Quite hilarious how steelseries thinks that macros are only illegal in tournaments. Nice to know they put the research in. Massive blunder - hopefully they can rectify their mistake soon to save some face.

Nabes

Canada1800 Posts

June 09 2011 16:07 GMT

#162

steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp

Kiante

Australia7069 Posts

June 09 2011 16:08 GMT

#163

On June 10 2011 01:07 OrangeSoda wrote:
steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp

So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked?

Disconnect

United States84 Posts

June 09 2011 16:08 GMT

#164

These macro keys aren't even useful. I have no idea why all these companies think we want them. The only games I can think of them being useful in is MMOs but those generally have macro functionality built into the game anyway.

maJes

United Kingdom186 Posts

June 09 2011 16:08 GMT

#165

On June 10 2011 01:05 Akta wrote:

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On June 10 2011 01:00 maJes wrote:

On June 10 2011 00:58 Akta wrote:

On June 10 2011 00:48 maJes wrote:

On June 10 2011 00:47 Akta wrote:

On June 10 2011 00:42 maJes wrote:

On June 10 2011 00:40 Mikilatov wrote:
He's promoting his sponsor, and there's a disclaimer. You know who else fully supports and licenses products that have macro commands? Blizzard themselves. Take a look at the Razer SC2 keyboard. A major feature of the keyboard is that it records macros on the fly, and is a DIRECT Starcraft 2 product endorsed by Blizzard.

This is a complete non-issue.

The crucial difference is that Blizzard don't promote the macros for use in their games (just take a look at the wording on the feature).

Blizzard Store wrote:
The gaming experience will enhance drastically due to one-touch macros and the ability to fully customize each key.

http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001142

Unfortunately while the context implies that this refers to SC2 it doesn't actually.

You can't say it does not refer to sc2 just like they did not write "Buy this and use amazing macros when you ladder" either.

But dare I say that it's a huge majority will think it refers to sc2 when they read this:

SteelSeries Zboard Limited Edition Keyset (StarCraft II)

Designed specifically for Blizzard Entertainment's highly anticipated Starcraft® II Wings of Liberty™, SteelSeries introduces the StarCraft® II Limited Edition Zboard™ Keyset. The custom designed keyset features labeled game commands on each key, in-game shortcuts, and artwork from the game.

The gaming experience will enhance drastically due to one-touch macros and the ability to fully customize each key. This Limited Edition Keyset is a valuable tool for StarCraft II players looking to immerse themselves in the game and improve their performance and actions per minute (APM).

I can see what you're saying, but they chose their wording extremely well here so that you can't point out that they said you could use macros for SC2 explicitly. I agree that it's misleading but personally I thought that players would know more about the macro policy given the length of time it's been around with WoW.

I agree but it doesn't seem right to call out Grubby for being a bad guy when there are ads like that from Blizzard.

I don't think it's fair to lay all the blame on Grubby, but I don't think he's coming off very well here either.

If he said something to Steelseries and they ignored him and made him do the ad anyway then he's done nothing wrong. I don't think many professional sportspersons would knowingly attach themselves to an ad endorsing 'illegal' acts though, sponsor or not.

inFeZa

Australia556 Posts

June 09 2011 16:08 GMT

#166

this makes me sad. only thing steel series i own is a mousepad

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

June 09 2011 16:09 GMT

#167

On June 10 2011 01:08 Disconnect wrote:
These macro keys aren't even useful. I have no idea why all these companies think we want them. The only games I can think of them being useful in is MMOs but those generally have macro functionality built into the game anyway.

One has hims advertising something illegal, advertising it is not an illegal action, the product may be.
Your example is having him perform a direct illegal action.

Good try.

bgx

Poland6595 Posts

June 09 2011 16:09 GMT

#168

so thats why Grubby was sloppy lately

-jk

for SS : bad example of milking cow

Fraidnot

United States824 Posts

June 09 2011 16:09 GMT

#169

maybe it's going to turn a bronze league guy into a silver, but I can't see it making that much of a difference past that level. Keyboard macro's are not an unforgivable sin.

kasumimi

Greece460 Posts

June 09 2011 16:10 GMT

#170

To sum up the thread:

-Grubby: Fulfilling his contract to Steelseries = No problem.

-Steelseries: Trying to sell their product to make money = No problem.

-Blizzard: Selling those macro keyboards in the Blizzard store and then banning you for it = Greed topped with Hypocrisy.

If you are in a bad mood and feel like hatting on someone, it should be Blizzard.

dANiELcanuck

Canada217 Posts

June 09 2011 16:11 GMT

#171

In the end, who really cares? I know I don't, I'll continue to buy steelseries gear in the future.

Kiante

Australia7069 Posts

June 09 2011 16:11 GMT

#172

On June 10 2011 01:09 Torte de Lini wrote:

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One has hims advertising something illegal, advertising it is not an illegal action, the product may be.
Your example is having him perform a direct illegal action.

Good try.

well hitler didn't drive the tanks into poland so i guess he shouldn't be responsible right?

bobbingmatt

Australia224 Posts

June 09 2011 16:12 GMT

#173

Steelseries: As mentioned in the disclaimer above, we are of course aware that most tournaments are not allowing macro use. However, the majority of SC2 players are not playing competitively, and could benefit from using these features. Grubby is of course only demonstrating the use of the keyboard and software, as he is an active professional. Apologies for any confusion this might have caused.

I just think that Steelseries didn't realize that using macros was against the TOS...
They weren't trying to promote cheating, but at the same time needed to do more research.

TheBJ

Bulgaria906 Posts

June 09 2011 16:12 GMT

#174

On June 10 2011 01:10 kasumimi wrote:
To sum up the thread:

-Grubby: Fulfilling his contract to Steelseries = No problem.

-Steelseries: Trying to sell their product to make money = No problem.

-Blizzard: Selling those macro keyboards in the Blizzard store and then banning you for it = Greed topped with Hypocrisy.

pretty much , this thread is pointless. Grubby is doing what he is said to.

Kanil

United States1713 Posts

June 09 2011 16:12 GMT

#175

Well, this is awkward.

I guess you can use macros when you play on LAN -- maybe SteelSeries is marketing to the BW crowd. :p

Kiante

Australia7069 Posts

June 09 2011 16:13 GMT

#176

On June 10 2011 01:12 bobbingmatt wrote:

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I just think that Steelseries didn't realize that using macros was against the TOS...

if they thought it was against the rules in tournaments do you think they couldn't have taken the couple of minutes to do a quick search through to the TOS to find out?

Msr

Korea (South)495 Posts

June 09 2011 16:13 GMT

#177

Anybody who is mad at this is very unintelligent. No good player would ever use such a product as it would not help them improve and really isn't that useful. The only players who will likely benefit from this product are bronze players and even then at that level... If any of you actually read the TOS, 99% of us violate them on many occasions. I hate cheating myself, but this is lol.

uSnAmplified

United States1029 Posts

June 09 2011 16:13 GMT

#178

Steelseries is his biggest sponsor so he is likely obligated to do the commercial, and a reality check, its not like making keyboard macros is hard for anyone who honestly wanted to do it in the first place, tons of KBs come with the feature. Blizzard even promotes razer/steelseries products that have built in macro capabilities, i know ZBoards came preprogrammed for some games, including blizzard products like WoW.

The video even has a disclaimer, but i honestly believe people would rather find things to whine about hurting ESPORTS/no longer fan of X player/random drama trash that is really popular all of the sudden.

RvB

Netherlands6190 Posts

June 09 2011 16:14 GMT

#179

On June 10 2011 01:08 Kiante wrote:

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So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked?

stop argueing in extreme's it's a bad way of debating.

people make to big of a deal out of these sort of things, steelseries made a mistake these things happen chill out :p.

FMJ

United States169 Posts

June 09 2011 16:14 GMT

#180

Hmmm...

If I caught my opponent using one of these, I'd go to his house and beat him over the head with it. What's the macro for pick up keyboard -> raise keyboard -> bash head with keyboard -> repeat?

BOOM SANDWICH