ahve an opponent on ladder using this they have a huge unfair advantage thats against the rules, and grubby is the one who took money to promote it. thats dirty as fuck


OMG YES, THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME, RIMSHOT E-SPORTS ARGUMENT!!11

Whether Grubby promotes it or not doesn't really change much that it will be on the market, it will garner the interest of those with malicious intent and if you're concerned with mixed messages being sent out to potential innocent buyers, consider Blizzard's own mistakes.

Your example of Hitler in comparison to grubby and "morals" are vastly different and on a whole new level. First off, I think you mean values. Secondly, I think you need to consider other factors besides the redundant issue of "money".

On June 10 2011 01:18 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:15 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:11 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:09 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Disconnect wrote:
These macro keys aren't even useful. I have no idea why all these companies think we want them. The only games I can think of them being useful in is MMOs but those generally have macro functionality built into the game anyway.


One has hims advertising something illegal, advertising it is not an illegal action, the product may be.
Your example is having him perform a direct illegal action.

Good try.

well hitler didn't drive the tanks into poland so i guess he shouldn't be responsible right?


Keep on escalating.
Hitler ordered those attacks and had malicious intent.

Grubby's intent is pure? i dont think so


It's equivalent or on a comparable level as Hitler and genocide?
I don't think so.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Eluadyl
Profile Joined May 2010
Turkey364 Posts
June 09 2011 16:21 GMT
#191
All the hype about a keyboard aimed at 12 year olds who can't get through campaign and a progamer who promotes it as a consequence of his contract with his sponsor.

These kind of equipment have always been around and were always promoted by progamers in someway or another. This one suffers from being a little careless but no big deal imho.
Not enough energy
Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 16:22:14
June 09 2011 16:21 GMT
#192
On June 10 2011 01:17 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:14 RvB wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:07 OrangeSoda wrote:
steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp

So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked?


stop argueing in extreme's it's a bad way of debating.

people make to big of a deal out of these sort of things, steelseries made a mistake these things happen chill out :p.

How is this extreme? If he's shown he's capable of putting aside his morals for this, what is to stop him doing it for other things. Its pretty clear that grubby only cares about money and not about the integrity of the game.
people saying this only affects lower league players a) dont really understand how much this could be exploited and b) dont realise that theres a whole mass of lower league players and this could potentially ruin the game. If you ahve an opponent on ladder using this they have a huge unfair advantage thats against the rules, and grubby is the one who took money to promote it. thats dirty as fuck

Its extreme because youre blowing things way out of proportion.

Everyone makes mistakes. Maybe grubby didnt even know that its illegal to do so by blizzards ToS?

Ever consider that?

this would hardly ruin the game. macros would not make you any better than you are already
Fleebenworth
Profile Joined April 2011
463 Posts
June 09 2011 16:22 GMT
#193
Ultimately a silly thread, but the people who act as if Grubby isn't responsible for which products he endorses are even dumber.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
June 09 2011 16:22 GMT
#194
On June 10 2011 01:19 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:17 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:14 RvB wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:07 OrangeSoda wrote:
steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp

So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked?


stop argueing in extreme's it's a bad way of debating.

people make to big of a deal out of these sort of things, steelseries made a mistake these things happen chill out :p.

How is this extreme? If he's shown he's capable of putting aside his morals for this, what is to stop him doing it for other things. Its pretty clear that grubby only cares about money and not about the integrity of the game.
people saying this only affects lower league players a) dont really understand how much this could be exploited and b) dont realise that theres a whole mass of lower league players and this could potentially ruin the game. If you ahve an opponent on ladder using this they have a huge unfair advantage thats against the rules, and grubby is the one who took money to promote it. thats dirty as fuck


Yes, doing an ad for your sponsor to advertise a macro keyboard is seriously for someone without morale, go reread your posts and if you still don't see why you're debating in extreme's I am done talking to you anyway I'll stop derailing the thread.


How is this derailing. This is the whole point of this thread. Grubby made a video to promote cheating. He would've been aware that it was cheating. He would've had a chance to turn it down. He did neither. People saying he had to do it are wrong, people saying its kosher are wrong. I dont see how promoting cheating and cheating are suddenly mutually exclusive.
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Sverigevader
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden388 Posts
June 09 2011 16:23 GMT
#195
If the battles in Starcraft 2 were actual real battles in which people would die if you loose, you should do everything you could think of to increase your chance of winning. However, this is a game, a competitive game at that, where people shouldn't be able to get an advantage by spending money.

It's as if a hockey team would set up snipers mid game and shoot the gear off of the other teams goalie...

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 09 2011 16:23 GMT
#196
On June 10 2011 01:18 TI83 wrote:
Imagine some company was selling a maphack, and Grubby would do a video explaining why you should get it etc..
Would you say that Grubby is not responsible / not to blame ?

That's the exact same situation.


Is the maphack from a responsible, credible company who directly supports E-Sports and its players to provide years of entertainment, value and worth?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 16:24:31
June 09 2011 16:23 GMT
#197
If you want to have an extreme nerd crusade for moral internet justice go bash blizzard, they are the ones who set up the double standard of banning macros but putting their name on and endorsing SC2/WOW products with macros built in. Grubby is advertising a product with a clear disclaimer on it that it is illegal in said situations.
~
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
June 09 2011 16:23 GMT
#198
Yes everyone makes mistakes, but when they leave the mistake on Youtube, seemingly with no intention to remove it, it's NOT ok. Someone once said that only spoiled brats don't clean up after their mistakes.
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
DJFaqU
Profile Joined May 2011
466 Posts
June 09 2011 16:24 GMT
#199
On June 10 2011 01:11 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:09 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Disconnect wrote:
These macro keys aren't even useful. I have no idea why all these companies think we want them. The only games I can think of them being useful in is MMOs but those generally have macro functionality built into the game anyway.


One has hims advertising something illegal, advertising it is not an illegal action, the product may be.
Your example is having him perform a direct illegal action.

Good try.

well hitler didn't drive the tanks into poland so i guess he shouldn't be responsible right?


FUCK YEAH GODWIN'S LAW.

Personally, I find the whole affair hilarious.
Now unknowing people will buy the keyboard, use a bunch of macros and will eventually be banned by Blizzard for doing so.
I don't see anything wrong with that, it's up to them to read the goddamn ToS and adhere to them.
Chinchillin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States259 Posts
June 09 2011 16:25 GMT
#200
Nice slanderous title
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