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aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
June 09 2011 15:30 GMT
#61
On June 10 2011 00:29 Kira__ wrote:
Razers Starcraft 2 series of hardware have these macros as well

There's nothing wrong with having a keyboard that does macros. Assuming you ever do something other than play sc2, you very well might want to have them. It's saying you should use them in sc2 that's the problem.
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 15:36:48
June 09 2011 15:31 GMT
#62
Edit: After reading the disclaimer, it kinda justifies everything doesn't it?
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
June 09 2011 15:32 GMT
#63
On June 10 2011 00:15 emesen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 00:09 RmpL wrote:
How is using simple keyboard macros cheating?


because it is?

because it was banned since World of Warcraft
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Gnax
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden490 Posts
June 09 2011 15:32 GMT
#64
Why are people defending Grubby? It's not a big deal, but he is responsible for what he does. Nobody is holding a gun to his head in that video.
baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1103 Posts
June 09 2011 15:32 GMT
#65
On June 10 2011 00:28 ihavetofartosis wrote:
Steelseries: Helping you win games you don't deserve.


quite... though I would like Blizzard to make a post addressing this so there is no confusion for us and SS.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 09 2011 15:32 GMT
#66
On June 10 2011 00:15 emesen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 00:09 RmpL wrote:
How is using simple keyboard macros cheating?


because it is?

this post is so full of knowledge i dont know where to begin.

Its cheating because using anything to do more than 1 seperate thing at a time = cheating in blizz ToS

example = 1 button trains 9 marines, instead of you hitting a 9 times thats cheating in blizz ToS
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Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
June 09 2011 15:33 GMT
#67
On June 10 2011 00:24 RmpL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 00:21 Kiante wrote:
Don't know why people think grubby is innocent in this. Its not like its not obvious this wouldn't be allowed in sc2. he read the script, he speaks english. He knew exactly what he was saying. if he's happy enough to say this for money, what happens when someone offers him money to lose games. Really, seems like a pretty simple fucking stepping stone right here.


Thats BS, maybe he shouldnt have done it, but to get to where youre going is bad.

Its not like using those macros will make you a freaking god in this game. It gives you a litle advantage, if at all.

And to tall those Steelseries haters, there are more keyboards out there that let you use Macros besides the one in the video ..

I'm pretty sure that if you said "i'm not promoting that unless you get blizzard to approve it" wouldn't get you fired. stop being stupid
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barkles
Profile Joined May 2010
United States285 Posts
June 09 2011 15:33 GMT
#68
On June 10 2011 00:29 aristarchus wrote:
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On June 10 2011 00:27 barkles wrote:
The thread title is a bit too strongly worded in my opinion. I would bet that Grubby, rather than being approached by Steelseries and asked to do this ad, was contractually obligated by Steelseries (his main sponsor) to film commercials and was probably told that he MUST do the ad, regardless of content. If anything, the title should be "Steelseries promotes cheating?"

If Grubby signed a contract that actually requires him to say literally any words that steelseries ask him to say, then he is incompetent at negotiating his sponsorship agreements and really, really shouldn't be running his own team.

It's maybe worth noting that anyone who posted a tutorial on how to do this on TL would I believe be banned instantly.



....and if Steelseries failed to have something in the contract that required Grubby to demonstrate the capabilities of their gaming peripherals in commercials, then THEY would be incompetent negotiators.
TMOUllrich
Profile Joined February 2011
England59 Posts
June 09 2011 15:34 GMT
#69
I don't get what the problem is when Blizzard itself sell sc2 macro keyboards lol.

Change the thread title.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
June 09 2011 15:35 GMT
#70
Like it was said, there is nothing wrong to promote macro keyboards. You can use the features in Windows (like start multiple programs on a single button) or in other non competitive games, but this is promoting cheating (tutorial on how to use macro options in StarCraft 2, which is illegal in TOS).
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 15:37:46
June 09 2011 15:36 GMT
#71
On June 10 2011 00:32 Gnax wrote:b
Why are people defending Grubby? It's not a big deal, but he is responsible for what he does. Nobody is holding a gun to his head in that video.
Basically this. He's obviously not a malicious cheater but it was a dumb commercial to make and be a part of.

The macros are cheating and he is promoting them. I'll clarify that it's macro cheating, but he's still promoting a form of it.

I think it's at least slightly dubious for Blizzard to sell macro keyboards when they don't allow them in their own games, but at least they don't blueprint the actual macros needed to cheat.
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TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
June 09 2011 15:36 GMT
#72
On June 10 2011 00:33 barkles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 00:29 aristarchus wrote:
On June 10 2011 00:27 barkles wrote:
The thread title is a bit too strongly worded in my opinion. I would bet that Grubby, rather than being approached by Steelseries and asked to do this ad, was contractually obligated by Steelseries (his main sponsor) to film commercials and was probably told that he MUST do the ad, regardless of content. If anything, the title should be "Steelseries promotes cheating?"

If Grubby signed a contract that actually requires him to say literally any words that steelseries ask him to say, then he is incompetent at negotiating his sponsorship agreements and really, really shouldn't be running his own team.

It's maybe worth noting that anyone who posted a tutorial on how to do this on TL would I believe be banned instantly.



....and if Steelseries failed to have something in the contract that required Grubby to demonstrate the capabilities of their gaming peripherals in commercials, then THEY would be incompetent negotiators.


well the commercial definitely does not have the intended effect so they are to some degree incompetent... depending on the audience they want to reach the negative reaction to it might be more than made up for by the increased attention it gets from the outcry but I am pretty sure there is some discussions in their marketing department right now.
Mateo0
Profile Joined August 2010
France112 Posts
June 09 2011 15:36 GMT
#73
Damn I love grubby ... and I don't agree when people say "It's not grubby, it's steelseries" I mean come on, he's the one presenting it, and he knows what he's doing....

What a fail move by both side ...
m4553 always in my heart.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
June 09 2011 15:37 GMT
#74
On June 10 2011 00:32 Gnax wrote:
Why are people defending Grubby? It's not a big deal, but he is responsible for what he does. Nobody is holding a gun to his head in that video.

or maybe...they were!
[image loading]

you guys didn't catch that bit?
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optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
June 09 2011 15:38 GMT
#75
On June 10 2011 00:30 Sina92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 00:28 optical630 wrote:
grubby probably had to advertise it as he is being sponsored, you think a pro doesnt know whats illegal in a game he plays professionally?


Obviously not, or he would probably have told Steelseries. Based on their replies to the Youtube video they don't even know it is against the ToS to use 3rd party programs or files.


he is being sponsored by steelseries, if he doesnt do what they want him to do, then he may have lost the contract, which he wouldnt want as he would then lose money.
natebreen
Profile Joined June 2011
United States184 Posts
June 09 2011 15:38 GMT
#76
I wish gaming companies would practice more due diligence when considering these kinds of statements.

Aligning yourself against Blizzard isn't the smartest thing ever as we've seen with the korean bw scene managers.
Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 15:40:25
June 09 2011 15:38 GMT
#77
talk about misleading title.

a shit ton of gaming keyboard have macro's. its up to you how to use them.
MagickMan
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia498 Posts
June 09 2011 15:39 GMT
#78
That heat map thing looks pretty cool
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
June 09 2011 15:39 GMT
#79
On June 10 2011 00:09 Ahelvin wrote:
I think Grubby was asked to do a commercial in exchange for some money, and of course he accepted because he is a rational human being.

That being said, it is a major FAIL from Steelseries to promote something that is against Blizzard's ToS not only in tournament, but also in ladder gaming or custom games.

Moral of the story? Grubby made some money, Steelseries' credibility has been hindered, commercial will be removed soon.


That still doesn't justify it. He, as a professional, should know that this is cheating and should not support it in any way...
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Akta
Profile Joined February 2011
447 Posts
June 09 2011 15:40 GMT
#80
Looks like blizzard themselves promote macro keyboards for starcraft 2 so doesn't seem right to hate on Grubby for doing same thing.
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