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Alver
Profile Joined November 2010
United States177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 16:32:54
June 09 2011 16:25 GMT
#201
how is this different from keyboards that were out 3 years ago other than grubby doing the talking?
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
June 09 2011 16:25 GMT
#202
On June 10 2011 01:22 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:19 RvB wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:17 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:14 RvB wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:07 OrangeSoda wrote:
steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp

So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked?


stop argueing in extreme's it's a bad way of debating.

people make to big of a deal out of these sort of things, steelseries made a mistake these things happen chill out :p.

How is this extreme? If he's shown he's capable of putting aside his morals for this, what is to stop him doing it for other things. Its pretty clear that grubby only cares about money and not about the integrity of the game.
people saying this only affects lower league players a) dont really understand how much this could be exploited and b) dont realise that theres a whole mass of lower league players and this could potentially ruin the game. If you ahve an opponent on ladder using this they have a huge unfair advantage thats against the rules, and grubby is the one who took money to promote it. thats dirty as fuck


Yes, doing an ad for your sponsor to advertise a macro keyboard is seriously for someone without morale, go reread your posts and if you still don't see why you're debating in extreme's I am done talking to you anyway I'll stop derailing the thread.


How is this derailing. This is the whole point of this thread. Grubby made a video to promote cheating. He would've been aware that it was cheating. He would've had a chance to turn it down. He did neither. People saying he had to do it are wrong, people saying its kosher are wrong. I dont see how promoting cheating and cheating are suddenly mutually exclusive.


Please, leap to more conclusions.

Also, please associate promoting a product for your sponsor is in any way comparable to throwing a game. You realize, Blizzard has one of these keyboards made specifically for Starcraft 2 as well right? It's not like the biggest deal, was it a stupid decision to promote this way by both SteelSeries and Grubby? Probably.

Is it in any way comparable with cheating or match fixing? Fuck no, get your fanaticism out of here.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 16:27:03
June 09 2011 16:25 GMT
#203
On June 10 2011 01:25 Chinchillin wrote:
Nice slanderous title

The title is the exact situation.

Regardless of whether Blizzard does it too, Grubby is promoting a way to cheat in SC2. The counterarguments about Blizzard are just a red herring (although as I said before, Blizzard's actions are dubious as well.)
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JLew
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada353 Posts
June 09 2011 16:26 GMT
#204
On June 10 2011 01:17 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:14 RvB wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:07 OrangeSoda wrote:
steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp

So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked?


stop argueing in extreme's it's a bad way of debating.

people make to big of a deal out of these sort of things, steelseries made a mistake these things happen chill out :p.

How is this extreme? If he's shown he's capable of putting aside his morals for this, what is to stop him doing it for other things. Its pretty clear that grubby only cares about money and not about the integrity of the game.
people saying this only affects lower league players a) dont really understand how much this could be exploited and b) dont realise that theres a whole mass of lower league players and this could potentially ruin the game. If you ahve an opponent on ladder using this they have a huge unfair advantage thats against the rules, and grubby is the one who took money to promote it. thats dirty as fuck


lol this is almost as dramatic as the thread title.
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alda
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France68 Posts
June 09 2011 16:26 GMT
#205
So just because Grubby is paid for it, promoting cheating in a video is fine ?

No matter how you see it, even in custom games vs friends, using macros is pure and simple cheating. Of course it's not new and these products exist for a long time and have already been advertized specifically for sc2 but that doesn't make it fine.
aka FallinSky
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 09 2011 16:26 GMT
#206
I'm all for agreeing that Grubby is promoting a way to cheat in SC2 (or rather advocating it in a convincing manner).

But that's it. It just makes him look back, I don't really judge farther than that.
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barkles
Profile Joined May 2010
United States285 Posts
June 09 2011 16:27 GMT
#207
On June 10 2011 01:22 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:19 RvB wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:17 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:14 RvB wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:07 OrangeSoda wrote:
steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp

So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked?


stop argueing in extreme's it's a bad way of debating.

people make to big of a deal out of these sort of things, steelseries made a mistake these things happen chill out :p.

How is this extreme? If he's shown he's capable of putting aside his morals for this, what is to stop him doing it for other things. Its pretty clear that grubby only cares about money and not about the integrity of the game.
people saying this only affects lower league players a) dont really understand how much this could be exploited and b) dont realise that theres a whole mass of lower league players and this could potentially ruin the game. If you ahve an opponent on ladder using this they have a huge unfair advantage thats against the rules, and grubby is the one who took money to promote it. thats dirty as fuck


Yes, doing an ad for your sponsor to advertise a macro keyboard is seriously for someone without morale, go reread your posts and if you still don't see why you're debating in extreme's I am done talking to you anyway I'll stop derailing the thread.


How is this derailing. This is the whole point of this thread. Grubby made a video to promote cheating. He would've been aware that it was cheating. He would've had a chance to turn it down. He did neither. People saying he had to do it are wrong, people saying its kosher are wrong. I dont see how promoting cheating and cheating are suddenly mutually exclusive.


AGAIN I feel the need to tell you that you DO NOT KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TURN THE COMMERCIAL DOWN without effectively ruining his career. Think before you post.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 16:27:52
June 09 2011 16:27 GMT
#208
stealserias say is not allowed in many tournaments.
But the truth is : its not allowed in ANY tournament ANY ladder game ANY custom game,
ANY sc2 game.
Save gaming: kill esport
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
June 09 2011 16:28 GMT
#209
Poor move by Steelseries and Grubby. There are some of celebrity refuse to do commercial for companies that they think may mislead people.

Also, I don't think the argue " You can use it if you are not in a tournament" This is bullshit, I surely don't want the guy that play against me on Bnet use something like this. Its just not fair, and take away alot of game.

I am not going to buy anymore steelseries products in the future.
Terran
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 09 2011 16:29 GMT
#210
Does Grubby even know this is cheating? Select didn't know that playing on other people's accounts to raise their ranks was illegal.
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skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
June 09 2011 16:30 GMT
#211
On June 10 2011 01:27 barkles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:22 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:19 RvB wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:17 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:14 RvB wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:08 Kiante wrote:
On June 10 2011 01:07 OrangeSoda wrote:
steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp

So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked?


stop argueing in extreme's it's a bad way of debating.

people make to big of a deal out of these sort of things, steelseries made a mistake these things happen chill out :p.

How is this extreme? If he's shown he's capable of putting aside his morals for this, what is to stop him doing it for other things. Its pretty clear that grubby only cares about money and not about the integrity of the game.
people saying this only affects lower league players a) dont really understand how much this could be exploited and b) dont realise that theres a whole mass of lower league players and this could potentially ruin the game. If you ahve an opponent on ladder using this they have a huge unfair advantage thats against the rules, and grubby is the one who took money to promote it. thats dirty as fuck




Yes, doing an ad for your sponsor to advertise a macro keyboard is seriously for someone without morale, go reread your posts and if you still don't see why you're debating in extreme's I am done talking to you anyway I'll stop derailing the thread.


How is this derailing. This is the whole point of this thread. Grubby made a video to promote cheating. He would've been aware that it was cheating. He would've had a chance to turn it down. He did neither. People saying he had to do it are wrong, people saying its kosher are wrong. I dont see how promoting cheating and cheating are suddenly mutually exclusive.


AGAIN I feel the need to tell you that you DO NOT KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TURN THE COMMERCIAL DOWN without effectively ruining his career. Think before you post.

AND?

If he has a sponsor that say: make ad for cheating or you loose your contract
He ruining his career in the sec he agreed.
You have allays a choice. its not like they pull out a gun and force him to do it.
They gave him money and he decide on his own, with his free will, to take this money!


Save gaming: kill esport
NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
June 09 2011 16:31 GMT
#212
Im cool with that Grubby did this. NP I love you. Also I still love SS. Maybe just some guy in SS said lets do this because they probably want these macro keyboards and lets explain it. maybe some newbies dont know how it works... unfortunately they did it on SC and not WoW :x
But No thank you razor, SS we dont really need macro keys in SC but nice try.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
June 09 2011 16:31 GMT
#213
On June 10 2011 01:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
Does Grubby even know this is cheating? Select didn't know that playing on other people's accounts to raise their ranks was illegal.

did grubby install sc2? If he did he would've agreed to the TOS. For something as shady as this the responsibility is his to go back and check that it's allowed.
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
June 09 2011 16:32 GMT
#214
On June 10 2011 01:25 Alver wrote:

Wow is mainly a PvE feast, noone care what you do when you vs the Lich King or whatever. But when it comes to people vs people, I think guys in bronze would care alot if his opponent got some marco keyboard or not.
Terran
Nivoh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway259 Posts
June 09 2011 16:33 GMT
#215
I'd pin this on SteelSeries, rather than Grubby. You can't honestly expect him to know the ins and outs of the EULA/TOS. Grubby probably does not even use the keyboard, unless he's "forced to" by SteelSeries. SteelSeries should have known better.
Merfyn
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom945 Posts
June 09 2011 16:33 GMT
#216
On June 10 2011 01:28 Caphe wrote:
Poor move by Steelseries and Grubby. There are some of celebrity refuse to do commercial for companies that they think may mislead people.

Also, I don't think the argue " You can use it if you are not in a tournament" This is bullshit, I surely don't want the guy that play against me on Bnet use something like this. Its just not fair, and take away alot of game.

I am not going to buy anymore steelseries products in the future.


who? just wondering since im quite sure alot of people (celberitys included) would do alot for money. Take for example, the thread recently posted in General Forums, he sold his Kindey for $2000. Just saying, if you were offered alot of money to do very little, wouldnt you take it?
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.."
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
June 09 2011 16:33 GMT
#217
For you posters after page ~7 who cry about the title: A(n anonymous) TL admin chose that title, the previous one was even more harsh. I fail to understand how you can disagree with the title as it is objectivly exact.
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
June 09 2011 16:34 GMT
#218
On June 10 2011 01:25 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:25 Chinchillin wrote:
Nice slanderous title

The title is the exact situation.

Regardless of whether Blizzard does it too, Grubby is promoting a way to cheat in SC2. The counterarguments about Blizzard are just a red herring (although as I said before, Blizzard's actions are dubious as well.)


For me the right title would be Grubby promotes Keyboards with macro in sc2, is it right? Then we can discuss about macros in competitive play, casual play, the ToS, Blizzard, etc.

This title is clearly unfair for him.
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
June 09 2011 16:34 GMT
#219
Grubby is sponsored by steelseries from a post that i've seen. Assuming that's the case, what if his contract states that he is required to promote the products of steelseries? We don't know about his contract so it's abit premature to consider that grubby has done wrong.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
June 09 2011 16:34 GMT
#220
they are using the image of grubby to gain some sells, but at sametime grubby image is getting bad, a proffesional gamer promoting this kind of keyboard is not good for gamer focused in learn.

this is against blizzard TOS. it woulnt seem right if they keep that commercial alive. they are suporting E-sports in some extend but with this one, is contradictory.
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