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On June 10 2011 01:30 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 01:27 barkles wrote:On June 10 2011 01:22 Kiante wrote:On June 10 2011 01:19 RvB wrote:On June 10 2011 01:17 Kiante wrote:On June 10 2011 01:14 RvB wrote:On June 10 2011 01:08 Kiante wrote:On June 10 2011 01:07 OrangeSoda wrote:
steelseries asked him to do a commercial for them, hes not goona say no to his biggest sponsor derp So you're saying that he should do anything they ask? what if some steelseries exec starts betting on games and wants grubby to lose on purpose. Should he do that just cuz his sponsor asked? stop argueing in extreme's it's a bad way of debating. people make to big of a deal out of these sort of things, steelseries made a mistake these things happen chill out :p. How is this extreme? If he's shown he's capable of putting aside his morals for this, what is to stop him doing it for other things. Its pretty clear that grubby only cares about money and not about the integrity of the game. people saying this only affects lower league players a) dont really understand how much this could be exploited and b) dont realise that theres a whole mass of lower league players and this could potentially ruin the game. If you ahve an opponent on ladder using this they have a huge unfair advantage thats against the rules, and grubby is the one who took money to promote it. thats dirty as fuck Yes, doing an ad for your sponsor to advertise a macro keyboard is seriously for someone without morale, go reread your posts and if you still don't see why you're debating in extreme's I am done talking to you anyway I'll stop derailing the thread. How is this derailing. This is the whole point of this thread. Grubby made a video to promote cheating. He would've been aware that it was cheating. He would've had a chance to turn it down. He did neither. People saying he had to do it are wrong, people saying its kosher are wrong. I dont see how promoting cheating and cheating are suddenly mutually exclusive. AGAIN I feel the need to tell you that you DO NOT KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TURN THE COMMERCIAL DOWN without effectively ruining his career. Think before you post. AND? If he has a sponsor that say: make ad for cheating or you loose your contract He ruining his career in the sec he agreed. You have allays a choice. its not like they pull out a gun and force him to do it. They gave him money and he decide on his own, with his free will, to take this money!
Im not saying that Grubby did the right thing. What I am saying is that we are not in a position to be able to judge Grubby's decision to take part in the commercial because we lack information on the details of the arrangement between Grubby and Steelseries. The party responsible for the content of the commercial was Steelseries, and the representative that Steelseries chose to represent that message was Grubby. That's all we know.
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Wait I dont understand why did they make this keyboard to cheat in sc2 because you get banned if you cheat? Like what. They want their customers to get banned.
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Yikes I can't believe Steelseries put this out. I'm sure Grubby just did what he was asked but come on Steelseries, if Blizzard decides to take action there could be serious ramifications. Steelseries sponsors a lot of stuff too so I don't want to see their reputation hurt in the community, that isn't good for anybody, cept Razer I guess.
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u know, is it bad that i'd actually love to see a series where they all can use macros, and see some epic humanly impossible battles; like getting some ridiculous marine or phoenix dancing as you could get them to strafe perfectly,
or even just some crazy inject larvae script or blanket storms going off....
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Well, changing your keyboard hotkeys would accomplish the same thing, but there is a chance that Grubby could be banned. I don't use hacks, cheats, macros, or any hotkey re-arranger besides the in-game one. I don't want to risk it, and by doing this Grubby is putting himself at risk.
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On June 10 2011 00:58 Kiante wrote:![[image loading]](http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9687/macros.png) white knights in this thread just got owned.
Precisely.
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Don't do it.
Grubby is paid to advertise and endorse his sponsor's products. Nothing more. As innovative as steel series wants to try and be, they really should consider 'fair play' before releasing such a product. I see a lot of people getting banned for using this keyboard on Ladder.
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On June 10 2011 01:34 Samhax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 01:25 Jibba wrote:On June 10 2011 01:25 Chinchillin wrote:
Nice slanderous title The title is the exact situation. Regardless of whether Blizzard does it too, Grubby is promoting a way to cheat in SC2. The counterarguments about Blizzard are just a red herring (although as I said before, Blizzard's actions are dubious as well.) For me the right title would be Grubby promotes Keyboards with macro in sc2, is it right? Then we can discuss about macros in competitive play, casual play, the ToS, Blizzard, etc. This title is clearly unfair for him.
you dont get it.
Macros = cheating
If you play any game on battle net (1. or 2.) and use macro keys like he explain, you are cheating.
So the title is total objective and fair. He explain how to cheat. this is not a opinion or something to discuss this is the fact. All whats left to discuss is: if cheating is ok or not and if this video is an
confession that he cheats
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On June 10 2011 01:34 Samhax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 01:25 Jibba wrote:On June 10 2011 01:25 Chinchillin wrote:
Nice slanderous title The title is the exact situation. Regardless of whether Blizzard does it too, Grubby is promoting a way to cheat in SC2. The counterarguments about Blizzard are just a red herring (although as I said before, Blizzard's actions are dubious as well.) For me the right title would be Grubby promotes Keyboards with macro in sc2, is it right? Then we can discuss about macros in competitive play, casual play, the ToS, Blizzard, etc. This title is clearly unfair for him.
He's not just showing off keyboards. This isn't Rotty or someone saying "I use a Blackwidow." He's actually showing and explaining the different SC2 production/control macros. He's basically selling the software package more than the keyboard itself.
For those who didn't watch far into the video, one of the macros:
Starts production on X numbers of units, rallies them to a specific location, while also grabbing two other control groups of units and pointing them to that location and combining them into a single group.
That's (in this case it was 6 marines) 12+ actions combined into 2 actions, macro button and location click.
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Wow Steelseries are so stupid, did they not bothering doing any research before wasting $$ on this advert?
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I lol'ed hard in the sandwich part xD
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(edited out my response till i read through the entire thread)
my point overall though is that unless a keyboard is able to presicely click your screen this doesnt do as much as people think. there wont be any silver players that beat diamond players because of macros and there will probably no masters players that use macros regularly as your intentionally slowing down your improvement in this game for a macro advantage.
if one diamond player beat the other with keyboard macros, and they both played the same amount for the next 6 months the one with a regular keyboard would probably be the better of the 2 after 6 months and would win keyboard or not.
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There is more games then SC2 and you can play them all with this keyboard!
They only used grubby(because he is e-famous) and sc2 just to show what you can do, not what you should do!
duh?
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I wonder if other players who are sponsored by Steel Series were approached to endorse this keyboard as well. Perhaps they can chime in and skeldark nice sig, but you might want to add a few more like "all-in" ;o
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i don't get why people care. at the professional level no one gives two flying shits, sorry for the language but it is true. Nearly all players at the professional level already have enough apm to do what they desire/fits their style of play. Yes, for bronze-plat players this could be an advantage, but honestly why does it matter? They took time from practicing to learn this new setup, therefore, you have practiced that much more than them, having better overall mechanics. Its not like it does anything that micros/reacts for you, it is simply pressing several keys rapidly. Ya, it is unfair but "good" players won't be using such devices so it is mainly a non-problem imo. Furthermore, in the end it will only hurt the person using it.
As for steelseries, I highly doubt that they knew it was against the EULA of blizzard and most likely will drop the add.
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this is not cheating, and alot of keyboards do that. Im pretty sure noone at high level uses such things anyway and it wouldnt change much. Idk why ppl are complaining about this
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Sc2 mechanics is so easy anyway so this keyboard will not give any big advantage. It will just hinder your flexibility since you have to play in a way that fits your macros and not the game itself.
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On June 10 2011 01:38 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 01:34 Samhax wrote:On June 10 2011 01:25 Jibba wrote:On June 10 2011 01:25 Chinchillin wrote:
Nice slanderous title The title is the exact situation. Regardless of whether Blizzard does it too, Grubby is promoting a way to cheat in SC2. The counterarguments about Blizzard are just a red herring (although as I said before, Blizzard's actions are dubious as well.) For me the right title would be Grubby promotes Keyboards with macro in sc2, is it right? Then we can discuss about macros in competitive play, casual play, the ToS, Blizzard, etc. This title is clearly unfair for him. He's not just showing off keyboards. This isn't Rotty or someone saying "I use a Blackwidow." He's actually showing and explaining the different SC2 production/control macros. He's basically selling the software package more than the keyboard itself.
Yeah, this is exactly what it is. But I don't think we can blame him much for this cos SS sponsors him. However I hope that SS will realize this will do terrible terrible damage for their reputation, and pull the products off the market.
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On June 10 2011 01:31 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 01:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
Does Grubby even know this is cheating? Select didn't know that playing on other people's accounts to raise their ranks was illegal. did grubby install sc2? If he did he would've agreed to the TOS. For something as shady as this the responsibility is his to go back and check that it's allowed.
There's a difference between knowing and should know.
See my previous example with Select.
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On June 10 2011 01:42 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 01:31 Kiante wrote:On June 10 2011 01:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
Does Grubby even know this is cheating? Select didn't know that playing on other people's accounts to raise their ranks was illegal. did grubby install sc2? If he did he would've agreed to the TOS. For something as shady as this the responsibility is his to go back and check that it's allowed. There's a difference between knowing and should know. See my previous example with Select.
Yes, but if he installed the game then he must have reached a point at which he hit "I AGREE" to the terms of use. That means he can no longer say "Oh, I didn't know".
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On June 10 2011 01:42 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 01:38 Jibba wrote:On June 10 2011 01:34 Samhax wrote:On June 10 2011 01:25 Jibba wrote:On June 10 2011 01:25 Chinchillin wrote:
Nice slanderous title The title is the exact situation. Regardless of whether Blizzard does it too, Grubby is promoting a way to cheat in SC2. The counterarguments about Blizzard are just a red herring (although as I said before, Blizzard's actions are dubious as well.) For me the right title would be Grubby promotes Keyboards with macro in sc2, is it right? Then we can discuss about macros in competitive play, casual play, the ToS, Blizzard, etc. This title is clearly unfair for him. He's not just showing off keyboards. This isn't Rotty or someone saying "I use a Blackwidow." He's actually showing and explaining the different SC2 production/control macros. He's basically selling the software package more than the keyboard itself. Yeah, this is exactly what it is. But I don't think we can blame him much for this cos SS sponsors him. However I hope that SS will realize this will do terrible terrible damage for their reputation, and pull the products off the market.
pull their products off the market? You are aware that pretty much any gaming keyboard have the exact same features? Only difference is this video shows you how to use it.
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