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On June 10 2011 00:29 Kira__ wrote: Razers Starcraft 2 series of hardware have these macros as well There's nothing wrong with having a keyboard that does macros. Assuming you ever do something other than play sc2, you very well might want to have them. It's saying you should use them in sc2 that's the problem.
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Edit: After reading the disclaimer, it kinda justifies everything doesn't it?
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On June 10 2011 00:15 emesen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:09 RmpL wrote: How is using simple keyboard macros cheating?
because it is? because it was banned since World of Warcraft
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Why are people defending Grubby? It's not a big deal, but he is responsible for what he does. Nobody is holding a gun to his head in that video.
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On June 10 2011 00:28 ihavetofartosis wrote: Steelseries: Helping you win games you don't deserve.
quite... though I would like Blizzard to make a post addressing this so there is no confusion for us and SS.
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On June 10 2011 00:15 emesen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:09 RmpL wrote: How is using simple keyboard macros cheating?
because it is? this post is so full of knowledge i dont know where to begin.
Its cheating because using anything to do more than 1 seperate thing at a time = cheating in blizz ToS
example = 1 button trains 9 marines, instead of you hitting a 9 times thats cheating in blizz ToS
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On June 10 2011 00:24 RmpL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:21 Kiante wrote: Don't know why people think grubby is innocent in this. Its not like its not obvious this wouldn't be allowed in sc2. he read the script, he speaks english. He knew exactly what he was saying. if he's happy enough to say this for money, what happens when someone offers him money to lose games. Really, seems like a pretty simple fucking stepping stone right here. Thats BS, maybe he shouldnt have done it, but to get to where youre going is bad. Its not like using those macros will make you a freaking god in this game. It gives you a litle advantage, if at all. And to tall those Steelseries haters, there are more keyboards out there that let you use Macros besides the one in the video .. I'm pretty sure that if you said "i'm not promoting that unless you get blizzard to approve it" wouldn't get you fired. stop being stupid
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On June 10 2011 00:29 aristarchus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:27 barkles wrote: The thread title is a bit too strongly worded in my opinion. I would bet that Grubby, rather than being approached by Steelseries and asked to do this ad, was contractually obligated by Steelseries (his main sponsor) to film commercials and was probably told that he MUST do the ad, regardless of content. If anything, the title should be "Steelseries promotes cheating?" If Grubby signed a contract that actually requires him to say literally any words that steelseries ask him to say, then he is incompetent at negotiating his sponsorship agreements and really, really shouldn't be running his own team. It's maybe worth noting that anyone who posted a tutorial on how to do this on TL would I believe be banned instantly.
....and if Steelseries failed to have something in the contract that required Grubby to demonstrate the capabilities of their gaming peripherals in commercials, then THEY would be incompetent negotiators.
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I don't get what the problem is when Blizzard itself sell sc2 macro keyboards lol.
Change the thread title.
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Like it was said, there is nothing wrong to promote macro keyboards. You can use the features in Windows (like start multiple programs on a single button) or in other non competitive games, but this is promoting cheating (tutorial on how to use macro options in StarCraft 2, which is illegal in TOS).
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On June 10 2011 00:32 Gnax wrote:b Why are people defending Grubby? It's not a big deal, but he is responsible for what he does. Nobody is holding a gun to his head in that video. Basically this. He's obviously not a malicious cheater but it was a dumb commercial to make and be a part of.
The macros are cheating and he is promoting them. I'll clarify that it's macro cheating, but he's still promoting a form of it.
I think it's at least slightly dubious for Blizzard to sell macro keyboards when they don't allow them in their own games, but at least they don't blueprint the actual macros needed to cheat.
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On June 10 2011 00:33 barkles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:29 aristarchus wrote:On June 10 2011 00:27 barkles wrote: The thread title is a bit too strongly worded in my opinion. I would bet that Grubby, rather than being approached by Steelseries and asked to do this ad, was contractually obligated by Steelseries (his main sponsor) to film commercials and was probably told that he MUST do the ad, regardless of content. If anything, the title should be "Steelseries promotes cheating?" If Grubby signed a contract that actually requires him to say literally any words that steelseries ask him to say, then he is incompetent at negotiating his sponsorship agreements and really, really shouldn't be running his own team. It's maybe worth noting that anyone who posted a tutorial on how to do this on TL would I believe be banned instantly. ....and if Steelseries failed to have something in the contract that required Grubby to demonstrate the capabilities of their gaming peripherals in commercials, then THEY would be incompetent negotiators.
well the commercial definitely does not have the intended effect so they are to some degree incompetent... depending on the audience they want to reach the negative reaction to it might be more than made up for by the increased attention it gets from the outcry but I am pretty sure there is some discussions in their marketing department right now.
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Damn I love grubby ... and I don't agree when people say "It's not grubby, it's steelseries" I mean come on, he's the one presenting it, and he knows what he's doing....
What a fail move by both side ...
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On June 10 2011 00:32 Gnax wrote: Why are people defending Grubby? It's not a big deal, but he is responsible for what he does. Nobody is holding a gun to his head in that video. or maybe...they were!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Oc7wV.png)
you guys didn't catch that bit?
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On June 10 2011 00:30 Sina92 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:28 optical630 wrote: grubby probably had to advertise it as he is being sponsored, you think a pro doesnt know whats illegal in a game he plays professionally? Obviously not, or he would probably have told Steelseries. Based on their replies to the Youtube video they don't even know it is against the ToS to use 3rd party programs or files.
he is being sponsored by steelseries, if he doesnt do what they want him to do, then he may have lost the contract, which he wouldnt want as he would then lose money.
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I wish gaming companies would practice more due diligence when considering these kinds of statements.
Aligning yourself against Blizzard isn't the smartest thing ever as we've seen with the korean bw scene managers.
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talk about misleading title.
a shit ton of gaming keyboard have macro's. its up to you how to use them.
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That heat map thing looks pretty cool
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On June 10 2011 00:09 Ahelvin wrote: I think Grubby was asked to do a commercial in exchange for some money, and of course he accepted because he is a rational human being.
That being said, it is a major FAIL from Steelseries to promote something that is against Blizzard's ToS not only in tournament, but also in ladder gaming or custom games.
Moral of the story? Grubby made some money, Steelseries' credibility has been hindered, commercial will be removed soon.
That still doesn't justify it. He, as a professional, should know that this is cheating and should not support it in any way...
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Looks like blizzard themselves promote macro keyboards for starcraft 2 so doesn't seem right to hate on Grubby for doing same thing.
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