EPTIf Obama (and us, I suppose) had been dealing with people reasonable enough to be appeased by this, they wouldn't have had to be appeased.
President Obama Releases Long Form Birth Cert. - Page 9
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
If Obama (and us, I suppose) had been dealing with people reasonable enough to be appeased by this, they wouldn't have had to be appeased. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:37 Omnipresent wrote: Can we talk about the politics of this release? First, I want to say I never doubted his citizenship. That being said, a lot of people do, including several mainstream republican candidates for president (Trump and Huckabee have claimed it outright, and others have hinted at it). This issue was shaping up to be a pretty significant part of the republican primary process. Candidates looking to get the republican nomination would likely have at least flirted with birther ideas, if not embraced them fully. This means the eventual nominee will be pretty far right, and would look pretty foolish if he campaigned in part on birtherism, which most Americans thought was a little crazy to begin with. Wouldn't it have been smarter (politically) to release this during either A) the republican primary season or B) during the general election? I just don't see any reason to do it now. If he would have waited, there were real political gains to be made. Releasing it during the primaries could seriously hinder any birther candidates among mainstream voters. If there's a candidate during the primaries that looks too strong in the general, but is also a birther, Obama could have released his long-form birth certificate in order to prevent that candidate from reaching the general election to begin with. The same holds true with the general election. If a birther gets the republican nomination, Obama could have released his long-form birth certificate then in order to damage that candidate among moderate voters. The far-right gave Obama a huge political weapon here, and he squandered it. I think this was poorly planned timing. I think you've missed the clever thing, Obama can't be accused of political games. He has come out and put it to rest, before anything is on the line, like he should do.... he is saying "this isn't politics, I have real work to do". He just picked up a whole bunch of independent voters right there, they don't like partisan politics and games. And in reality, its not politics.... its school yard games. Not allowing it to become part of the debate is the best thing he could do. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:42 emythrel wrote: I think you've missed the clever thing, Obama can't be accused of political games. He has come out and put it to rest, before anything is on the line, like he should do.... he is saying "this isn't politics, I have real work to do". He just picked up a whole bunch of independent voters right there, they don't like partisan politics and games. And in reality, its not politics.... its school yard games. Not allowing it to become part of the debate is the best thing he could do. Alternatively, you can join club 'He's printed it now to distract us from the FED discussions!!!!' | ||
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ket-
97 Posts
On April 28 2011 01:37 synapse wrote: I think it's a little different when one of the main proponents of the birther argument is one of the highest-polling republican presidential candidates.... Senators don't need to be born within the US, but Presidents do. I'd refer you to yesterday's Daily Show showing the past "highest polling presidential candidates" 18 months before the elections. These polls are steaming piles of horse shit that have absolutely no meaning whatsoever. | ||
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TheFrankOne
United States667 Posts
"Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof." This means that Arizona cannot make a law that demands proof above and beyond the minimum federal requirements for presidential elections. So President Obama would have been on the ballot in Arizona, if they had passed the law following a short court case, or any other state's ballot that passes a similar law. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:44 Bibdy wrote: Alternatively, you can join club 'He's printed it now to distract us from the FED discussions!!!!' Bernanke is shaking in his boots. So much for Mr. Confidence 'I can plan and control the entire economy' Keynesianism non-sense. | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:47 Archerofaiur wrote: Can we please get back to the important things like coming up with Blizzard-related conspiracy theories? Activision is the illuminati who are reptilian. | ||
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:45 ket- wrote: I'd refer you to yesterday's Daily Show showing the past "highest polling presidential candidates" 18 months before the elections. These polls are steaming piles of horse shit that have absolutely no meaning whatsoever. Huckabee was a serious candidate in 2008 (maybe again in 2012), and he's a birther. A significant portion of the most recent class of republican congressmen are birthers. The leadership is afraid to clear the air. Their responses are cryptic at best. "I have to take his word for it." Conversely, 9/11 truth was always a fringe movement. Democratic senators and congressmen avoided it like the plague, and it would have been the kiss of death for any presidential hopeful. You're creating a false equivalency here. There are massive differences that should be apparent. | ||
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AtTheFuneral
United States137 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
Can't believe people would actually elect candidates that only qualify at slinging mud around. | ||
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mcht
Germany201 Posts
[x] who the f cares :D | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:51 Omnipresent wrote: Huckabee was a serious candidate in 2008 (maybe again in 2012), and he's a birther. A significant portion of the most recent class of republican congressmen are birthers. The leadership is afraid to clear the air. Their responses are cryptic at best. "I have to take his word for it." Conversely, 9/11 truth was always a fringe movement. Democratic senators and congressmen avoided it like the plague, and it would have been the kiss of death for any presidential hopeful. You're creating a false equivalency here. There are massive differences that should be apparent. Hmmmm... what about Senator Gravel? I'm just messin'. In any event, could we actually get back to substantive issues like ahem *Fed Press Conference* & all its attendent financing of Big-Gov? | ||
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:42 emythrel wrote: I think you've missed the clever thing, Obama can't be accused of political games. He has come out and put it to rest, before anything is on the line, like he should do.... he is saying "this isn't politics, I have real work to do". He just picked up a whole bunch of independent voters right there, they don't like partisan politics and games. And in reality, its not politics.... its school yard games. Not allowing it to become part of the debate is the best thing he could do. I have 2 points. 1) I don't know that the birther opposition is clever enough to accuse him of playing games with his birth certificate. Imagine this. The birther issue gets brought up during a debate (it would have barring this release, and still might). The next morning, Obama comes out with his long-form birth certificate and a statement. "Can't we stop arguing about petty things and focus on the issues." 2) If you think that approach still looks too political, there's no reason not to wait a few months and let the issue build up first. Releasing it at the end of the year still puts it 2 months ahead of the Iowa caucus. By that time, many candidates would be tainted with the issue, and it still wouldn't look political. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
-Republicans, after claiming Obama wasn't born in America. I'd be pretty annoyed if I was in Obama's shoes. Obama doesn't even want to waste his time dealing with this issue and when he does, there are people criticisizing him for "wasting his time" or calling his birth certificate fake. -_____- | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7992 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:34 Zorkmid wrote: What a country. The funny thing is that this is not going to appease the "birthers" at all. Nothing will. When you have to deal with xenophobic fear and completely irrational paranoia, the best is just to refuse the debate. I don't think Obama and the White House should even answer to theses morons. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
POTUS: I can't get the networks to break in on all kinds of other discussions. I was just back there listening to Chuck, he was saying "it's amazing that he's not going to be talking about national security." I would not have the networks breaking in if I was talking about that, Chuck, and you know it. Idiot beltway press == pwned. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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OrchidThief
Denmark2298 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:53 mcht wrote: option 5 is missing [x] who the f cares :D Man I was gonna write that exact thing. High five! | ||
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eight.BiT
United States240 Posts
On April 28 2011 03:51 AtTheFuneral wrote: I really don't understand though why Obama didn't clear this up way earlier. I mean perhaps you could say he's doing this for his prospective reelection, but it would have so much more sense to just clarify everything as soon as he's in office. I personally believe it's hard to trust a president who doesn't want people looking at his birth certificate or where he went to college. You didn't see 10 fucking people post this same shit as you? Why don't you actually read the thread you're posting in and continue the conversation from the past 10 times someone said this, instead of voicing your new and refreshing stance on the issue that adds nothing. | ||
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