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There is just one thing I can say about this thread and this issue:
Lol at American politics. Another embarassment.
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On April 28 2011 04:42 Suisen wrote:
If you are born in Panama, you aren't born in the US. US base or not. You are either born in Panama, or in the US. Not both.
Also, Hawaii is annexed territory. International law says territory can't be acquired through war. Right now it is hard to say that Hawaii is not US territory, but it shouldn't be.
Hawaii belongs to the native people of Hawaii.
Right now, there live a lot of non-natives. Fine. We have to accept that. Give them both equal rights to vote. Same ought to be done eventually with Palestine-Israel.
Just imagine if Obama had been born in a Saudi US base...
What are you talking about? What territories haven't been acquired through war? What about the native people of mainland America?
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On April 28 2011 04:24 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 04:23 Shichibukai wrote:
Funny that the document brands people as "African" or "Caucasian". What's the term for their kid? And what if that kid has a child with an "Asian" person? I have no problem with those who want to divide people into "races" while talking, chatting informally etc, but to have it documented on a birth certificate? ^^ Weird country. Holy shit you don't do this? lol. And someone who has 1 parent white and 1 black is black. And same if Asian.
Why would we do this? Makes no sense.
On April 28 2011 04:44 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 04:32 Shichibukai wrote:On April 28 2011 04:24 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 28 2011 04:23 Shichibukai wrote:
Funny that the document brands people as "African" or "Caucasian". What's the term for their kid? And what if that kid has a child with an "Asian" person? I have no problem with those who want to divide people into "races" while talking, chatting informally etc, but to have it documented on a birth certificate? ^^ Weird country. Holy shit you don't do this? lol. And someone who has 1 parent white and 1 black is black. And same if Asian. No, we don't do it. In fact if I were to ask a fellow swede who has immigrated or has foreign parents what his "race" is, he would probably get very offended and brand me a racist. And if someone were to ask me, I sure as hell wouldn't say Caucasian, I would give them a confused look and say "What?". ^_^ But to continue on the child question. Let's jump forward 10 generations, suddenly the offspring looks just as white as any "caucasian" kid, but since one of his ancestors were of african race, the whole bloodline is branded as such forever? ^^ Plus, what about situations where you got ancestors from all over the place, surely there's people with a mix of 5 different races in the USA, what do their birth certificates say? ;> Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious. knowing the demographics of a country is important for a variety of reasons, which is why it's done.
Uhm, name 5. I'd be surprised if you found one that I would find convincing. And you can determine a countrys demographics with other means just as easily if you find necessary, you don't have to put it on the birth certificate.
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On April 28 2011 04:54 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 04:24 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 28 2011 04:23 Shichibukai wrote:
Funny that the document brands people as "African" or "Caucasian". What's the term for their kid? And what if that kid has a child with an "Asian" person? I have no problem with those who want to divide people into "races" while talking, chatting informally etc, but to have it documented on a birth certificate? ^^ Weird country. Holy shit you don't do this? lol. And someone who has 1 parent white and 1 black is black. And same if Asian. Why would we do this? Makes no sense. Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 04:44 Hawk wrote:On April 28 2011 04:32 Shichibukai wrote:On April 28 2011 04:24 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 28 2011 04:23 Shichibukai wrote:
Funny that the document brands people as "African" or "Caucasian". What's the term for their kid? And what if that kid has a child with an "Asian" person? I have no problem with those who want to divide people into "races" while talking, chatting informally etc, but to have it documented on a birth certificate? ^^ Weird country. Holy shit you don't do this? lol. And someone who has 1 parent white and 1 black is black. And same if Asian. No, we don't do it. In fact if I were to ask a fellow swede who has immigrated or has foreign parents what his "race" is, he would probably get very offended and brand me a racist. And if someone were to ask me, I sure as hell wouldn't say Caucasian, I would give them a confused look and say "What?". ^_^ But to continue on the child question. Let's jump forward 10 generations, suddenly the offspring looks just as white as any "caucasian" kid, but since one of his ancestors were of african race, the whole bloodline is branded as such forever? ^^ Plus, what about situations where you got ancestors from all over the place, surely there's people with a mix of 5 different races in the USA, what do their birth certificates say? ;> Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious. knowing the demographics of a country is important for a variety of reasons, which is why it's done. Uhm, name 5. I'd be surprised if you found one that I would find convincing. And you can determine a countrys demographics with other means just as easily if you find necessary.
5 second Google search strikes again!
The OMB states that “many federal programs are put into effect based on the race data obtained from the decennial census (i.e., promoting equal employment opportunities; assessing racial disparities in health and environmental risks). Race data are also critical for the basic research behind many policy decisions. States require these data to meet legislative redistricting requirements. The data are needed to monitor compliance with the Voting Rights Act by local jurisdictions."
"Data on ethnic groups are important for putting into effect a number of federal statutes (i.e., enforcing bilingual election rules under the Voting Rights Act; monitoring and enforcing equal employment opportunities under the Civil Rights Act). Data on Ethnic Groups are also needed by local governments to run programs and meet legislative requirements (i.e., identifying segments of the population who may not be receiving medical services under the Public Health Act; evaluating whether financial institutions are meeting the credit needs of minority populations under the Community Reinvestment Act)
Edit: And I know this was about race on the census. Same thing.
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I particularly love the idiotic splitting of hairs between "birth certificate" and "certificate of live birth". That's like saying "a wedge of cheddar cheese" is not "a cheese wedge".
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It would of been funny even if he was not born in the US, like it fucking matters, his term is mostly up anyways.
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On April 28 2011 04:56 eight.BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 04:54 nihlon wrote:On April 28 2011 04:24 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 28 2011 04:23 Shichibukai wrote:
Funny that the document brands people as "African" or "Caucasian". What's the term for their kid? And what if that kid has a child with an "Asian" person? I have no problem with those who want to divide people into "races" while talking, chatting informally etc, but to have it documented on a birth certificate? ^^ Weird country. Holy shit you don't do this? lol. And someone who has 1 parent white and 1 black is black. And same if Asian. Why would we do this? Makes no sense. On April 28 2011 04:44 Hawk wrote:On April 28 2011 04:32 Shichibukai wrote:On April 28 2011 04:24 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 28 2011 04:23 Shichibukai wrote:
Funny that the document brands people as "African" or "Caucasian". What's the term for their kid? And what if that kid has a child with an "Asian" person? I have no problem with those who want to divide people into "races" while talking, chatting informally etc, but to have it documented on a birth certificate? ^^ Weird country. Holy shit you don't do this? lol. And someone who has 1 parent white and 1 black is black. And same if Asian. No, we don't do it. In fact if I were to ask a fellow swede who has immigrated or has foreign parents what his "race" is, he would probably get very offended and brand me a racist. And if someone were to ask me, I sure as hell wouldn't say Caucasian, I would give them a confused look and say "What?". ^_^ But to continue on the child question. Let's jump forward 10 generations, suddenly the offspring looks just as white as any "caucasian" kid, but since one of his ancestors were of african race, the whole bloodline is branded as such forever? ^^ Plus, what about situations where you got ancestors from all over the place, surely there's people with a mix of 5 different races in the USA, what do their birth certificates say? ;> Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious. knowing the demographics of a country is important for a variety of reasons, which is why it's done. Uhm, name 5. I'd be surprised if you found one that I would find convincing. And you can determine a countrys demographics with other means just as easily if you find necessary. Google strikes again! Show nested quote +The OMB states that “many federal programs are put into effect based on the race data obtained from the decennial census (i.e., promoting equal employment opportunities; assessing racial disparities in health and environmental risks). Race data are also critical for the basic research behind many policy decisions. States require these data to meet legislative redistricting requirements. The data are needed to monitor compliance with the Voting Rights Act by local jurisdictions."
"Data on ethnic groups are important for putting into effect a number of federal statutes (i.e., enforcing bilingual election rules under the Voting Rights Act; monitoring and enforcing equal employment opportunities under the Civil Rights Act). Data on Ethnic Groups are also needed by local governments to run programs and meet legislative requirements (i.e., identifying segments of the population who may not be receiving medical services under the Public Health Act; evaluating whether financial institutions are meeting the credit needs of minority populations under the Community Reinvestment Act)
That's not very convincing. The question is why you label someone by birth as a certain race. You can easily get a good measure of a country's demographic without that. I have no problem with your system, but I do find it weird and unnecessary. But I don't want to derail this thread too much so I'll just leave it at that.
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I just wanted to know why he just wouldn't release it.... Like why the fuck spend millions of dollars covering it up?
Seems sketchy to me...
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On April 28 2011 04:56 eight.BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 04:54 nihlon wrote:On April 28 2011 04:24 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 28 2011 04:23 Shichibukai wrote:
Funny that the document brands people as "African" or "Caucasian". What's the term for their kid? And what if that kid has a child with an "Asian" person? I have no problem with those who want to divide people into "races" while talking, chatting informally etc, but to have it documented on a birth certificate? ^^ Weird country. Holy shit you don't do this? lol. And someone who has 1 parent white and 1 black is black. And same if Asian. Why would we do this? Makes no sense. On April 28 2011 04:44 Hawk wrote:On April 28 2011 04:32 Shichibukai wrote:On April 28 2011 04:24 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 28 2011 04:23 Shichibukai wrote:
Funny that the document brands people as "African" or "Caucasian". What's the term for their kid? And what if that kid has a child with an "Asian" person? I have no problem with those who want to divide people into "races" while talking, chatting informally etc, but to have it documented on a birth certificate? ^^ Weird country. Holy shit you don't do this? lol. And someone who has 1 parent white and 1 black is black. And same if Asian. No, we don't do it. In fact if I were to ask a fellow swede who has immigrated or has foreign parents what his "race" is, he would probably get very offended and brand me a racist. And if someone were to ask me, I sure as hell wouldn't say Caucasian, I would give them a confused look and say "What?". ^_^ But to continue on the child question. Let's jump forward 10 generations, suddenly the offspring looks just as white as any "caucasian" kid, but since one of his ancestors were of african race, the whole bloodline is branded as such forever? ^^ Plus, what about situations where you got ancestors from all over the place, surely there's people with a mix of 5 different races in the USA, what do their birth certificates say? ;> Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious. knowing the demographics of a country is important for a variety of reasons, which is why it's done. Uhm, name 5. I'd be surprised if you found one that I would find convincing. And you can determine a countrys demographics with other means just as easily if you find necessary. 5 second Google search strikes again! Show nested quote +The OMB states that “many federal programs are put into effect based on the race data obtained from the decennial census (i.e., promoting equal employment opportunities; assessing racial disparities in health and environmental risks). Race data are also critical for the basic research behind many policy decisions. States require these data to meet legislative redistricting requirements. The data are needed to monitor compliance with the Voting Rights Act by local jurisdictions."
"Data on ethnic groups are important for putting into effect a number of federal statutes (i.e., enforcing bilingual election rules under the Voting Rights Act; monitoring and enforcing equal employment opportunities under the Civil Rights Act). Data on Ethnic Groups are also needed by local governments to run programs and meet legislative requirements (i.e., identifying segments of the population who may not be receiving medical services under the Public Health Act; evaluating whether financial institutions are meeting the credit needs of minority populations under the Community Reinvestment Act) Edit: And I know this was about race on the census. Same thing.
Census about race are illegal in France too.
Problem is that "race" doesn't even mean anything. Most of the time they are basically the exact same thing as the skin color.
Now someone explain me why a black person established in France for 6 generations would be classified as "black african" and me, who is a second generation immigrate with 10 nationalities in my blood is supposed to be a "mainstream" caucasian white French.
"Race" means nothing ans says nothing. Ask about the country of origin, the mothher tongue, anything, but this skin color based falaciously scientific notion is basically complete bullshit.
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On April 28 2011 05:04 Keitzer wrote:
I just wanted to know why he just wouldn't release it.... Like why the fuck spend millions of dollars covering it up?
Seems sketchy to me...
Because surely somewhere someone has certified that he fulfilled the requirements to be elected president of the united states of bureaucr...america?
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On April 28 2011 04:54 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 04:24 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 28 2011 04:23 Shichibukai wrote:
Funny that the document brands people as "African" or "Caucasian". What's the term for their kid? And what if that kid has a child with an "Asian" person? I have no problem with those who want to divide people into "races" while talking, chatting informally etc, but to have it documented on a birth certificate? ^^ Weird country. Holy shit you don't do this? lol. And someone who has 1 parent white and 1 black is black. And same if Asian. Why would we do this? Makes no sense.
Because we have affirmative action programs etc.
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What the...
I... What... Where?
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I'm stumped.
I think I'll just drift into my little happy place, where politicians concentrate on politics, and where there are no power-crazed liars making ridiculous accusations and are prud of being called out, where the president of the USA doesn't have to release his birth certificate to prove he is a freakin' american and where the cake is never a lie.
That the president even had to consider releasing this is just beyond ridiculous. He IS the president right? I mean, they check my origins if I have to join the military, I'd think the procedure is a bit more thorough when appointed the national leader no?
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On April 28 2011 01:33 WaZuP wrote:
In my opinion he better ignored those rumors about his birth because clearly the ones who made this up will still believe in it , so why fuel the fire ?!?!?!
on a side note since im not from the US: how big was this conspiracy theorie in the united states just some gag or did it fill the media for weeks ?
Of course it was in the media almost every single day for the past few months. If the media actually talked about solving problems or trying to help eachother instead of fighting we might actually do something good for this country. Of course, then they would get lower ratings and make less money. No one wants that.
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On April 28 2011 01:48 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +Donald Trump says
"I'd like to know how does he get into Harvard, how does he get into Colombia if he isn't a very good student," Trump said, asking why the president doesn't release his college records from Occidental College.
"If he wants to release it that's fine, if he doesn't want to release it that's fine too. But the word is he wasn't a very good student," Trump added.
rofl what?
please release that letter you recieved from you mother, word is she messed up the grammar in there and obviously is a bad mother!
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American politics are so funny 
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It's so embarrassing that he has to satisfy all the idiots who were retarded enough to think it was fake. Talk about grasping for straws.
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Just imagine how much the typical Limbaugh/Beck/Fox argument is going to change when they decide they want Schwarzenegger as President.
My disgust for this country grows on a daily basis.
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On April 28 2011 05:08 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 04:54 nihlon wrote:On April 28 2011 04:24 _Darwin_ wrote:On April 28 2011 04:23 Shichibukai wrote:
Funny that the document brands people as "African" or "Caucasian". What's the term for their kid? And what if that kid has a child with an "Asian" person? I have no problem with those who want to divide people into "races" while talking, chatting informally etc, but to have it documented on a birth certificate? ^^ Weird country. Holy shit you don't do this? lol. And someone who has 1 parent white and 1 black is black. And same if Asian. Why would we do this? Makes no sense. Because we have affirmative action programs etc.
Not many countries besides the US have anything equivalent of affirmative action. Personally I find it a pretty broken way to deal with social problems.
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What I don't get is: Why is it even mandatory for the president to be born in the US in the first place? I mean, if enough people think you would make a good president, why should it matter where you were born?
Is there something obvious I'm missing?
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